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7 hours ago, Patrick Bamford said:

 

Tried saying that before we got him but many argued because they were desperate to see Sarri out without fully understanding the comprehension of appointing another novice particularly after how Villas-Boas did here, who again like Frank had prior ties to the club albeit different roles and different levels.

The club inevitably didn’t intend in committing to Sarri towards the end despite the fact we were unbeaten in like 17 of the last 20 games and were starting to look a bit better as a team. Lets not pretend their was any chance the board were going to fight to keep him so the club gambled with Frank which resulted in losing another season and a half to make real progress really (although the youngsters are the only positive out of this as well as the signings we made this summer despite their mixed returns).

Heres hoping TT is here for the long haul. And by long hall, I mean over 18 months. Thats the magic number in management now in terms of spells in charge so lets hope he can get a new deal and keeps building on what he’s already done in a short space od time. 

I think he’s the right man and the club should give him a new deal at the end of the season, particularly if he gets a trophy win. 

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I can't actually believe how well coached we are. Puts it in further perspective when you see the garbage United and Arsenal are spewing. I love the fact Frank isn't so stubborn to try and do it

Very confused, can only assume the ones being somewhat negative did not watch the game? Aside from Dave and Zouma, I thought we played really well against the European Champions. I was shocked at time

Our pressing game was superb, and made all the difference today! 4-3-3 with Mount and Havertz to harass opponents and Kante to sweep up behind...that's the way to go. And we have two bombing

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On 23/04/2021 at 23:22, OneMoSalah said:

Tried saying that before we got him but many argued because they were desperate to see Sarri out without fully understanding the comprehension of appointing another novice particularly after how Villas-Boas did here, who again like Frank had prior ties to the club albeit different roles and different levels.

The club inevitably didn’t intend in committing to Sarri towards the end despite the fact we were unbeaten in like 17 of the last 20 games and were starting to look a bit better as a team. Lets not pretend their was any chance the board were going to fight to keep him so the club gambled with Frank which resulted in losing another season and a half to make real progress really (although the youngsters are the only positive out of this as well as the signings we made this summer despite their mixed returns).

Heres hoping TT is here for the long haul. And by long hall, I mean over 18 months. Thats the magic number in management now in terms of spells in charge so lets hope he can get a new deal and keeps building on what he’s already done in a short space od time. 

I think he’s the right man and the club should give him a new deal at the end of the season, particularly if he gets a trophy win. 

I usually agree that i wouldn't want us to appoint a legend as a manager mainly because they'll have too much pull with the fanbase when things go south as was proved but on this occasion i felt it was worth the shot. With the transfer ban we needed someone a little less selfish with squad building, if Frank turned out to be the next big manager in the process then amazing, if (as it turned out) he couldn't get us back to around the top himself he leaves a top squad for someone that can.

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I am surprised a bit he gets another PL job so soon. You can bet he will take some Chelsea players on loan. Conor probably.

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8 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

I am surprised a bit he gets another PL job so soon. You can bet he will take some Chelsea players on loan. Conor probably.

His reputation as a player and his nationality will always be in his favor when it comes to getting jobs in the Premier League. 

If his playing style at Derby and here is anything to go by, then it could be a trainwreck at Palace considering they have so many old players there and are seemingly stuck in their pragmatic ways. Could end up like Frank de Boer's tenure. 

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3 hours ago, Jas said:

His reputation as a player and his nationality will always be in his favor when it comes to getting jobs in the Premier League. 

If his playing style at Derby and here is anything to go by, then it could be a trainwreck at Palace considering they have so many old players there and are seemingly stuck in their pragmatic ways. Could end up like Frank de Boer's tenure. 

It may actually work out for him as an underdog. For all his greenness he did overarchieve all in all last season it's when the pressure cranked up he crumbled.

It's weird thinking he may be a plucky underdog type manager given he was the total opposite as a player but still.

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30 minutes ago, Tomo said:

It may actually work out for him as an underdog. For all his greenness he did overarchieve all in all last season it's when the pressure cranked up he crumbled.

It's weird thinking he may be a plucky underdog type manager given he was the total opposite as a player but still.

Hard to be an underdog type of a player when you are the best midfielder of your generation. He was a plucky type in his west ham days tho.

The palace job might be a decent opportunity.After all he started the rebuild with us and did very well integrating younger players. CP are in a similar positon. the difference is that he will neer be that much in the spotlight and under pressure no matter who they buy. Even if they make a couple of 30,40m signings and only just avoid relegation he will not get fired solely for that.

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1 hour ago, Tomo said:

It may actually work out for him as an underdog. For all his greenness he did overarchieve all in all last season it's when the pressure cranked up he crumbled.

It's weird thinking he may be a plucky underdog type manager given he was the total opposite as a player but still.

There's no point in being the underdog if he can't get the players to buy into his methods. Palace will no doubt look to get younger players in but their squad will primarily still consist of old, experienced players. Can Lampard get them to move away from the pragmatic style to a more open, expansive style? Can those old, experienced players play the way he wants to? If Lampard is not careful, he could easily run into the same problems that Scolari and AVB ran into here. They tried to change the style but it wasn't successful because the players in the squad then were already so used to playing in a certain way and couldn't change to a different style. 

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If Frank cannot adjust his gameplay to the abilities of his players, he has no business being a top level manager. I hope his reflection with his time here makes it so he is more in contact with struggling players.

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5 hours ago, Jas said:

Palace considering they have so many old players there

Nearly all their players will be out of contract - will look a completely different squad next season

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10 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Nearly all their players will be out of contract - will look a completely different squad next season

Yeah. A list of players who have their contracts up at the end of the season:

Cahill
McArthur
McCarthy
Hennessey
Sakho
Benteke
van Aanholt
Henderson
Townsend
Dann
Kelly
Clyne
Ward
Wickham
Schlupp

 

Some will still obviously re-sign but releasing even most of them will free up massive space in their wage budget and they can get rid of older injury-ridden players who are still on big wages. Everything in their re-build depends on whether they have the money to actually buy new players or if they're stuck hoping to strike gold with other clubs' leftover free agents and loan players. Speaking of loan players, if Frank goes to Palace I wouldn't mind sending Gallagher there next season.

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52 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Nearly all their players will be out of contract - will look a completely different squad next season

I know but I doubt they are just gonna let everyone go. They would probably keep at least half of them. 

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11 minutes ago, Jas said:

I know but I doubt they are just gonna let everyone go. They would probably keep at least half of them. 

Obviously not, but from the 15 names on the list if they release even half it will free up a ton of wages.

For example they have Sakho, Kelly, Clyne, Dann, McCarthy, McArthur and Wickham who reportedly earn a total of around £450K/wk and have started around 60 games between them in the league so averaging less than ten games each. While some of them have been regulars in the past they are not considered valuable squad members anymore but they still take up a big chunk of their wage budget that could be spent a lot better on some more important players.

Also seeing as he's scored a total of two league goals this season they're unfortunately not going to take up their option to keep Batshuayi so that's another £90K/wk freed up for Palace. And while Christian Benteke, their highest paid player after Zaha, has had a sort of resurgence to form after years of being a total waste of space (6 league goals in last three seasons before this one) I wouldn't exactly be willing to re-sign him on those sort of wages again if I was calling the shots at Palace so there goes another £120K//wk.

The ones I could see Palace trying to keep are Ward, Van Aanholt, Schlupp and Townsend. Perhaps Cahill too for experience alone if they're otherwise going for a younger and more inexperienced squad. That's still around £700K/wk saved on their wage bill if they release the rest so they should have plenty of resources available for a squad re-build, that's assuming their finances are not totally screwed over COVID.

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Contract expiring or not, the players should give their absolute everything for Roy Hodgson in the last match. I don't even know who they play but they must sweat blood for him. 😇😇

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I will be happy if   Crystal Palace get Lampard . He deserve 2nd chance . 

will make them an attractive team like Derby County 

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4 hours ago, Jas said:

There's no point in being the underdog if he can't get the players to buy into his methods. Palace will no doubt look to get younger players in but their squad will primarily still consist of old, experienced players. Can Lampard get them to move away from the pragmatic style to a more open, expansive style? Can those old, experienced players play the way he wants to? If Lampard is not careful, he could easily run into the same problems that Scolari and AVB ran into here. They tried to change the style but it wasn't successful because the players in the squad then were already so used to playing in a certain way and couldn't change to a different style. 

They have actually got a unique situation with so many players contracts running out at big wages, it will be a chance for Frank to bring in a few of 'his' type of player.

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Whoever takes over at Palace will have a huge job on. Look how many folk are out of contract. They wont resign absolutely everybody. Some need to go. Plus whats the budget gonna be? Steve Parish wont be giving anyone a fuck tonne to spend on 6,7 or 8 very good new players to beef up a thin squad. Be a dangerous job for someone with 18 months experience as a football manager in the top flight. Good luck if he takes it but brave as well.

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3 hours ago, Jype said:

Obviously not, but from the 15 names on the list if they release even half it will free up a ton of wages.

For example they have Sakho, Kelly, Clyne, Dann, McCarthy, McArthur and Wickham who reportedly earn a total of around £450K/wk and have started around 60 games between them in the league so averaging less than ten games each. While some of them have been regulars in the past they are not considered valuable squad members anymore but they still take up a big chunk of their wage budget that could be spent a lot better on some more important players.

Also seeing as he's scored a total of two league goals this season they're unfortunately not going to take up their option to keep Batshuayi so that's another £90K/wk freed up for Palace. And while Christian Benteke, their highest paid player after Zaha, has had a sort of resurgence to form after years of being a total waste of space (6 league goals in last three seasons before this one) I wouldn't exactly be willing to re-sign him on those sort of wages again if I was calling the shots at Palace so there goes another £120K//wk.

The ones I could see Palace trying to keep are Ward, Van Aanholt, Schlupp and Townsend. Perhaps Cahill too for experience alone if they're otherwise going for a younger and more inexperienced squad. That's still around £700K/wk saved on their wage bill if they release the rest so they should have plenty of resources available for a squad re-build, that's assuming their finances are not totally screwed over COVID.

According to The Athletic, Van Aanholt will be leaving Palace this summer. Sakho, Hennessey, McCarthy and Wickham expected to follow suit as well. Batshuayi will definitely return to us. Cahill has been offered a new one-year deal while Ward and Dann have held talks over deals on reduced terms. Benteke's and Townsend's future still up in the air. Not sure about the others.

50 minutes ago, Tomo said:

They have actually got a unique situation with so many players contracts running out at big wages, it will be a chance for Frank to bring in a few of 'his' type of player.

That is true but how many players will he be able to bring in? How much say will he get in the transfers?

Given the rebuilding job at hand, won't be surprised if Palace opt for a more experienced head than Lampard. Am sure it's not lost on Palace what happened with Lampard this summer when he got new players into the squad. Last thing they would want is the De Boer nightmare again.

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