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9th in the table.

3 points behind Spurs in 4th and have played a game more.

Also 3 points behind City in 5th and have played 2 games more.

4 minutes ago, Jason said:

This is basically us right now...

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I can't actually believe how well coached we are. Puts it in further perspective when you see the garbage United and Arsenal are spewing. I love the fact Frank isn't so stubborn to try and do it

Very confused, can only assume the ones being somewhat negative did not watch the game? Aside from Dave and Zouma, I thought we played really well against the European Champions. I was shocked at time

Our pressing game was superb, and made all the difference today! 4-3-3 with Mount and Havertz to harass opponents and Kante to sweep up behind...that's the way to go. And we have two bombing

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6 minutes ago, Jason said:

9th in the table.

3 points behind Spurs in 4th and have played a game more.

Also 3 points behind City in 5th and have played 2 games more.

 

Looking at the top 6..somehow we have to get into that. I dont see how! Teams have blips but we have a blip at the same time.

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Lose to Fulham and he will be on the brink.   Beat Fulham, Leicester and Wolves and we will go on a run IMO. He will be fine at that point     Beat Fulham, lose to Leicester and Wolves i think he will be massively under pressure then.   Draw against Fulham?  Not good either.   In other words he needs a few wins on the bounce to even be safe. 

Before we play Fulham next Friday.    Utd will have played, City, Everton, Arsenal; and Villa Spurs play each other.  Points will be gained ahead of us, Fulham game is must win

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Since comparing Lampard with Klopp is a common thing, did a minor digging on how Klopp progressed each season at Liverpool (+ only key signings highlighted):

*took over in October*
2015/16 - 8th (60 pts) + League Cup Final + Europa League Final

*bought Matip, Mane, Wijnaldum*
2016/17 - 4th (76 pts)

*bought Salah, Robertson, Van Dijk (January)*
2017/18 - 4th (75 pts) + Champions League Final

*bought Fabinho, Alisson*
2018/19 - 2nd (97 pts) + Champions League Win

2019/20 - 1st (99 pts)

Lampard bought Mendy, Silva, Chilwell, Ziyech, Havertz and Werner in the summer and unless we go on some sort of crazy winning run, we look on course for another finish between 60-70 points again or maybe even lower than that! Plus based on current form, it doesn't seem likely we'll go far in the Champions League either while another FA Cup run is no guarantee. We have never gone 2 straight seasons without winning a trophy under Roman. 

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Out of these two options what would you prefer at Fulham? Another drab performance but we win 1-0 through an Oli header or we draw 2-2 but play excellently going forward, create a lot and lose two points due to wastefulness in front of goal and/or a heroic performance by Areola?

I genuinely think i'd prefer the latter, we need a performance to give us hope going forward even if dropped points accompany it.

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15 minutes ago, Tomo said:

Out of these two options what would you prefer at Fulham? Another drab performance but we win 1-0 through an Oli header or we draw 2-2 but play excellently going forward, create a lot and lose two points due to wastefulness in front of goal and/or a heroic performance by Areola?

I genuinely think i'd prefer the latter, we need a performance to give us hope going forward even if dropped points accompany it.

Oh the latter as well, totally. Scrapping an ugly win would feel like delaying the inevitable. We need progress in our gameplay first. Results would arrive later.

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25 minutes ago, Tomo said:

Out of these two options what would you prefer at Fulham? Another drab performance but we win 1-0 through an Oli header or we draw 2-2 but play excellently going forward, create a lot and lose two points due to wastefulness in front of goal and/or a heroic performance by Areola?

I genuinely think i'd prefer the latter, we need a performance to give us hope going forward even if dropped points accompany it.

Its tough but right now dropping points cannot be an option. Even if it means not changing manager. Or even if a change happens. Everything’s quite tight just now with 5/6 teams all within touching distance but that wont continue for the full duration of the second half of the season. Teams tend to put runs together during the second half of the season because thats when results and positions become much much more meaningful than they are in the first half because its the business end of things.

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30 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

Its tough but right now dropping points cannot be an option. Even if it means not changing manager. Or even if a change happens. Everything’s quite tight just now with 5/6 teams all within touching distance but that wont continue for the full duration of the second half of the season. Teams tend to put runs together during the second half of the season because thats when results and positions become much much more meaningful than they are in the first half because its the business end of things.

Yeah but at the same time as Milan said a shithouse win would just kick the can down the road and probably ultimately see to our top 4 hopes. On current form who are we beating out of Leicester, Wolves and Spurs? Maybe 1 at a push.

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7 hours ago, Tomo said:

Out of these two options what would you prefer at Fulham? Another drab performance but we win 1-0 through an Oli header or we draw 2-2 but play excellently going forward, create a lot and lose two points due to wastefulness in front of goal and/or a heroic performance by Areola?

I genuinely think i'd prefer the latter, we need a performance to give us hope going forward even if dropped points accompany it.

Problem with the latter is that even if we perform well at Fulham - but don't win - there's no guarantee that we would carry on performing well in the subsequent games. We would need a 3, 4, 5 consecutive good performances to give us actual hope. From Lampard's perspective, he needs the wins to buy himself time and do whatever the hell he wants to do (only god knows at this point). Otherwise, he's gone.

If anything, I'd like to see Lampard at least try changing things up - e.g. a change of formation - because whatever he is doing now is definitely not working as well as it did over a month ago. 

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17 hours ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Not even half way thought the season and people are having kittens panicking like big girls. :P Come on, we're better than that...

Mate, I genuinely can't tell if you're taking the piss here?

Liverpool, City, United, Leicester, and Spurs are on course to finish above 70 points. We are on course to finish well below that. We haven't beaten anyone currently above us, and we sit 9th. Add the fact we are getting progressively worse as each game passes with zero signs of progression, how do you genuinely expect us to finish Top 4? Which, you know, was the bare minimum for this season? 

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27 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Mate, I genuinely can't tell if you're taking the piss here?

Liverpool, City, United, Leicester, and Spurs are on course to finish above 70 points. We are on course to finish well below that. We haven't beaten anyone currently above us, and we sit 9th. Add the fact we are getting progressively worse as each game passes with zero signs of progression, how do you genuinely expect us to finish Top 4? Which, you know, was the bare minimum for this season? 

Utd and Arsenal were being given the last rites a couple of weeks ago its a mad season. No point chucking your toys out the pram right now.

Wait and see -theres nothing we can do about it -  -just KBTBFFH like a true Moroccan Blue 

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12 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Utd and Arsenal were being given the last rites a couple of weeks ago its a mad season. No point chucking your toys out the pram right now.

Wait and see -theres nothing we can do about it -  -just KBTBFFH like a true Moroccan Blue 

But United haven't lost since the Arsenal game....which was over 2 months ago. 

Agreed, anything can happen but what evidence suggests we will finish above any one of our rivals when they are all on course to finish higher than us? 

 

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9 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

But United haven't lost since the Arsenal game....which was over 2 months ago. 

Agreed, anything can happen but what evidence suggests we will finish above any one of our rivals when they are all on course to finish higher than us? 

 

Yeah theres not a lot of evidence. Maybe Lampard needs to be sacked - who would you like to see replace him to ensure we get top 4 ?

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20 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Serious question. If the Russian fucked off - and we were mid table Championship team -how many would still be here ? 

As crazy as it might sound, I'd arguably find some of the aspects of supporting the club under less pressure to be successful far more enjoyable.

As great as the league wins and Champions League were, I'm not sure if it was ever better for me than the late 90's where we played great football, but the expectations were far lower so the few trophies we did win felt such a bigger deal.

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8 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Yeah theres not a lot of evidence. Maybe Lampard needs to be sacked - who would you like to see replace him to ensure we get top 4 ?

We have an incredibly talented squad where an experienced manager could potentially steer the ship until the summer. Ultimately, I'm for the Benitez/Hiddink route for now. Tuchel, who I rate, I admit is a gamble and reports the club were already warned about him back in 2017. 

Lampard has proved he is well and truly out of his depth. 

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6 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

As crazy as it might sound, I'd arguably find some of the aspects of supporting the club under less pressure to be successful far more enjoyable.

As great as the league wins and Champions League were, I'm not sure if it was ever better for me than the late 90's where we played great football, but the expectations were far lower so the few trophies we did win felt such a bigger deal.

Expectations are so high now, so a blip or performance dip is a disaster. It is for CFC business incorporated too as well as post -Abramovich fans.

Underperformers are quickly despatched. Can be a double edged sword though to react so quickly - eg Hiddink, Salah, de Bruyne  - as every player has performance troughs. However, the Abramovich hire and fire model seems to have worked pretty well since 2004

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8 hours ago, Jason said:

Since comparing Lampard with Klopp is a common thing, did a minor digging on how Klopp progressed each season at Liverpool (+ only key signings highlighted):

*took over in October*
2015/16 - 8th (60 pts) + League Cup Final + Europa League Final

*bought Matip, Mane, Wijnaldum*
2016/17 - 4th (76 pts)

*bought Salah, Robertson, Van Dijk (January)*
2017/18 - 4th (75 pts) + Champions League Final

*bought Fabinho, Alisson*
2018/19 - 2nd (97 pts) + Champions League Win

2019/20 - 1st (99 pts)

Lampard bought Mendy, Silva, Chilwell, Ziyech, Havertz and Werner in the summer and unless we go on some sort of crazy winning run, we look on course for another finish between 60-70 points again or maybe even lower than that! Plus based on current form, it doesn't seem likely we'll go far in the Champions League either while another FA Cup run is no guarantee. We have never gone 2 straight seasons without winning a trophy under Roman. 

It might be more like Lampard comparing to Ole. 

Lampard is nowhere near Klopp, but more like in the class of Ole. 

And right now Ole got his team on points with Liverpool.....But how Ole got to there is a whole different discussion. 

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2 hours ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Serious question. If the Russian fucked off - and we were mid table Championship team -how many would still be here ? 

I don't really get this, we can still be unhappy with the current situation and would still "be here" in such a hypothetical situation (which wouldn't happen, we're too big and generate too much money to dive to those depths now even if Roman did leave).

For me it's all about context, if we have the worst squad in the league then i'd demand a statue of a manager if he gets us 17th, someone finishes 17th with this squad then they're the worst manager in our history.

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