Blue-in-me-Veins 4,067 Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 City and United typically start with two out of the four strikers in there starting eleven. I doubt this is our intention given the number of attacking midfielders in the current squad.If we have an additional striker likeCavani you can kiss goodbye to Lukaka and Sturridge as they would be wanting regular first team football.totaly fukin agree, this isnt FIFA where torres and cavani switch alternate between ONE striker formation. idiots on here thinkin we playy 442 like city and man u screamin for cavani are total knobheads. unless you mention shipping torres God help you...... headhunter23 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hutcho 8,443 Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 I just would not trust going into a season with a past it nando and i honestly do not believe that Lukaku and Sturridge are at the level right now to be a first choice striker if Torres doesnt turn up. Right now, there are people who are arguing that Torres is better than them two, that just says it all. Torres as he is right now, is not good enough for to be first choice striker until he shows otherwise, you can talk about runs and link up play all you want, strikers who score goals do those too.It seems like you are not getting my Mata argument, let me see if i can be clearer. The idea that we shouldn't buy Cavani for 35M, because it will unsettle Torres whom we bought for 50M and has thus he will loose his confidence and not come good is ridiculous and a double standard, because we could have used it for Mata as a reason not to get either Hazard or KDB or Marin and maybe the return of Kakuta, and now Oscar as well. Mata likes to either play either in the whole or LW, Everybody we just bought this window including Kakuta are either wingers or likes to play in the hole. But we are not bother about Mata getting benched or losing his confidence? Why? Because he is the best in his position, why cant we use the same argument for Torres?, because he is shit at his job we have to look for every other excuse on the planet. And you cannot say Cavani is not a steal using your argument also "judge him when he leaves" . And i believe and have faith in Ramires to adapt to be to double pivot role as he has shown he is versatile enough to do it, and until he has be tried there and he proves me otherwise i wouldnt stop believing that there is any position he cannot own.Can you please tell me an elite striker that has gone for a steal of late, because Hernadez dont count, he is just an above average striker and a steal for 8m i must admit and Cisse has been good for only half a season please dont rush into judgement or you might be mistaken scumpool found out with Carroll, not saying he will turn out like that but we shouldnt be too rush to judge, do you know how much it will cost to get him from Newcastle? , also they are both not in the same category as the Drogba's, Rooney, Aguero, Balotelli, Benzema, Higuain, Van Persie, Cavani, Falcao and Ibrahimovic of this world, and can you tell me how much any of those strikers cost again?.Torres is currently not the best in the world and as such, doent deserve his job and fat pay check, and he is also gonna be a scouser to me, until he shows he is worth his weekly pay check. I never said it was a regular job, but you dont need to forget it is a job and a business first to even the players sometime, and they show it all the time in their contract negotiations and wage demand, so they should do their job right either they are criticized by 100million people or not, was he not shown he job description?, every little boy that aspires to be a athlete or footballer knows it comes with fan girls and scrutiny, it is part of the job and like it that way. if he didnt want to be scrutinized by 100million people, he should have gotten a job that doesnt require that.Didier Drogba cost us 24 million, and i am really not going to go through every other striker, also out of the ones you mentioned i rate Cavani as being the third "worst" out of that list, yes he is still an amazing striker. I understand your Mata argument, but whoever we brought in, unless we went crazy buying the Ozil's of this world, he wasn't gonna lose his place in the starting XI, unless for some reason which is highly unlikely he doesn't perform then could come under threat.I think we should just agree to disagree, you want to see Cavani brought in to replace torres, and i would rather see us go with torres, as lot of the great midfield we have brought in has been done so to help torres ( or whoever the striker is) and he has a great link with players like mata. I think we have 3 strikers which is enough and that they are good enough... We will soon see what happens. daBlackMamba7 and Blue-in-me-Veins 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daBlackMamba7 174 Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 Didier Drogba cost us 24 million, and i am really not going to go through every other striker, also out of the ones you mentioned i rate Cavani as being the third "worst" out of that list, yes he is still an amazing striker. I understand your Mata argument, but whoever we brought in, unless we went crazy buying the Ozil's of this world, he wasn't gonna lose his place in the starting XI, unless for some reason which is highly unlikely he doesn't perform then could come under threat.I think we should just agree to disagree, you want to see Cavani brought in to replace torres, and i would rather see us go with torres, as lot of the great midfield we have brought in has been done so to help torres ( or whoever the striker is) and he has a great link with players like mata. I think we have 3 strikers which is enough and that they are good enough... We will soon see what happens. Third worst on that list, is not really too bad....Yeah bro, we are just gonna agree to disagree on this one. My problem with Torres is that i was one of those screaming for a full season before judging him, i was also one of those that was excited about Mata coming in to provide the assists for Nando, and Mata ended creating for everyone but Torres refused to scored his, then it was if Drogba leave for ACON he will get his confidence back and will flourish, well we know what happened panned out. I am just done with making up excuses for him and getting my hopes up and excited whenever he makes a good touch or play, that is what i watch our youngsters and youth team football for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hutcho 8,443 Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 Third worst on that list, is not really too bad....Yeah bro, we are just gonna agree to disagree on this one. My problem with Torres is that i was one of those screaming for a full season before judging him, i was also one of those that was excited about Mata coming in to provide the assists for Nando, and Mata ended creating for everyone but Torres refused to scored his, then it was if Drogba leave for ACON he will get his confidence back and will flourish, well we know what happened panned out. I am just done with making up excuses for him and getting my hopes up and excited whenever he makes a good touch or play, that is what i watch our youngsters and youth team football for.Oh i understand your argument, and in many ways its made up of far better logic, i too went in to every game, thinking this would be the one he did it and in the end there were only a few of those games, i just want to give him one more season or at least til January to see how he does, whilst knowing he will start and be our number 1 choice, with the improved supply line. Just my opinion... And this forum would be pretty boring if we all just agreed on everything... headhunter23 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! Peace. 4,352 Posted July 18, 2012 Popular Post! Share Posted July 18, 2012 If he is truly valued at £35m then I say we should bite Napoli board's hand off. If we want to compete with the top clubs next year, we will need to have someone who genuinely can score goals on a regular basis and who has a big presence up front. And we, currently, do not have that kind of player. Didier isn't here anymore to save our ass. Lukaku is as raw as the Pacific ocean is vast. He has a long way in front of him to be important to this club. He first needs to dramatically improve his technic, for instance. He should be sent out on loan, he is not good enough at the moment, nor he should be wasted on the bench. Sturridge, as a lone striker will only work depending on the playing style we would adopt. And even then, he won't single handed carry us. And as for Torres... Don't even get me started. I'll only say this : he is average and we shouldn't build castle in the air such as "this year is his year, he will recapture his Caveland form".Edison Cavani is a player who will significantly improve the level of our squad, and we will be endowed with a top striker in our ranks. Therefore, into my eyes, if his selling price is circa £35m, we should go all out to sign him. Stats, Blue Armour, Justin_3d and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.F. 1,484 Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 Any news about potetinal transfer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jype 6,398 Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 If he is truly valued at £35m then I say we should bite Napoli board's hand off. If we want to compete with the top clubs next year, we will need to have someone who genuinely can score goals on a regular basis and who has a big presence up front. And we, currently, do not have that kind of player. Didier isn't here anymore to save our ass. Lukaku is as raw as the Pacific ocean is vast. He has a long way in front of him to be important to this club. He first needs to dramatically improve his technic, for instance. He should be sent out on loan, he is not good enough at the moment, nor he should be wasted on the bench. Sturridge, as a lone striker will only work depending on the playing style we would adopt. And even then, he won't single handed carry us. And as for Torres... Don't even get me started. I'll only say this : he is average and we shouldn't build castle in the air such as "this year is his year, he will recapture his Caveland form".Edison Cavani is a player who will significantly improve the level of our squad, and we will be endowed with a top striker in our ranks. Therefore, into my eyes, if his selling price is circa £35m, we should go all out to sign him.Agreed 100% but only problem is we're stuck with Nando. No point keeping him if we got Cavani for silly money to lead our attacking line but I don't see us offloading Torres so easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 There are some big fucking posts in this thread.Do I want Cavani at Chelsea? YesDoes Chelsea need Cavani? MaybeIs there room for Cavani? not reallyI don't really want another Torres and Drogba situation where every few months the managers sees if they can be played in the same formation. Jype and headhunter23 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDA 9,937 Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 Agreed 100% but only problem is we're stuck with Nando. No point keeping him if we got Cavani for silly money to lead our attacking line but I don't see us offloading Torres that easily.We could offload him easily, it's the price that would be the problem. Then again has money ever been a problem since Roman began his Empire! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 Yeah lets not sign the best forward in world football on the off chance a player who has played shite for 2 years comes good We might aswell offer Bolton £20m plus Hazard for N Gog while were at it, you never know he might show a few glimpses as to why Rafa signed him for Liverpool in the first place. Justin_3d and Peace. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin_3d 1,140 Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 Yeah lets not sign the best forward in world football on the off chance a player who has played shite for 2 years comes good We might aswell offer Bolton £20m plus Hazard for N Gog while were at it, you never know he might show a few glimpses as to why Rafa signed him for Liverpool in the first place.Yeah there is too much what if scenarios.A team like Chelsea with all the resources should not let itself come to those speculation.So Torres can bitch all he wants, he put us in this situation! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jype 6,398 Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 We could offload him easily, it's the price that would be the problem. Then again has money ever been a problem since Roman began his Empire!Torres is also one of the best paid players in the world, so that's a big problem too. Not many top clubs are in need of a striker at the moment, and those who are couldn't even afford to pay his wages let alone any transfer fees. If we were to try offloading him to clear room for a new striker, the only options I can realistically see is him going on loan to one of the Italian giants and that wouldn't be very wise business from Chelsea's point of view and we might as well keep him as the most expensive bench warmer in the history of football.Not a single one of the options available to us regarding the forwards sound good to me. Torres staying and being first choice is a high-risk, high-reward type of situation (and the risk is very, very high with this one) but buying a new top striker like Cavani would be expensive as hell and Torres would then either have to be let go for next to nothing or sulking on the bench. I'm sure the board are aware of all the options and are weighing the pros and cons of every scenario and soon deciding what the best move is. I honestly don't know the best solution but I have faith on the board and hopefully they are wiser than me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duppy Conqueror 1,533 Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 i think Roman needs to send out the dogs for Fernando and take him for a long drive into siberia where no one can hear his screams. then we can buy Cavani with the insurance money. job done. Next! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoSalah 8,886 Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 i think Roman needs to send out the dogs for Fernando and take him for a long drive into siberia where no one can hear his screams. then we can buy Cavani with the insurance money. job done. Next!Lol harsh... would only work with Jamie Carragher or Ryan Giggs because they are like 80 anywayAnyway don't expect Nando to leave anytime soon... or Cavani to sign... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mediator 2,026 Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 WorldTransferNews @WorldTransferNeChelsea are talks with £35m rated Cavani and will make a make bid of around £20m for Schurrle (Daily Express) #CFC -S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Drog 1,110 Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 WorldTransferNews @WorldTransferNeChelsea are talks with £35m rated Cavani and will make a make bid of around £20m for Schurrle (Daily Express) #CFC -SI could understand the Cavani signing even if I wouldn't be really big on it but I dont understand the Schurrle one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duppy Conqueror 1,533 Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 there`s ways out of every awkward situation. it does look like we stuck with Torres and that`s kinda preventing us from replacing him with a better player like Cavani. there should be solution to this problem somehow. just hard to see where it`s gonna come from.i`m not really suggesting we have him murdered tho..lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TorontoChelsea 4,064 Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 I could understand the Cavani signing even if I wouldn't be really big on it but I dont understand the Schurrle one.I'd understand it pre-Oscar, but now? We only need a striker and a RB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLyon 9,359 Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 Fuck of with 20mio for Schurle, he is not worth even 10. Only the fact that last season, he scored 70 goals, while year before 15 is enough. Instead of improving his stats, he decreased by half. And if stats dont tell enough, he was also realy bad at euros. And again, 20mio £?!Hamsik, Cavani, Hulk, Moses,...but not Schurle!Oh and dont be so against Torres Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duppy Conqueror 1,533 Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Fuck of with 20mio for Schurle, he is not worth even 10. Only the fact that last season, he scored 70 goals, while year before 15 is enough. Instead of improving his stats, he decreased by half. And if stats dont tell enough, he was also realy bad at euros. And again, 20mio £?!Hamsik, Cavani, Hulk, Moses,...but not Schurle!Oh and dont be so against Torres Schurrle scored 70 goals last season? i think goals in the park against children only count on Pele`s career goal total Kalou may be gone now but that doesn`t mean we have to find somebody else to make excuses for year after year like they are some poor disabled child whose trying his best. Henrique and We Hate Scouse 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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