The Mourinho Thread

[Fulham Broadway 17,810]

Pretty much sums our season so far, unlucky. Anti-Chelsea campaign.

It is. When things have settled down, one day, I would love us to take the FA to court

[BlueLyon 9,359]

While Im happy board is behind him, I will keep it simple;

If players are behind him, he has to stay. The day the dressing room is against him, he should leave. He is great manager, created biggest part of our history, and he will never be forgotten, but if things go south, the best is to move on. For him, the players and club.

[Laylabelle 9,754]

The whole thing annoying.if ref didn't make mistakes wouldn't be critised.daft can't be to a point.This time was a bit urgh uncalled for but when it is a valid point

[Ollie 4,400]

Maybe he should just shut up sometimes and be honest. Falcao dived, it was no way a penalty. We're playing awful football and he's clearly upsetting a lot of people. He needs to dust himself down with his players and start again. We're heading for mid table.

[Henrique 9,133]

Really lazy to come up with "player power" at this stage.

[Stats 7,230]

Again, this is where he lets us down. He is talking about it is important to stick together yet he makes daft comments which means he probably will end up being banned from the touchline and being separated from the team. The worse thing is that Falcao clearly dived while Southampton should of had 2 clear penalties so why is he even complaining?

[robsblubot 3,595]

I wish he had replaced fabregas and ivanovic because I am confident that the results would have been the same or worse.

Because the evidence says that one or two player tweaks doesn't make that much of a difference: like I said before Mikel played instead and alongside Matic and guess what the results were? Terry played and was left out without much of a difference really.

We have our own preferences and dislikes, but if you don't see tha the problems go Beyond team selection, then imo you don't know why we are losing which partly explains the hate against Jose.

Fans tend to believe in the quick short term fix: fix the confidence... Replace the manager... Sub this or that player... It's never that simple.

We are in a deficit compared to almost all the other teams in the pl and cl. We are slower, weaker, and less sharp. That's what we have to fix first.

Unfortunately it's s lot easier said than done.

[Muzchap 8,966]

It is. When things have settled down, one day, I would love us to take the FA to court

Mate - C'mon seriously - I normally agree with you 100%, but this is Jose's own fault - he knows the rules, he knows the FA are hot on punishing him and he blamed the referee for the failure! Which on closer analysis was complete and utter bollocks as Southampton could have had 2 penalties.

The reason Wenger gets away with it - is because he doesn't launch into a 7 minute rant.

Fergie had the same problem - the trouble for Mourinho is all the bullshit that's come before is ever present and the FA like nothing better than him opening his mouth - why? Because it equals pay day for them - another £60k in the bank!

Mourinho needs to smarten up and not be so sloppy in front of the cameras - if he had ACTUALLY told the truth - that his shit man management and team selection where to blame - he would not be getting charged. However, he palmed his failure off onto the referree - amateur mistake from a seemingly amateur (of late) manager... Some might call it Karma

[manpe 10,861]

He knew he was getting punished long before he opened his mouth. That rant wasn't improvised but thought out before the final whistle blew, you could see and hear it. It is what he was willing to sacrifice in order to speak out what he believed to be the truth. It's pointless to bring Wenger or other examples to this situation. It was no surprise to him, Chelsea Football Club, and it certainly shouldn't be a surprise to us. He took one for the team(?) and is now paying for it, which in essence is kinda fucked up, but still nothing new to us and nothing to rage over. I knew immediately when he mentioned the referees that it would end with a charge, but amidst all the screw ups I thought this was the least important.

[Fulham Broadway 17,810]

Mate - C'mon seriously - I normally agree with you 100%, but this is Jose's own fault - he knows the rules, he knows the FA are hot on punishing him and he blamed the referee for the failure! Which on closer analysis was complete and utter bollocks as Southampton could have had 2 penalties.

The reason Wenger gets away with it - is because he doesn't launch into a 7 minute rant.

Fergie had the same problem - the trouble for Mourinho is all the bullshit that's come before is ever present and the FA like nothing better than him opening his mouth - why? Because it equals pay day for them - another £60k in the bank!

Mourinho needs to smarten up and not be so sloppy in front of the cameras - if he had ACTUALLY told the truth - that his shit man management and team selection where to blame - he would not be getting charged. However, he palmed his failure off onto the referree - amateur mistake from a seemingly amateur (of late) manager... Some might call it Karma

But as you say -the FA see Chelsea as a cash cow, regardless of what he said. Its not just Mourinho, Chelsea get harsher treatment from the FA period. Just because Wenger didnt speak for 7 minutes, and just because maybe Saints should have had 2 pens, doesnt detract from the fact Wenger in effect said exactly the same yet gets away with it.

[Fernando 6,743]

But as you say -the FA see Chelsea as a cash cow, regardless of what he said. Its not just Mourinho, Chelsea get harsher treatment from the FA period. Just because Wenger didnt speak for 7 minutes, and just because maybe Saints should have had 2 pens, doesnt detract from the fact Wenger in effect said exactly the same yet gets away with it.

Well if the FA where out to get us they should have hit Mourinho with a major ban/fine against the Eva fiasco.

[Fulham Broadway 17,810]

Well if the FA where out to get us they should have hit Mourinho with a major ban/fine against the Eva fiasco.

They couldnt, it was adjudicated by an independent body.

[xPetrCechx 13,598]

Wenger pushed Jose - Nothing.

Wenger talked about refs - Nothing.

[Fernando 6,743]

They couldnt, it was adjudicated by an independent body.

That wouldn't stop it.

The same was done to Terry on the racist thing.

The regular law find him not guilty but the FA did.

If you believe your conspiracy theory that your obviously throwing right now, such thing would not stop the FA from hurting us.

[Belgiannutt 3,201]

I wish he had replaced fabregas and ivanovic because I am confident that the results would have been the same or worse.

Because the evidence says that one or two player tweaks doesn't make that much of a difference: like I said before Mikel played instead and alongside Matic and guess what the results were? Terry played and was left out without much of a difference really.

We have our own preferences and dislikes, but if you don't see tha the problems go Beyond team selection, then imo you don't know why we are losing which partly explains the hate against Jose.

Fans tend to believe in the quick short term fix: fix the confidence... Replace the manager... Sub this or that player... It's never that simple.

We are in a deficit compared to almost all the other teams in the pl and cl. We are slower, weaker, and less sharp. That's what we have to fix first.

Unfortunately it's s lot easier said than done.

Ofcourse its not that simple. Regardless of what happens now be it players getting dropped or Mourinho getting sacked it's gonna take time to get out of this mess.

Indeed, replacing Ivanovic or Fabregas isn't going to magically fix things, but their constant selection is a problem that has a deeper influence on the team then some on here seem to realize.

It's clear that Mourinho is using double standards to decide who gets dropped and who gets to play. A different set of rules seem to apply to Ivanovic/Fabregas and the rest of the team.

If the majority of the fans can see that Ivanovic and Fabregas are getting treated differently don't you think that the players themselves can see it too ?

The players have to be wondering: Why did Terry, Matic get dropped yet Ivanovic and Fabregas keep their place ? Why does everyone else get dropped apart from them ? Hazard and Schurrle got publicly criticised and singled out in the past for not tracking their man yet Fabregas has done it 2 games in a row yet he isn't being singled out, publicly criticised or being dropped.

How can you expect the team to be a unified front when as a manager you treat 1 set of players differently then the others ?

[Fulham Broadway 17,810]

That wouldn't stop it.

The same was done to Terry on the racist thing.

The regular law find him not guilty but the FA did.

If you believe your conspiracy theory that your obviously throwing right now, such thing would not stop the FA from hurting us.

So you reckon chelsea get treated the same as everyone else. Laughable.

[Laylabelle 9,754]

I don't buy into the whole conspiracy just double standards.The Jt thing seemed to prove a point/give into pressure.If a court found it inconclusive how they decided nahh was daft

[GodZola 630]

Mate - C'mon seriously - I normally agree with you 100%, but this is Jose's own fault - he knows the rules, he knows the FA are hot on punishing him and he blamed the referee for the failure! Which on closer analysis was complete and utter bollocks as Southampton could have had 2 penalties.

The reason Wenger gets away with it - is because he doesn't launch into a 7 minute rant.

Fergie had the same problem - the trouble for Mourinho is all the bullshit that's come before is ever present and the FA like nothing better than him opening his mouth - why? Because it equals pay day for them - another £60k in the bank!

Mourinho needs to smarten up and not be so sloppy in front of the cameras - if he had ACTUALLY told the truth - that his shit man management and team selection where to blame - he would not be getting charged. However, he palmed his failure off onto the referree - amateur mistake from a seemingly amateur (of late) manager... Some might call it Karma

Think your missing the point here, I'm pretty sure José knew this was coming he said so much in his rant, however whether its 7 minutes or 7 seconds & you cross the line you should expect a reprimand & Wenger got away with it again, simarly as he did with his push last season - you can be sure José would of been on a charge if he pushed Wenger! Let's not forget the FA's decision on Costa (fair enough) then let Angel Gabriel off after retaliating & apparently some on here think they show 'rationale' but just another way to vent their spleen.

The amount of hypocrites on this forum is embarrassing, a few years ago most were calling for 'stability' now that word is taboo & replaced with the new forum game clincher in 'identity' what an absolute crock of shit. If we were doing ok this season none of this would of been mentioned, its just we are going through our worst spell in years for a number of different reasons & yes José is very much part of that & make no mistake the stay of execution won't last long if things continue the way they are so that will please many, the board who also are far from blameless then bring in a new appointment that might just might turn things round but as soon as it goes sour the pessimist's will be on him like a rash....

We've had 18 years of success, the last decade or so the most successful team in the PL, eventually this situation was always going to happen as it had to Liverpool & more recently Utd & City will kop it at some point too, I hope we turn it round sooner rather than later but if it means we go backwards before moving forward & lose some of the glory hunters I'll take it.

Also this has been a very strange season with nobody showing consistency or taking the bull by the horns, its unlikely but if we put our shit together there's no reason why we cannot make the top 4 due to so many strange results.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Really lazy to come up with "player power" at this stage.

Completely irrational as well. We don't have anything even close to 'player power' in the team. In case anyone hasn't noticed, Jose has basically been running the squad like a dictatorship. Just ask Eva & Fearn or Lukaku or KDB about it. That's what he does. He's the military commander and he leads the troops to war.

The obvious difference between now and under AVB is that (some of) the players back then consciously and purposefully didn't want to give 100% for the team because they wanted the manager gone for their own sake at the expense of the best interest of the club. That is very obviously not the case now. No one is intentionally not giving 100%. We don't have power cliques in the team. We don't even have players with that type of personality. Practically everyone in the squad is a Mourinho man.

Continuing about that article, yes a player should be held accountable for his failures. But when an entire team is under-performing so badly and with no obvious ulterior motives, you have to look at exterior factors. You have to look at the management.

Yes, Jose is the most successful and decorated manager in the past decade, but that is irrelevant here. The question that should be asked is where does the best interest of the club lie? Will the sacking of Jose Mourinho improve the team and get us better results? Can another manager do better than he is doing?

[kmk108 1,186]

Really lazy to come up with "player power" at this stage.

It's not "player power" in the sense that they're running the dressing room. It takes players with "a pair" to do that.

What the quote means is that, by blaming Jose, you're ignoring the fact that the players deserve blame in all of this as well.