The Mourinho Thread

[Rmpr 8,977]

I am not following the discussion and I dont plan to, but to say Jose Mourinho isnt a tactical guru is a bit stupid...

TSO is one of the best tactical managers in the history of football. He knows how to buy, he knows how to train, he studies his opponents and he knows how to set up the team and each player's role. Like he says, a lot of people work hard, but only a few work hard and well!

[Zinedine Iniesco 172]

Stingray what are you still saying? Go to the guten tag thread i left a reply, maybe that should clear the air up a bit.

Didier you took my replies out of context, i even gave proof of so many mistakes mou made. its just that the polarizing effect here is having too much influence on you guys.

[didierforever 7,349]

@ Didier, madrid has been a sham as an institution for the most part the last 10 years, some real stupid purchases have been made but they were more due to perez and not an individual managers decision.

Nor del bosque or pellegrini ever asked for either of the ronaldos, beckham, or kaka, they were bought by perez.

So its not a comparison between mourinho and other managers there.

And a clubs failing like that, done overule the failing of mourinho.

Its like saying " hey it doesnt matter if this guy fucked up in his job, his company fucked up years ago in their own way". Mourinho still has stuff to be blamed for.

u mean to say mou wanted KAKA who most RM supporters blame mou for destroying his career. moreover he bought angel, ozil and khedira who were a BIG part of madrid's league winning side.

as u said , madrid has been a sham in the last 10 years and the first job for mou to do was STEADY THE SHIP. give the players A WINNING MENTALITY. there must be a reason that coached like ancelotti, del bosque, pelegrini failed at RM and mou had to clean their mess. just being announce as a new manager does not give u a clean slate to work with so u are completely wrong when u say that he should not be compared to others, or the club's failing should not overrule his failing.

also mou has screwed up this season. modric signing, poor man-management, etc etc but its not all his fault. infact mou has been the best thing that happened to RM in a ling time.

[Fernando 6,454]

firstly in today's footballing world even 3-4 years is managerial stability. so lets not compare with the likes of barca and bayern.

players "dream" to play in MADRID because of its history. if u take that away i dont think any1 would give it a second glance. in the last decade what has madrid acheived by its managerial INSTABILITY. NOTHING. they achieved something only when JOSE came over and stayed for 3 years. we were lucky that jose was their for us since the start of roman-period (forgive raneiri) and made a base of group of players who were just SUPERB. we wont get always so lucky.

good player come only when they see a chance of winning something. for me this managerial changes WILL catch up with us resulting in poor displays and hence no trophies. also with FFP playing a BIG role in the future cant see us bidding 90 mil for ronaldo and 65 mil for kaka like madrid did.

the "buys" that u have mentioned have 3 players who have yet to do ANYTHING for this football club and i wont be suprised if it continues to stay this way if we continue with your thinking.

Well first I totally agree with your first line.

3 to 4 years is a lot in today's modern world.

Why? Because of the money that is managed. It's much easier to build a squad in such a short time, then it took before.

So most top managers get only that, 3 to 4 years and you will get measured based on that.

Second, the players "dream" has nothing to do with history!!!!!

Look at Liverpool, much more history then us, and you don't hear that now.

Why?

Because a player wants to get pay good and challenge to trophies.

If Madrid did not had the money or payed good, nobody on earth will dream of playing there.

Third, for 10 years achieve nothing?

So your telling me that Barcelona won the league for 10 years straight in a row???

Cause the only thing of importance that Mourinho won was a league. So are you saying that past managers never won that?

And last good players come whey they are paid good and see that the club is spending on top players.

Torres left Liverpool, because Liverpool was not spending big on top players. And because of that he came to Chelsea.

And how is that better compared to our position when Robbie got sacked? And how did sacking Ancelotti help us?

You already say if Mourinho doesn't deliver he needs to go...but "deliver" is apparently very subjective.

And if you really believe Chelsea fans approved of Robbie being sacked and replaced by Rafa then you didn't see or hear the reaction. Well, it's the fans who put their hard-earned money into the Chelsea kitty and they deserve to be treated with respect. End of.

Not better, ok. But with RDM we where already going down hill. Humiliated in the super cup, beaten by City...albeit beaten the whole season. Out of the CL group stage, which was pathetic!

And leaking goals like nothing, because our team was badly shaped.

The trend was down, and Roman did the logical to turn the ship.

In the end it work. Was not the best season, but an ok season.

And about "the fans who put their hard-earned money into the Chelsea kitty and they deserve to be treated with respect"...well I feel your pain however, there is that big however, the fans are not bold enough to stand to the one guy that makes decision. Roman!

Why?

Because Roman is the man, and what he says it's what goes.

I don't see millions and millions of supporter boycotting, or protesting outside the grounds against Roman.

If they don't do that then their voice means nothing, and thus the treated with respect will never happen.

[Mceachran 109]

If you want to write an article, then write an article. You have to be pretty egotistic to think that your 2 page analysis on a fan forum is important enough for people to read it.

[Stingray 9,441]

Stingray what are you still saying? Go to the guten tag thread i left a reply, maybe that should clear the air up a bit.

Didier you took my replies out of context, i even gave proof of so many mistakes mou made. its just that the polarizing effect here is having too much influence on you guys.

I did.

Ps : that polarising effect was on everyone. Lets fix it.

[Jase 43,479]

This is surreal, what a fucking incredible record!

I think Mourinho will have the players more focused and the old guard lighted up. With a ST, RW and DM; I believe we can push for the EPL!!!

Cant wait for him to come and start the Mourinho effect...

Would really love for us to turn Stamford Bridge into a fortress once again. Too long we have played at home without that fear factor, though it's not necessarily a bad thing without it either.

[Zinedine Iniesco 172]

I did.

Ps : that polarising effect was on everyone. Lets fix it.

Yes you are right, we are all subject to polarizing effects. Its our job to maintain cordiality and awareness.

[The Skipper 20,593]

I came here to read about Mourinho. :banghead:

[SinineUltra 1,170]

Stingray what are you still saying? Go to the guten tag thread i left a reply, maybe that should clear the air up a bit.

Didier you took my replies out of context, i even gave proof of so many mistakes mou made. its just that the polarizing effect here is having too much influence on you guys.

I respect your opinions and agree that we shouldn't trust Mourinho blindly - afterall he is just a human like we all. It's just that -using cliches- you have come to the wrong neighbourhood. People are and will be biased about Jose Mourinho in Chelsea - a match made in heaven. He has achieved great things, great records and naturally we want that to continue here. So in a sense we have set the bar very high for him and -especially looking at the stats you've posted- I hope he will not deliver less than expected, because the fall will be very high.

I don't believe into the posts that say Mourinho should be given years to build his legacy. Why? Because if in principle we do keep him for long term but for some reason the team doesn't deliver - the same fans that always call for manager's heads will also demand his sacking. After all, old habits die hard.

Take care, madridista!

[Zinedine Iniesco 172]

u mean to say mou wanted KAKA who most RM supporters blame mou for destroying his career. moreover he bought angel, ozil and khedira who were a BIG part of madrid's league winning side.

as u said , madrid has been a sham in the last 10 years and the first job for mou to do was STEADY THE SHIP. give the players A WINNING MENTALITY. there must be a reason that coached like ancelotti, del bosque, pelegrini failed at RM and mou had to clean their mess. just being announce as a new manager does not give u a clean slate to work with so u are completely wrong when u say that he should not be compared to others, or the club's failing should not overrule his failing.

also mou has screwed up this season. modric signing, poor man-management, etc etc but its not all his fault. infact mou has been the best thing that happened to RM in a ling time.

No mou did not want kaka when he wasnt even here...Kaka was brought at the end of 08/09.

Only fools blame mou for ruining kaka's career. There were many factors but mou didnt single handedly do anything and dont just generalize into thinking i think that.

He didnt bring ozil, valdano did, any educated madrid fan knows this but i dont blame you. Angel Di Maria is not too much of a good player ive given a analysis in the luka modric thread. They were all "big parts" of mourinho's team because he made them so but it doesnt mean they did a good job or should have been there.

Mourinho made a BIG mistake by making our midfield so immobile, i really gave my analysis of this in my first post. Read it again if ud like but i really dont feel like going over it aagain.

Ancelotti has never coached us, and he was given power and money due to his reputation of the special one. Again refer to my op.

Mou the best thing that has happened? I dont think so, difference of opinions, i respect your opinion but i really wrote pretty much all i had to say in the OP. He was given power and gave us bad image, lack of trophies, and failed, and its not all his fault but he has big fault, but the definition of failure is different for many here but i tried to put it all in my first post, PAGES AGO.

[milka 3,346]

#Chelsea esta listo para vender a Ivanovic & Luiz x £40m al #Barca.Mourinho ha dado el aval.segun

[didierforever 7,349]

Well first I totally agree with your first line.

3 to 4 years is a lot in today's modern world.

Why? Because of the money that is managed. It's much easier to build a squad in such a short time, then it took before.

So most top managers get only that, 3 to 4 years and you will get measured based on that.

Second, the players "dream" has nothing to do with history!!!!!

Look at Liverpool, much more history then us, and you don't hear that now.

Why?

Because a player wants to get pay good and challenge to trophies.

If Madrid did not had the money or payed good, nobody on earth will dream of playing there.

Third, for 10 years achieve nothing?

So your telling me that Barcelona won the league for 10 years straight in a row???

Cause the only thing of importance that Mourinho won was a league. So are you saying that past managers never won that?

And last good players come whey they are paid good and see that the club is spending on top players.

Torres left Liverpool, because Liverpool was not spending big on top players. And because of that he came to Chelsea.

as i said before, players will come only when they say the chance of winning a trophy, can u say that for pool. HELL NO. this buying player and paying him stuff will still be there in the future but u wont be able to buy a SQUAD. due to FFP , a club will have to build a SQUAD which wont happen unless a good manager stays for a period (which is more than 9 months)

madrid won 3 la ligas in the 10 years before mou took over. pretty bad for a 2 horse race i would say and that too having the world's BEST players by a margin. also barca was no where as great and dominant in those years as when mou took over.

for the last point, again go to the top. player is not equal to trophy. A SQUAD + A GOOD MANAGER is equal to a trophy. buying players is just one part.

[Rmpr 8,977]

OMG, lets stop all this argument!

[Bosnian Blue 2,471]

We don't care about Madrid. All we care about is Chelsea FC.

[Jase 43,479]

#Chelsea esta listo para vender a Ivanovic & Luiz x £40m al #Barca.Mourinho ha dado el aval.segun

Post it in English please.

And guys if you are gonna post any news/stories/rumours, please post it with a source for goodness sake!

[Hutcho 8,443]

Would really love for us to turn Stamford Bridge into a fortress once again. Too long we have played at home without that fear factor, though it's not necessarily a bad thing without it either.

This. The days where you saw we were playing at home and it was a question of whether we won or drew the match. Losing wasn't even in the thought process. A return of that would be pretty special.

[Zinedine Iniesco 172]

I respect your opinions and agree that we shouldn't trust Mourinho blindly - afterall he is just a human like we all. It's just that -using cliches- you have come to the wrong neighbourhood. People are and will be biased about Jose Mourinho in Chelsea - a match made in heaven. He has achieved great things, great records and naturally we want that to continue here. So in a sense we have set the bar very high for him and -especially looking at the stats you've posted- I hope he will not deliver less than expected, because the fall will be very high.

I don't believe into the posts that say Mourinho should be given years to build his legacy. Why? Because if in principle we do keep him for long term but for some reason the team doesn't deliver - the same fans that always call for manager's heads will also demand his sacking. After all, old habits die hard.

Take care, madridista!

I believe i agree and understand, thanks for the message. i of course am not sure if hes capable enough of long term but he loves chelsea and chelsea loves him so if he can prove my hypothesis wrong in that sense the time is now, like i said in my 1st post.

I apologize to anyone i offended.