The Mourinho Thread

[Kojo 4,676]

Since this is the main mourinho thread i would like to share a post that i posted on another mourinho thread in this forum, i am a madrid fan and here is my analysis of how i rank mourinho's time in madrid.

In Madrid theres a structure where behavior and values are looked at with a microscope in a special way, in madrid this is called "senorio", where madrid is looked or was looked at as classy to put it simply. Kind of how Barcelona stands for values as they say with "mes que un club". ( This was problem A for Mou before he went to madrid).

In Madrid there is a belief that you have to "die" attacking, people dont want to see madrid defending on their back foot in their own home. There is a certain spanish style in madrid's history (epitomized recently in the late 80's with la quinta del buitre which won la liga for almost an entire decade). ( Problem B for Mou before he went to madrid.)

So these two problems were going to make it hard for mourinho to live a peaceful life here because as everyone knew, he had an attitude which would clash with "senorio", like joining barcelona with the values they have...So he had the problem with attitude and he had the problem with the way hed make the team play, so controversy and pain was almost guaranteed before he arrived.

Well when madrid got him, pellegrini was sacked so he could come. People knew that bringing mou had its drawbacks, specially for us as not only the attitude and style was in doubt, but also his ability to build a long term plan. Well the whole thing when we brought him was that THE END HAD TO JUSTIFY THE MEANS. Mourinho is more RESULTIST than a coach like guardiola in that a coach like guardiola or cryuff hellped build legacies, canteras, styles of football, and football with substance that could be evolutionized and revolutionized into being something special. Mou brings nothing of this because as his track record showed, his football was not long term in that sense and if anything he had shown that his way of being was ANTI long term. So based on this maybe a coach like guardiola who is classy and has this long term thing to him could be saved from being "hanged" but when a coach that is so arrogant and controversial and plays such a negative football and is like SATAN to what madrid stands for comes to madrid and fails to justify the means with his arrival, the only thing i can do as the majority can is deem his time here as a FAILURE.

Forget about all other competitions other than la liga and champions league.

HE FAILED TO WIN 5/6 OF THOSE TOURNAMENTS.

He got beat by barcelona twice in the league, and despite things that you can point at like the red card on pepe in 10/11 in the CL SEMI FINAL, the scheme he brought to madrid was so poor that we got lambasted 3 years in a row by dortmund, munich, and barcelona. Bare in mind that in each and every of the campaigns the only time we had real formidable foes in our way to the semi finals was this year when we faced manchester united and we only won because the referee made a mistake with NANI.

So bottom line mourinho failed in Madrid because his football philosophy is non existant, he left us with nothing, no type of good football that can be expanded and that a legacy or football project can be created with like the ones with bayern munich, dortmund, or barcelona, which are coincidentally the teams that took us down. His football was so horrible that we lost two la ligas because teams figured us out,we were either ill prepared tactically or mentally and emotionally because in 12/13 there was civil war in madrid leading to a huge dip in form in the first half of season. So mourinho left no type of football philosophy, and he failed to win 5/6 real trophies. Thats an 83 percent failure he had in madrid.

So he left us with a horrible brand of football if it can even be called a brand, and with 1 trophy out of 6. So in that side of the coin its a total FAILURE.

On THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COIN. You could say he brought madrid back into relevance into the CL SEMI FINALS, this is probably the only justification his most dire supporters can use, but the reality is that since VICENTE DEL BOSQUE IN 2003 AND NOT EVEN THEN! No one has been given more power or money to spend than jose mourinho. And what did jose do with that power? He made a circus out of madrid making us look like bastards with guys like Xavi defending the senorio of real madrid, our OWN CLUB by saying that mourinho was a cancer. So this is nto a justification. Its like saying " hey madrid finally gave someone a chance and when they gave the guy a chance you know what he did? he made us look like clowns, made horrible purchases, and failed to win the trophies more than 80 percent of the time!"

Aside from that theres nothing more to say, mou was a failure in each and every way. He gave us a 3 year run of consistency, its a step forward but its due to his overated status and not to what he did here, thats why guys like PEREZ are idiots and these last 4 years of his i will wish to see race past me as i dont want perez in madrid.

Mourinho failed.

He failed with the trophies.

He failed with the football.

Thats why everyone was saying "madrid is it really worth the cost?" well the answer was, "lets wait till its over to decide", and now we can answer with a big NO. He made us into clowns and losers, LITERALLY. The return of relevance was due to the club waking up a little bit and realizing that no matter who the coach if you treat him like sh*T and dont give him time nothing good will happen. Mou did nothing special with out team considering he built it wrong around a bad football brand, spent alot of money, i mean someone like pellegrini if he had stayed would have been classy, would have brought better football, and if given time would have probably led to trophies, as mourinho showed, he is not the best manager or coach in the world in any way, he just has a short term winning formula ( that is not guaranteed btw) that packs in a high dose of controversy and bullshi*T.

Now about his transfers..They were horrible...

He brought Nuri Sahin and probably never even watched him play considering he didnt know what to do with him and ostracized him completely, by making alonso play almost every game of the season. Nuri Sahin was a failure.

Di Maria is a clown, he is predictable, a prolific diver, overated, and cant pass for sh*t, only thing he has is good work rate.

Coentrao was a 30 million failure, not needed here, mou tried him in midfield and failed, and he failed at displacing marcelo too.

Altintop? HAHAAHAHAHa

Modric maybe his biggest failure. So expensive, could have brought someone like gundogan or given sahin more of a chance but he spent so much on modric just so that he didnt know what to do, what a piece of sh*T mourinho prove to be with transfers. None of his transfers had impact, they were all overpriced flops.

Coentrao is madrid biggest mistake but he will be sold for around 18 i heard, and modric will be given a chance since mou just played him as utility player anywhere not knowing what to do with him.

Mourinho is a bit of a fraud, he is sh*T tactically, he got beat soundly in all the 3 CL semi finals tactically.

Go to google and type in Zonal mARKING along with the match ud want to check like the bayern vs madrid match in 11/12, very profound explanations of the rape mourinho took. He built such a shit team that he had to take a midfielder out and the rb out more than once in la liga games this year to put in callejon and kaka in an attempt to throw all attacking players out there and hope for a goal. SEVILLA GAME WAS THE LOWEST POINT.

http://www.zonalmark...of-both-halves/

A piece of sh*t tactically and financially, and he failed in all fronts.

Forgive me if i am harsh but this is the reality. He made us waste money on people we didnt need and he didnt know how to use, he left us with no positives in the football area, failed to win the trophies, did not do a "special job", did not justify the means, behaved like a classless prick, and hurt our image. A CL would have justified the means as crazy as it sounds, but with the controversy with the players and everything...a facking disgrace.

Oh and dont get me started on the players..80 percent of the dressing room was against him. So were the fans because he was an asshole who didnt keep his promises to guys like benzema. Only arbeloa, modric, essien, lopez, callejon, licked his ass in the end. Even pepe told him to fck off after what he did to iker.

FAILURE.

Who do i want in madrid? Someone who could bring progressive football, with advanced technical football like the ones we see from the germans so that we can build a long term project like a modern club should, maybe someone like laudrup or heynckes. Trophy cabinets like mourinho's mean jack shit if you dont take all areas into account.

But perez is an idiot, i was illusioned with the arrival of zidane as our GM that we would do what i wish but we are sliding towards ancelotti which is like mourinho but less bound to successful, plays sht football, very defensive minded, all is going wrong. I dont know why zidane didnt advice perez on this.

Apparently madrid will get ancelotti and bale and that sickens me, we will play shit football that has led to our demise in europe ( i could go further into detail into mourinhos failings but i wont atm) with managers like him or mou we wont get to see ozil shine in the correct place in the pitch, we will fail against park the bus teams and lose la ligas, all while playing shit football. ( I maybe be too hard carlo him atm we will see).

And the overpriced one trick pony bale...He is overpriced and would get unmasked if put into a passing side. Weve never seen profficient passing skills, or football inteligence, or through balls, or ability to beat players without speed, from bale. All he is, is a countering machine with a hell of a shot, but in madrid we should strive for more than that, and its because of our reluctance that we lose our chances at real geniuses like gotze, reus, and now apparently isco. Which are much better with the ball, can do much more with it, and are much cheaper.

I think that answers your question

What do i expect from mourinho in chelsea? These are different circumstances, maybe hes happy here and vice versa, i dont know but to leave it shortly, dont expect great deals in transfers if mou is given big authority, all i can say is he will do atleast ok we will see. but the best case scenario is that he is given time, and he wins by keeping player morale high and keeping a good grip of the areas in football by winning. Worst case scenario is that there is YET ANOTHER COMBUSTION and everything goes to hell; the relationships the football, EVERYTHING. DO NOT expect to see revolutionizing football like Bayern's or barca's Or Dortmund, or simply put technical, like Athletic Bilbao's last season.

If anything i would like to inform many here to reconsider your view of mourinho if your are capable enough to realize that your view of him is overrated and miscalculated, IF THAT IS INDEED THE CASE ATLEAST. I feel i explained the reasoning behind this well.

Was given total control of the madrid ship and sent it crashing into flames. He was not the right man for the job.

Madrid is an incredibly hard job, lets face it he got Ronaldo firing, and he wont do that every again I can promise you that, 47 goals in the league was it? That won't happen again.

He also won you the title, one La Liga in 3 years when you have the best team in the world playing in your league, yeah also another hard thing to do. Just be greatful and remember your up against Barcelona, who from now will probably win all the rest of the titles for the upcoming years. I know for a fact you Madrid fans will regret saying those things you did to Mourinho.

He is not the right man for the job? who the fuck ever has been for Madrid?.

[edetarod 2,155]

is it me, or has the forum gotten alot slower lately?

[KonohasOrangeFlash 2,607]

is it me, or has the forum gotten alot slower lately?

It always does after the season is over. There's no Football and all we have to talk about is rumours.

[yuvala 2,167]

I guess it's quite personal what people want - or expect. I couldn't care less about "trophies" right now.

All I want is a manager who gets behind the players. A manager who loves the club. A manager wanted by the fans. And Jose is all this to me. If he doesn't "deliver" right away I won't mind at all - as long as I can see his passion for the club.

The last season was a nightmare for me and while I respect the fact that some Chelsea fans kind of accepted Rafa in the end I did not.

The players were divided and the fans were divided. All I want is some kind of unity again and a feeling of pride.

Well said.

[Fernando 6,376]

I guess it's quite personal what people want - or expect. I couldn't care less about "trophies" right now.

All I want is a manager who gets behind the players. A manager who loves the club. A manager wanted by the fans. And Jose is all this to me. If he doesn't "deliver" right away I won't mind at all - as long as I can see his passion for the club.

The last season was a nightmare for me and while I respect the fact that some Chelsea fans kind of accepted Rafa in the end I did not.

The players were divided and the fans were divided. All I want is some kind of unity again and a feeling of pride.

Is all fine and dandy but if we are in the verge of failing to be top 4 he will go.

Such mediocrity will not be accepted.

Was not accepted by past managers and won't make an excuse for him.

If any Mourinho set the bar high and he will have to deal with that.

That being said I don't expect a cl or pl this new season but I don't want to see a worse season then this one.

Mourinho will have to hit the ground running just like last time he was here. Especially after such a bad season in Madrid. He needs to bounce as every top manager does after a bad season.

[Martina 210]

Is all fine and dandy but if we are in the verge of failing to be top 4 he will go.

Such mediocrity will not be accepted.

Was not accepted by past managers and won't make an excuse for him.

If any Mourinho set the bar high and he will have to deal with that.

That being said I don't expect a cl or pl this new season but I don't want to see a worse season then this one.

Mourinho will have to hit the ground running just like last time he was here. Especially after such a bad season in Madrid. He needs to bounce as every top manager does after a bad season.

I don't live in the "what if" world and tend not to worry about something that hasn't happened yet.

I only expressed what is important to me as a supporter, what I want from the club and the next manager. And I'm quite confident Jose Mourinho knows more about football than me.

[ChelseaFanUK 1,014]

Think tonight may be the time Jose himself confirms the move after the game. He is free to do so, contractually.

[Strike 6,971]

Stop feeding the Madrid troll. Even I made the mistake of taking him seriously. It's all an attempt to get Chelsea fans wound up

[Kojo 4,676]

Mourinho is gay!

[NishC300 1,865]

well true fans will support him, but my fear is the plastic fans and press putting him down and we all know that will lead to Roman sacking him.

Paul Parker would seize that as an opportunity to 'promote' himself even more. It would be a terrible mistake if we showed impatience when we FINALLY got Jose back.

[1chelsea 864]

Mourinho is gay!

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[Strike 6,971]

I hope the board don't ditch the plan they made these last 2 seasons with the young players they've signed. Jose should be asked to develop these players along with delivering success

[edenhazard17 281]

Think tonight may be the time Jose himself confirms the move after the game. He is free to do so, contractually.

Surely he will attending his last post-match conference?

Or he will take a flight to London immediately?

[Jase 43,479]

I hope the board don't ditch the plan they made these last 2 seasons with the young players they've signed. Jose should be asked to develop these players along with delivering success

Don't think the board will just ditch the plan that we have started to pursue in last few years. The squad needs to be rebuilded and FFP is coming in as well. If anything, the board will ditch Mourinho first.

[The Skipper 20,593]

If he does attend the final press conference, he should expect questions about him joining us in multitude.

[Waterfall 893]

Gonçalo Lopes ‏@_GoncaloLopes10m

Rui Faria, Silvio and José Morais, the only three that will follow Mourinho to #Chelsea

[Fernando 6,376]

I don't live in the "what if" world and tend not to worry about something that hasn't happened yet.

I only expressed what is important to me as a supporter, what I want from the club and the next manager. And I'm quite confident Jose Mourinho knows more about football than me.

Is funny cause the whole "what if" world was like that this whole season under Benitez.

I'm saying things like I said for Benitez.

If he does this then good.

If he does that then bad.

I'm not a Benitez fc, torres fc, or Mourinho fc fan.

Despite Mourinho doing good in the past, he still is required some minimum standard like any manager.

So yes that's the what if scenario.

[Steve 10,227]

http://www.firstrow1.eu/watch/189447/2/watch-real-madrid-vs-osasuna.html

Stream to the game. So much press there waiting for him to come out...