The Mourinho Thread

[Rhino's Skin 972]

I don't like it when accusations were thrown around, i asked for a some proof and the one thing i get is search for yourself.

I didn't make those claims, but it seems difficult for you to find it, so i leave it here.

I don't want a personal battle before it gets messy.

Regards.

damn.....just as I thought this might get juicy and my name was thrown in the mix ;-)

[MrBlueGuy 1,552]

It is inevitable that a part way will be happening soon, maybe Roman may wait until the end of this season and sacrifice this season for the sake of putting his faith in Jose one last time. A tiger just cannot change its diet, if Jose really 'change' from who he was before he wouldn't have as much success and this is the painful truth him and many fans are too afraid to admit. When he tried to play 'attacking football' during the beginning of his 2nd spell, we went on a horrible run and he has to reverse back to his normal tactics, we thought the breakthrough came last season for the first part but then again after a 5-3 defeat to Spurs things are back to the 'Jose way' as usual.

Then there is the stability which people keep suggesting, is it really worth sticking with someone as unstable as him? Does a manager that really craves stability goes and create headlines for the wrong reasons every week? If it is not attacking your own staff, own player then it is the repetitive old rhetoric about referees and conspiracies against Chelsea FC by the FA, the media and by whoever else he can think of. Did he ever put his hand up and admit that he is wrong for once? The fact that despite all the success he has devided the fans this much shows why he is not a long man for the long term, when Carlo was sacked everyone was partly shocked with the way it happened and some even felt it was harsh, this is far from it. The frustating thing with Mourinho is that he doesn't know when to stop, it is like falling into a hole and instead of trying to climb back out he just want to go further and deeper into it. Why does he never hold his hand up and accept some mistakes? it is always everyone else's fault though otherwise he wouldn't be that 'special' anymore right?

Let's see what happens this Sat against Liverpool, if we lose and he knew before hand that he got to go if that is the case then in his interview after the game he should announce live on TV that he is resigning as Chelsea's manager and thanks the club, Roman and the fans for a 'good' 2nd spell at Chelsea but if his past is anything to go by he will go one last rant/attacking other people like he always does when he has to leave a job on a bad term previously. Let's see him showing his 'love' for Chelsea as many are claiming by offering to 'resign' and forfeit £30m compensation or at least majority of it, let's see if he is willing to put 'talk' above 'material like money' because they say love cannot be bought right?

[Ainsley Harriott 2,732]

I don't like it when accusations were thrown around, i asked for a some proof and the one thing i get is search for yourself.

I didn't make those claims, but it seems difficult for you to find it, so i leave it here.

I don't want a personal battle before it gets messy.

Regards.

All you shit Jose haters and Eva lovers let me say this Jose don't owe you any explanation on this issue only the owner and secondly all you bringing all sort of link from Jose hater to prove your point go support order manager you love. Jose said his staying for a long time but no you making decisions for him or reads his mind or know the future so much that he his ruin the club fine this for you "F[emoji121]️" always been negative or criticising his action, his style of play, his decision making and others I tell you this "you never like him" if always you see wrong in his actions and don't see any bad in other coaches like wenger/pep and so on go on support them and you should know at his level he can not take decision from you the INTERNET MANAGER go build you own team let see what will come of you.

Dad I want this toy Dad I want that toy didn't your Dad tell you he can make toy but buy them if he can't build one for you that is reality for you folks. You want all and all flow of football on your team you want the best signing on your team you want the best manager on your team this not video game this reality people. You can't get everything you piece of shit. Take what you get manage and move that reality.

Visually yes I can do/get that what am thinking yes you do but take all that shove it up your ass

Today we be saying if only we can get Suarez in our team he should be our cunt or if Pep or any other manager can shit in my opinion or my life or sleep with my wife or I will do gay for him but can handle Jose madness as long as he is around kill yourself have a bright morning haters

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COME ON CHELSEA !!! ( we don't hear that anymore here with all the moaning and plastic fans )

So glad to hear Mourinho chants today, that man deserves it. Good to see our greatest ever manager getting the respect he deserves. All the fickle fans on here, shame on you!

You know, I think the best thing possible would be for us to finish in the bottom half of the table so some of the shit that claims to "support" us fucks off to City or United.

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Imagine wanting the greatest manager in the history of the club to get the sack because we've "only" won four out of our nine games this season :lol:

Happy now? Regards.

[Rhino's Skin 972]

Happy now? Regards.

shoite and mudslinging gets thrown both ways on every football forum where keyboard cowboys rule the roost.

Everyone from the totally inept no nuffink nonces to the totally blinkered ardent supporter all do their fair bit....but I do find its those edging towards former category tend to be more abusive to players, managers and sometimes other posters

[nowhereman 7]

Mourinho is a divisive, controversial figure and is unlikely to bring stability in the long run, plus his brand of football is usually boring, but his cult of personality at Chelsea is so strong that I think it's unwise to sack him before the end of the season or even the end of the contract. If he is shown the door early, whoever succeeds him will have to face an uphill task of reshaping the way the club play under the pressure of instant success from the tens of thousands of vocal Mourinho fans who will be ready to call for his head at the earliest sign of trouble.

[Stats 7,147]

It's a privilege, to have the worlds best manager at our club. Some fans on here don't deserve Mourinho.

I don't get these type of comments. We are 15th, not top 4. We have not had 1 convincing display in the league this season. Fans should be happy with that right? Ridiculous. People acting as if no other manager or interim coach would be doing better. Fact is we have some quality players and to be in this position is a disaster. How can you keep defending Mourinho with this form and the awful style of football being played? Then all the baggage he is causing as well. We don't need all of this. I will support him while he is in charge but people need to stop making it look as if we can't move on without him. We have won all major trophies in the last decade without him in charge and even if he was to go at some point, we will always be Chelsea and in the long run competing for trophies.

[Fulham Broadway 17,332]

Indeed. Everything is normal. Team is 15th in the league, but thats normal. 1 win in 7 games. Normal, that happens in the best families. Poor football. Normal. Just sky ceating soap opera, despite the club feeling forced to release a dreaded vote of confidence.

The situation is so normal that everyday we have at least 10 posts in TC quoting a pundit, ex-player or manager, "backing" Mourinho, to prove the situation is normal.

I'm so glad Mourinho will keep his job even if his team lose 6-0 to Liverpool, or if he can't turn things around, the club stays out of top 4 or have a poor performance in UCL, you know, the fans are signing and tomorrow Drogba or Wayne Bridge will back him, and some article will say he still is the best around.

I'm so glad.

Its such a crisis. Such a crisis, a club having a dip in form, I mean this never happens. So abnormal that the board, and the clubs greatest servants over the decades back the clubs stance. So abnormal that all the attending fans arent singing "Jose out!". "Bring back Big Phil" he'll sort it. Such a state of affairs all we can do is be negative. This is the way forward.

I am so miserable.

[Azul 1,615]

There are rumours that AVB might return..... thoughts?

[BlueLion. 21,491]

Happy now? Regards.

No, not happy, considering we're 16th. But happy the board are, for the first time in my living memory, backing a Chelsea manager despite results being poor.

[didierforever 7,349]

No, not happy, considering we're 16th. But happy the board are, for the first time in my living memory, backing a Chelsea manager despite results being poor.

i am kind of awed by the board. but honestly,

do you think jose is the man to take us forward?

if we dont get CL or even european spt (both of which seem very likely), do u think jose is the person who can take the team forward while integrating youth.

look at what he has done with RLC. for 2 weeks (international break), all he said was RLC is ready, he is ready and he is ready. villa, kiev, whu and even stoke in league cup and RLC has played a total of 45 minutes while how many minutes has someone like cesc got. even the slightest bit of a problem and all he can do is go back to his "untouchables" even if they are a totally out of form cesc and hazard or an inconsistent matic.

our attacking play is so poor that we actually have not scored a goal from an attacking move in 6 matches.

there is no youth integration and i doubt there ever will be with jose. we would rather buy papy than give kalas/omeruo a chance. we would rather play the worst player in PL, at that moment, than try something with baba. i mean, i just cant see a positive right now considering what our situation is going to be next season and the foreseeable future with jose at the fore.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

No, not happy, considering we're 16th. But happy the board are, for the first time in my living memory, backing a Chelsea manager despite results being poor.

The board is only backing him so far because they fucked up with that 4 years deal at the start of the season. The 30+ million pounds aside, the board of any top English team in our position would have fired their manager by now.

[BlueLion. 21,491]

i am kind of awed by the board. but honestly,

do you think jose is the man to take us forward?

if we dont get CL or even european spt (both of which seem very likely), do u think jose is the person who can take the team forward while integrating youth.

look at what he has done with RLC. for 2 weeks (international break), all he said was RLC is ready, he is ready and he is ready. villa, kiev, whu and even stoke in league cup and RLC has played a total of 45 minutes while how many minutes has someone like cesc got. even the slightest bit of a problem and all he can do is go back to his "untouchables" even if they are a totally out of form cesc and hazard or an inconsistent matic.

our attacking play is so poor that we actually have not scored a goal from an attacking move in 6 matches.

there is no youth integration and i doubt there ever will be with jose. we would rather buy papy than give kalas/omeruo a chance. we would rather play the worst player in PL, at that moment, than try something with baba. i mean, i just cant see a positive right now considering what our situation is going to be next season and the foreseeable future with jose at the fore.

My honest answer: I'm not sure.

When you say "take us forward", can you quantify that? As in, take us forward a couple more years, or take us forward for a decade? In the first instance, yes, but in the second, then no. He's only ever been a short- to mid-term manager and I doubt that will ever change/

He has always had the issues of negative football and a lack of youth integration, but you can look past that when you're winning titles. We're not even winning games, at the moment, so he's getting hit by both barrels.

It's hard to see positives, but if we sack him now, who is there better to bring in?

[stroey 2,525]

Henry: THERE is only one man who can turn Chelsea’s season around and he is already in place at Stamford Bridge: Mourinho.

Jose Mourinho is the club’s most successful manager and it makes no sense for them to get rid of the man who put them on the football map.
When he said the other week that there is no better manager for Chelsea out there, he was telling the truth.
It would be a massive mistake to even think about replacing him so soon after handing him a new four-year contract.
We want the best managers in the world working in England. And Mourinho is one of the greats.
So I hope that Roman Abramovich gives him the time and respect he deserves to rectify the first serious slump of his career.
The only people in football who would be happy to see him sacked are the other managers who know he can stop them from winning the title.


If Mourinho was being judged on his work rather than his behaviour, there would not even be a debate about his future.
For me, he is one of the best managers of all time.
The success he has achieved with four clubs in four different countries is almost unprecedented.
So it seems that people are jumping at the chance to kick him when he is down because they don’t like the things he says and the way he acts on the touchlines.
But is it really such a surprise that he has been arguing with referees and falling out with the authorities when results have not gone his way? That’s the way he has always been and it’s the way he will always be.


Chelsea knew exactly what they were getting when they brought him back to Stamford Bridge in 2013.

He acted the same way when he was delivering them the league and Capital One Cup double last season.
When Mourinho was winning, everyone laughed at his press conferences.
But now he is losing and suddenly people are using his comments as a stick to beat him with.
In the past, he would whip up a media storm to divert attention from a rare poor performance.
It was his way of protecting his players from criticism.
But because there have been so many poor performances this season, it has been one long storm.


t’s not easy for any top player to be criticized or questioned but it’s what you have to expect when you play for a coach like Mourinho.
That’s the way it was for me with Pep Guardiola and Arsene Wenger.
And I’m sure it was the same working for Alex Ferguson, Carlo Ancelotti or Marcello Lippi.
These are the most demanding coaches in the world and that is what makes them so special.
So, of course, it is difficult for Nemanja Matic to take when he is sent on a substitute and then hauled off again.
And, yes, it is a blow to the pride of John Terry when he is taken off at half-time like he was at Manchester City.

But they both know that they wouldn’t have achieved half as much in their careers without Mourinho’s help.
So I don’t believe that his players have downed tools and turned their backs on the man who has helped them to win so many trophies.
Now it is down to those players to stick together, work harder than at any other stage of their careers and get Chelsea back on track at the top end of the table.
Whenever you win the title you need to be even more motivated the following season because all of your rivals are gunning for you and have worked out a plan to stop you.
At the moment, teams are no longer scared of playing Chelsea.


They have seen the likes of Crystal Palace and Southampton win at Stamford Bridge and others believe they can do the same.
Liverpool lost their Anfield invincibility when Arsenal won the league title on the final day of the season in 1989 — and they have struggled to get it back.
Chelsea have to make sure the same thing does not happen to them and the only way they can do that is by putting a long winning run together.
It is already too late for them to save their Premier League title but I still believe they can secure a top-four finish this season.

They are currently nine points behind third-placed West Ham, with 28 games remaining, so there is plenty of time to turn things around.
But every week I say to myself ‘Chelsea are far too good for this run to carry on’ and then they lose at West Ham and go out of the Capital One Cup at Stoke.

In their defence, I think they were unfortunate this week because they put in enough effort and commitment to get a result from both games.
But it means they must beat Liverpool at home tomorrow to avoid the pressure on the manager becoming intolerable.
Those at Anfield will believe there has never been a better time to play this fixture but Chelsea can feel the same way.
Liverpool are not in a good way at the moment.
And they are still trying to adapt to the demands of their new manager, Jurgen Klopp.
It’s a great opportunity for Chelsea to launch the fightback.
For Mourinho’s sake, they can’t let this one slip through their fingers.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/6716270/Thierry-Henry-on-the-ONLY-man-who-can-save-struggling-Chelsea.html

backed by Gary Neville, Jamie Carragher, Henry, Harry Redknapp, Pulis, Hughes, Bilic, Carlo Ancelotti, Pat Nevin, Zola, Lampard, Eto'o etc.

Guess these guys all know nothing about football.

[manpe 10,861]

I don't get these type of comments. We are 15th, not top 4. We have not had 1 convincing display in the league this season. Fans should be happy with that right? Ridiculous. People acting as if no other manager or interim coach would be doing better. Fact is we have some quality players and to be in this position is a disaster. How can you keep defending Mourinho with this form and the awful style of football being played? Then all the baggage he is causing as well. We don't need all of this. I will support him while he is in charge but people need to stop making it look as if we can't move on without him. We have won all major trophies in the last decade without him in charge and even if he was to go at some point, we will always be Chelsea and in the long run competing for trophies.

It's pointless to argue. There is the "best manager in the world" camp who are sentimental and clingy to history, then there is the camp of people like you and me who are cold and calculated. The argumentations reflect that, both sides provide valid opinions and points. Maybe it has something to do with zodiac signs?

I, for example, would be over the moon if Mourinho had managed to deliver his promises when he came back. As a Chelsea fan I naturally view him in a different light and I would love nothing more than for him to keep being successful. But he is failing now, and him failing = Chelsea failing, and as a cold and calculated argument, I don't particularly like seeing something or someone I'm attached to failing. In my eyes he only deserves to stay if he shows improvement and starts delivering his promises, I'm not basing what he deserves on his past achievements. We need him to be the best in the present, not in the past. Now more than ever.

[Fernando 6,585]

I actually like the idea of Mourinho taking a sabbatical and coming back to the club.

Man needs a rest.

But of course that would never happen.

[bethos1 802]

He said he was going to make us play attacking football, if he can't do that I see no reason for him to stay.

[borriske 330]

No, not happy, considering we're 16th. But happy the board are, for the first time in my living memory, backing a Chelsea manager despite results being poor.

I think you were missing the point of his post since it wasn't directed at you.

What disgust me most, is that the people who back Chelsea's Manager, are labeled as "mourinho worshipper" and such by those who don't, while they hide their own agenda behind the now cliché words "we want what's best for the clubs" funnily enough you never hear the term "mourinho hater" or such other terms by the people who back him.

All in all i find most of the people who back him, more level headed and less likely to start insulting other members of this board. Having different opinions and discussing them out is fantastic, that's why this forum exists, but that's not what's happening here.

So yes, i'm mostly grossed out by that.

You cannot be serious. People who don't back him are often labeled as fickle, gloryhunter, plastic, hater, you name it.

Can you please back it up?

When did i, blue_fox or others write such things?

Yes, CMS was out of line, now he's banned, consequences happen in life.

Go search for yourself, I've been here long enough to know that what I said it's true.

And I didn't say it came from you or Blue_Fox directly. Others have said it.

I don't like it when accusations were thrown around, i asked for a some proof and the one thing i get is search for yourself.

I didn't make those claims, but it seems difficult for you to find it, so i leave it here.

I don't want a personal battle before it gets messy.

Regards.

[Jase 43,479]

FOUR reasons why the club haven't sacked Mourinho yet (either one, two, three or all of them):

1. If we sack him, who can we bring in? Only big name and experienced manager out there right now is Ancelotti and even then, it seems like he intends to stick with his sabbatical plan.

2. His contract. Sack him and we have to pay 30m+. With the club being so concerned about the FFP and obsessed with the finance, doubt they would want to take that hit.

3. The club are owning up to their mistakes made in the summer (e.g regarding transfers) and not blaming Mourinho entirely for the mess we're in now. They intend to give him time/chance to fix it by backing him in the future transfer windows.

4. Maybe the club are serious about wanting stability with the manager, even if the results aren't great on the pitch.

[Cosmin 2,484]

Who says that there will be no UCL football on Stamford Bridge next season? What if we win the Uefa Champions League or Europa League trophy? I am serious. We finished 6th in the league in 2012.

[xPetrCechx 13,573]

What will happen if we will draw tomorrow?