The Mourinho Thread

[Fernando 6,585]

For the same reason players barely move from SA directly to Europe's top clubs. Because they prefer to pay millions to clubs like Atletico, Porto, Shakthar, Benfica, Ajax, etc, than to do a proper scouting job and allow playing time so the players can develop and shine.

A club like Chelsea usually doesnt want to take the risk in signing a relatively unknown Argentinean who has only won things in South American instead of signing a big markee European name. Even if the manager has shown to be quality and pay-off can be huge.

It is just how things are...

We are so crappy and nothing to lose any gamble we take right now is low risk. Other than getting relegated there is no hope in anything.

So I would sack this clown and get anyone.

Bielsa, sampaoli, Emery, whatever and see how it goes for the rest of the season.

[Blue_Fox_ 2,086]

I sent my CV to Roman, i have decent football knowledge, i will definitely cost less and i will promote youth. I also used the card of being italian, and each time we have an italian manager we win something, who knows maybe i could sneak in a CL or EL, depends what my predecessor will do against Porto.
Anyway, see you at the bridge lads.

[Fernando 6,585]

Would love to give this guy a try.

He is too crazy for long term but for what is left with nothing to play its worth a try.... I take for granted FA cup and cl as foregone. We are too crap to hope anything else then quick elimination in those competitions.

[Jase 43,479]

Norwich v Everton

Man C v Swansea

Sunderland v Watford

Bournemouth v Man United

Aston Villa v Arsenal

Fuck me it's worrying when you can't even rely on City, United or Arsenal to do us a favour..

Aston Villa can't catch us...for now. You left out Tottenham v Newcastle. It's unlikely all of those teams will win but given the nonsense that has happened this season, I wouldn't rule that scenario out.

[Kajo 176]

All valid points but Hazard has still been awful.

The question is who wasn't?

[Changingman_2000 876]

I am a huge Mourinho fan, huge, and, up to Bournemouth, I was pleased, delighted, that the vast majority of fans were still so openly and vocally backing him. After all, managers nowadays get so little time to prove themselves in a job and the turnaround is frankly fucking ridiculous. Gary Monk, for example, the Swans go on a poor run and he's immediately under pressure, it really is too much and is now at the point of being beyond farcical.

Bournemouth changed everything I think. The fans, for the first time this season, turned. Because Jose is Jose, it doesn't give him the right not to be scrutinized by the fans and media alike. In my opinion, since returning, he has made a number of critical failings, both in the transfer market, player selection and tactics.

Transfers:

Incoming: Costa, Matic, Fabregas, Luis - All failures, The first three had a tremendous initial impact in the team, before dropping off alarmingly. Luis, just didn't seem to get the chance, and preferred playing a right back out of position. Rahman? Time will tell, initial sign's are not looking promising. That centre half from St Ettiene? Why? why? Cuadrado??

Outgoing: Mata (No need for Mata? Really?), Lukako? (Pardew is right, the next Drogba in the making, therefore he belongs at Chelsea), Schurrie? (When did Cuadrado ever look better than Schurrie?)

Selection:

Dropping Cesc deeper was, and is a mistake, he don't mark, don't tackle, therefore Sherlock, he don't fit in that position. Sidelining Ramires for so much of last season, when Matic and Fabregas were clearly struggling, was a mistake, then there is the curious case of Ruben Loftus-Cheek.

Tactics:

As I said, Fabregas deeper was/is a mistake. And the most fundamental aspect of his tactical failings is there for all to see. Not just Chelsea, but every 'big' team (except worryingly not the Yids) are struggling when playing the smaller teams now. Remember not so long ago when Brian Robson sent a West Brom fringe team to The Bridge for their first away game of the season, result? 6-0 Chelsea, Robson's response? "not fussed, playing Chelsea isn't our target games, I'm keeping my players fresh for the teams around us" (and that was West Brom's second game of the season! Not any more, Bradford in the FA Cup changed everything, the 'smaller' teams are now playing without any fear whatsoever against the big boys, and are really reaping the rewards. In turn, the big teams don't like it up them, and are being found out, big time. Jose is, rightly, marked down as THE master tactician, THE master motivator, well, not any more, he doesn't have an answer to this positive tactical change from the smaller teams. He ain't alone, but other teams are for their fans to worry about, we have our own concerns. Saying on Friday that "Costa has had a good week" then play against fucking Bournemouth without a striker?

January is just over three weeks away, if he lasts that long then he is going to have to get busy, very busy. It's a shite time to buy, but buy we must. He could easily flog 3/4 of the current first team and no one would bat an eyelid.So, so many fucking players are so, so blatantly under performing constantly.

Personally, If Porto knock us out of the Champs League, and we lose away at Leicester on Monday then I think he's gone. He really should walk, instead of hanging about for compo. Leicester away, now, is frightening, and that is fucking pathetic.

[Tomo 21,751]

I am a huge Mourinho fan, huge, and, up to Bournemouth, I was pleased, delighted, that the vast majority of fans were still so openly and vocally backing him. After all, managers nowadays get so little time to prove themselves in a job and the turnaround is frankly fucking ridiculous. Gary Monk, for example, the Swans go on a poor run and he's immediately under pressure, it really is too much and is now at the point of being beyond farcical.

Bournemouth changed everything I think. The fans, for the first time this season, turned. Because Jose is Jose, it doesn't give him the right not to be scrutinized by the fans and media alike. In my opinion, since returning, he has made a number of critical failings, both in the transfer market, player selection and tactics.

Transfers:

Incoming: Costa, Matic, Fabregas, Luis - All failures, The first three had a tremendous initial impact in the team, before dropping off alarmingly. Luis, just didn't seem to get the chance, and preferred playing a right back out of position. Rahman? Time will tell, initial sign's are not looking promising. That centre half from St Ettiene? Why? why? Cuadrado??

Outgoing: Mata (No need for Mata? Really?), Lukako? (Pardew is right, the next Drogba in the making, therefore he belongs at Chelsea), Schurrie? (When did Cuadrado ever look better than Schurrie?)

Selection:

Dropping Cesc deeper was, and is a mistake, he don't mark, don't tackle, therefore Sherlock, he don't fit in that position. Sidelining Ramires for so much of last season, when Matic and Fabregas were clearly struggling, was a mistake, then there is the curious case of Ruben Loftus-Cheek.

Tactics:

As I said, Fabregas deeper was/is a mistake. And the most fundamental aspect of his tactical failings is there for all to see. Not just Chelsea, but every 'big' team (except worryingly not the Yids) are struggling when playing the smaller teams now. Remember not so long ago when Brian Robson sent a West Brom fringe team to The Bridge for their first away game of the season, result? 6-0 Chelsea, Robson's response? "not fussed, playing Chelsea isn't our target games, I'm keeping my players fresh for the teams around us" (and that was West Brom's second game of the season! Not any more, Bradford in the FA Cup changed everything, the 'smaller' teams are now playing without any fear whatsoever against the big boys, and are really reaping the rewards. In turn, the big teams don't like it up them, and are being found out, big time. Jose is, rightly, marked down as THE master tactician, THE master motivator, well, not any more, he doesn't have an answer to this positive tactical change from the smaller teams. He ain't alone, but other teams are for their fans to worry about, we have our own concerns. Saying on Friday that "Costa has had a good week" then play against fucking Bournemouth without a striker?

January is just over three weeks away, if he lasts that long then he is going to have to get busy, very busy. It's a shite time to buy, but buy we must. He could easily flog 3/4 of the current first team and no one would bat an eyelid.So, so many fucking players are so, so blatantly under performing constantly.

Personally, If Porto knock us out of the Champs League, and we lose away at Leicester on Monday then I think he's gone. He really should walk, instead of hanging about for compo. Leicester away, now, is frightening, and that is fucking pathetic.

I'm on the other end of the scale with manager sackings, for me very very few don't have very good reasons as to why it's happened.

The main example for me is Southampton, when Nigel Adkins was sacked the footballing nation was in outrage, yet it turned out to be one of the best decisions a club has ever made 're a manager.

That's why I don't like the argument of this manager isn't doing bad and doesn't deserve the sack, sometimes (like with Adkins) they don't get sacked because they are doing bad, they get sacked because there is a better manager ready and wanting the job, players do well and get upgraded on all the time, so why can't managers?

[Henrique 9,133]

I'm starting to think the relegation talk is that absurd at all.

Two last league victories were against Aston Villa and a poor 1-0 result against Norwich. Thats really worrying.

[Henrique 9,133]

Its really funny to think the board is trying to look serious and mature giving Mourinho full support, but day after day they are looking even more clownish, with the team closer and closer to the precipice and still giving the Special One full support to turn things around.

[Hybrid Angel 2,130]

The more and more I think of it I come to the conclusion that Mourinho sold Chelsea's future, players-wise and footballing-wise, to a league title. Before his arrival, we were signing attacking players and had a plan to develop youth. All of a sudden the board decides to give Jose Mourinho the control of a squad that is fully contrasting to the style of Football he likes to play. What where they thinking?

Now we have to rise again. We have good attacking players but the longer Mourinho stays, the greater chance that they will run for their career towards a team that plays good Football. Out of all managers we could have backed, we have chose the most wrong one. Our board is very amazingly incompetent.

[Henrique 9,133]

Mourinho still in charge at this point, while Ancelotti, RDM and even AVB were fired when the club was in better situation, speaks loud about a board that just doesn't know what they are doing.

The board is refusing to take responsabilities. Its suppa covenient to have Mourinho in charge, he is such a big football character, the press keep saying he is the best ever and that keeping his job is the right thing to do, Jose still is popular with the fans (who usually don't have a clue about what running a football club is about), so Mourinho is the perfect scapegoat, he is the perfect manager for a weak board.

His presence create the false appearence that they are doing things right,. The board just don't have the balls to make bold decisions, like firing Mourinho, or giving support to an unproven manager. There is nothing special in showing Mourinho full support, actually thats the easiest thing to do. When the team is getting Barcelona rejects and selling Mata, KDB, Lukaku, Luiz anc company, Mourinho is behind the whole thing, so who can blame the board? You know, he is Jose Mourinho, so he must know what he is doing, and no one will say a bad word about a club who just let the amazing Mourinho do his job.

If the team face a terrible season, fail to even reach the top 4, don't get UCL football or even Europa League football, again no one will say a bad word about the board. Who can blame a club to giving full support to Jose Mourinho? Probably the best manager ever, best manager in club history, football genius, Special One.

[stroey 2,525]

Jose Mourinho future: Chelsea manager realises Porto defeat in Champions League could be fatal

Roman Abramovich still wants to keep Jose Mourinho as manager despite Chelsea suffering an eighth league defeat of a miserable season on Saturday, but there is a growing fear in the club’s higher circles that Champions League elimination on Wednesday could force the owner’s hand.

Sources have told The Independent there has been widespread belief around both Mourinho and the club in the last week that he has got past the worst of the crisis and that “the storm is over” – as was reflected in the manager’s upbeat mood in his press conference before the Bournemouth game. Yet a 1-0 defeat to a Glenn Murray goal has caused doubt to resurface, and Chelsea must now avoid defeat to Porto at Stamford Bridge on Wednesday to ensure they reach the last 16 of the Champions League.

Although the possibility of sacking Mourinho has at least been discussed at the top level of the club a few times this season, Abramovich has remained strong in his belief that the Portuguese should be given time to turn things around, partially because the owner wants Chelsea to start doing things differently and partially because of the lack of options.

To strengthen that position, the club is willing to make significant funds available for a shake-up in the transfer window next month. Mourinho recently played down the idea of new purchases, but it is known that he feels the squad is too small – leading to an over-reliance on core players which has played into this season’s bad start – that he wants another central defender and to greatly enhance his attack.

There is an acknowledgement at the top of the club that the lack of forward options has not helped Mourinho, especially since he seems to have resolved defensive issues, despite the somewhat chaotic nature of Murray’s winner on Saturday. Diego Costa is the only top-class forward they have, but his poor form led the manager to start him on the bench again on Saturday, putting Eden Hazard up front once more. Beyond that, Loïc Rémy is not seen as a starter, and the club will look to move Radamel Falcao on in January.

It has meant that, even though Chelsea have started to keep clean sheets again, they are barely scoring. The champions have got only one goal in their last four league games, so the club will look to aid Mourinho next month.

Chelsea have been monitoring Alex Teixeira of Shakhtar Donetsk, and their hand has been strengthened by the Ukrainian club’s elimination from the Champions League, but Mourinho’s side could yet find themselves in a similar situation.

A draw against Porto on Wednesday would definitely put the English champions into the next round, but the concern is that their home form has been so poor, and they have already been beaten by inferior sides to the Portuguese at Stamford Bridge this season. It is set to be a nervous night in west London, and some at the club believe that could influence Abramovich’s thinking. The Russian is known to prize the Champions League far above all other competitions, and one factor that has bolstered his belief that Mourinho can turn things around has been that they have stayed on course in that competition.

Defeat could change that, though, and cause another round of intense discussion at the top of the club. It would mark just the second time they have gone out at the group stage since Abramovich took over in 2003.

Mourinho has not been given an ultimatum or anything of the sort, but is aware that Wednesday could be a defining game.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/jose-mourinho-future-chelsea-manager-realises-porto-defeat-in-champions-league-could-be-fatal-a6762486.html

[bellion 170]

It's amusing to see the number of Mourinho fanboys online who behave very much like sychophants rather than a real Chelsea fan whose allegiance should be towards the club rather than this stinker of a manager.

If it is true that the matchgoing fans are increasingly turning against the so-called Special One at the Bournemouth game, that is hope after all at the Bridge.

Hopefully, the Board negotiates a severance package with Mourinho very soon after seeing that the Mourinho-loving blind bats are reducing in number.

[Kezza 1,965]

JT player/manager?

[Kezza 1,965]

It's amusing to see the number of Mourinho fanboys online who behave very much like sychophants rather than a real Chelsea fan whose allegiance should be towards the club rather than this stinker of a manager.

If it is true that the matchgoing fans are increasingly turning against the so-called Special One at the Bournemouth game, that is hope after all at the Bridge.

Hopefully, the Board negotiates a severance package with Mourinho very soon after seeing that the Mourinho-loving blind bats are reducing in number.

It's not being a fan boy (and quite frankly I disregard anybody's argument who using the term 'fanboy') it's supporting a manager who's going through a rough patch..but now this rough patch is more of a dirty smear which has everyone second guessing whether he can turn it around.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

When the team is in bad form, manager deserves time to get it back on track.

But when the same manager insists with Ivanovic over Azpilicueta, when he claims we need "height" despite we dont have a proper free kick/corner crosser. And when the manager who is all about work rate and off the ball movement and fighting spirit keeps playing Fabregas who is absolute wanker. And when manager doesnt give a chance to RLC (for who said he will be given proper chance) despite our team is out of form for months, then I have my doubts.

We play like shit. We have shit results. We dont evolve youth. We dont improve individualy or on team level. Not to mention all the off-pitch crap we had this season.

Noting wrong with bad form. It comes back and there is little a manager can do. But decisions are all his. And Mou is making bad decision after bad decision for some time now. Its his philosophy. And that wont change.

[xPetrCechx 13,571]

All the newspapers suggest that Jose can lose his job if we will lose to porto...

[bellion 170]

It's not being a fan boy (and quite frankly I disregard anybody's argument who using the term 'fanboy') it's supporting a manager who's going through a rough patch..but now this rough patch is more of a dirty smear which has everyone second guessing whether he can turn it around.

It's crystal clear that the current predicament the club is in is more than just a blip or a bad patch.

Supporting a manager who is making changes and trying new formations and players is a given.

The line is drawn when said manager insists on his stubborn actions with picking under performers (Ivanovic and Fabregas) every single damn game, telling porkies such as blooding youth when Loftus-Cheek has been kicked down the pecking order behind the likes of Mikel and Ramires and being tactically inflexible with the double pivot of Matic and Fabregas.

All the while blaming the refs, the fans, the FA, the press, opposing teams, fellow managers and anyone or anything except himself.

The Mourinho sychopants take it one step futher - they blame Eva for causing the team's downfall! Anything other than their precious "Special One".

Porto will do one over us and hopefully that will be the end of the misery at the Bridge casued by ONE man!

[kingofchelseadom 41]

see ya later Jose. Chelsea to beat Porto? I wont hold my breath.

[bellion 170]

All the newspapers suggest that Jose can lose his job if we will lose to porto...

For once, I hope the press are slam-dunking this!