stroey 2,525 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Saw this on Reddit todayWe have been seriously off the pace for some time now. Last season, we got 41 points from the second half of the season, a decent haul. However when tallied since January, the warning signs last season become crystal clear. Of the 17 teams in the Premier League for both seasons, we are 9th.Arsenal: 72 Man City: 65 Man Utd: 64 Leicester: 60 Spurs: 59 Southampton: 58 Liverpool: 57 Everton: 57 Chelsea: 56 Crystal Palace: 54 Stoke: 51 West Brom: 46 Swansea: 42 West Ham: 39 Sunderland 30 Newcastle: 26 Aston Villa: 23Now obviously, I will pre-empt this by saying that this shouldn't be directly inferred from. Clubs may have harder schedules one half of the season and that won't be accounted for, only looking at a calendar year. But it is nevertheless telling of just how pedestrian Chelsea's results have been for quite some time now in the league. In the last 3 months or so, pedestrian doesn't even begin to cover it( Since beating Arsenal we have collected 8 points from 9 games).The reason I'm posting is, is not to call for scapegoating or knee-jerk reactions, but because I'm tired of deflections of bad form or bad luck. There is no way bad form is this consistent, this prolonged or this widespread among the entire squad. There has been no real response or reaction, our form is only stagnating. Burying our heads in the sand about it serves no purpose. We'll see how the rest of December goes but we are on track to get 63 points from 38 league games.This doesn't rest on one person's head. Or one transfer window. Neither are faultless.Either the squad is complacent and mentally weak or they are burnt out or the dressing room is lost. A combination of the three in varying factors is more than possible. Thoughts?Says nothing because we played for nothing but pride anymore after 35 matches. We were 13 points clear of City after match day 35 (Crystal Palace) and won the league, and we still had 3 noncompetitive games where we had nothing to lose, in those remaining games we dropped 5 points, drew with Pool, lost vs WBA, beat Sunderland.So in the first half of the season we had 46, second half of the season 41 points, 87 in total, not that much of a contrast considering we dropped 5 points in noncompetitive games. The problem is solely this season, 15 points after 15 games. If you want to talk about playing style and form, then that's another story. Essien19 and Johnnyeye 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmk108 1,186 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Sir Alex has always backed his fellow managers and defended their jobs even when they are indefensible, even Moyes, he's very old school and firmly belives in managerial stabilty and giving them time.If Pellegrino starts piping up then defiently he has an ulterior motive but Fergie not so much.And he dealt with the "sack fergie" in the beginning of his tenure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando 6,743 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 If we are going to be technical about it, he is the first manager to win it for God knows how long with a negative net spend the previous summer.True that, but you do understand why?Why you think we couldn't do it this summer?Because we had to sell to buy, and we no longer have assets to sell. 11Drogba 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtowle182 79 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 "Standing by" is an euphemism for sharpening the axe until the time is right which 'i reckon is when the match-going fans turn on Mounrinho.When blind Mourinho followers or fanboys stand by their idol even in the face of relegation due to his stubborness and ego, that is what I would consider a ridiculous situation. So it's his stubbornness and ego and not class players playing like u21s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzchap 8,966 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 And he dealt with the "sack fergie" in the beginning of his tenure.Poles apart you can't draw any parallels to then and now.He inherited a team of drinkers and layabouts, is that the problem we currently have? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzchap 8,966 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 So it's his stubbornness and ego and not class players playing like u21sMonkey see monkey do, normally you look to the manager for inspiration. However, he's a bigger child than most, so yeah - he is culpable...His actions have led to the players not performing. Therefore he has failed and must be got rid off ASAP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DYC. 7,542 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Have you ever thought of becoming an "erotic novelist"? .........Well you've got me picturing her now!!!!!!!!!!!!!That's the plan after I retire from my career in space travel and adult films. Starman60 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmk108 1,186 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Poles apart you can't draw any parallels to then and now.He inherited a team of drinkers and layabouts, is that the problem we currently have? No, but to Fergie, he's seen it before and saw what happened when the club stood by its manager. It's not unreasonable for him, who's always had a good respectable relationship with Mourinho, to make a comment like that given what Fergie has done. Tomo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmk108 1,186 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Monkey see monkey do, normally you look to the manager for inspiration. However, he's a bigger child than most, so yeah - he is culpable...His actions have led to the players not performing. Therefore he has failed and must be got rid off ASAPIF a new manager comes in and the squad still has trouble getting results, will you blame the new manager as well, or will you start to look to the players as possible culprits?No doubt Mourinho has caused much of what's going on, but the players are underperforming on the pitch. If a new manager comes in, changes things up and the players still aren't getting the results, it's going to bring up interesting questions regarding who really cares in this team and what the hell happened. Ok, I'm done with hypotheticals for the day Muzchap 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzchap 8,966 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 No, but to Fergie, he's seen it before and saw what happened when the club stood by its manager. It's not unreasonable for him, who's always had a good respectable relationship with Mourinho, to make a comment like that given what Fergie has done.Jesus - Robbie Savage said the same thing! You think any other manager wants to say sack that manager? It just doesn't happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belgiannutt 3,201 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Easy for Fergie to say. At the end of the day he doesn't give a rat's ass about this club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickpassnmove 924 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 buon Natale! Merry Christmas!It's not Gary Neville, nor Guardiola, It's not Simeone, not Emery,It's not a bit of Koeman nor Parma Ham!Sack'm in the evening!goodbye JoseCiao Conte!buona notte! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! Stats 7,230 Posted December 7, 2015 Popular Post! Share Posted December 7, 2015 I seriously can't understand how anyone wants Mourinho to stay. We are a top club playing repulsive football. That is not even an exaggeration. We had one of the finest LB in Europe and sold him because Mourinho decided Azpi should be starting nearly every game. The fact that Mourinho thinks that is the way forward to go long term by keep playing Ivan at RB and Azpi at LB shows me his approach to football. Bertrand, Luis, who are 2 natural left footed players should never have gone but both sold. Then us being a top club, playing the likes of Liverpool and West Ham who are inferior to us and having Zouma at RB is utterly embarrassing. Just how does that work out? Look at all top teams and see one their biggest strengths is by having 2 natural FB in their correct position.I mean some people were happy with the point against Spurs. That just sums up Mourinho for me. Another manager would look at the game and look out the difference between points between the 2 and actually try to win the game. But Mourinho was happy to take a point. I just don't get that way of thinking when a club like ours is languishing near the foot of the table.Then just look at every game we have played this season in the league. We have not stringed 2 consecutive wins together and there has literally not been 1 performance in the league from us this season that has been convincing. That is unacceptable. The club going forward with Mourinho is not getting us anywhere. Losing to a Bournemouth side sums that up. That is literally zero-tolerance. Especially at home. Spurs scored 5 past them away from home. Everton scored 3 past them way from home. City scored 5 past them. We bloody lost to them with virtually our whole team fit. That speaks volumes. Even Villa and Newcastle managed to beat them. LOL and just imagine what Arsenal are going to do to them.We need someone new just to come in and get us playing how we should and I have watched enough of us to know that Mourinho is not that man. It is actually embarrassing watching what Mourinho has turned us in to. MefiX19, Hybrid Angel, Amblève. and 18 others 21 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! Special Juan 28,864 Posted December 7, 2015 Popular Post! Share Posted December 7, 2015 Apparently he will be sacked tomorrow and will take over ISIS....At least then nobody will be attacked [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23] Sovieticus, Starman60, Hybrid Angel and 8 others 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhino's Skin 972 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 . And fans are still chanting his name? That is great, nice support, thumbs up .. but why am I never hearing support for Willian or Zouma, our best performers this year? I am only hearing "Jose Mourinho" and "Diego, Diego!" ... great At the moment, the Willian song is sung more than any one regarding individuals...followed by JT double. Even Fabregas has had his one sang in an attempt to lift his performance like we used to with Torres. bellion and Muzchap 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhino's Skin 972 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Saw this on Reddit todayWe have been seriously off the pace for some time now. Last season, we got 41 points from the second half of the season, a decent haul. However when tallied since January, the warning signs last season become crystal clear. Of the 17 teams in the Premier League for both seasons, we are 9th.Arsenal: 72Man City: 65Man Utd: 64Leicester: 60Spurs: 59Southampton: 58Liverpool: 57Everton: 57Chelsea: 56Crystal Palace: 54Stoke: 51West Brom: 46Swansea: 42West Ham: 39Sunderland 30Newcastle: 26Aston Villa: 23Now obviously, I will pre-empt this by saying that this shouldn't be directly inferred from. Clubs may have harder schedules one half of the season and that won't be accounted for, only looking at a calendar year. But it is nevertheless telling of just how pedestrian Chelsea's results have been for quite some time now in the league. In the last 3 months or so, pedestrian doesn't even begin to cover it( Since beating Arsenal we have collected 8 points from 9 games).The reason I'm posting is, is not to call for scapegoating or knee-jerk reactions, but because I'm tired of deflections of bad form or bad luck. There is no way bad form is this consistent, this prolonged or this widespread among the entire squad. There has been no real response or reaction, our form is only stagnating. Burying our heads in the sand about it serves no purpose. We'll see how the rest of December goes but we are on track to get 63 points from 38 league games.This doesn't rest on one person's head. Or one transfer window. Neither are faultless.Either the squad is complacent and mentally weak or they are burnt out or the dressing room is lost. A combination of the three in varying factors is more than possible.Thoughts?yeah...if we gained the same amount of points after 15 games from now till end of season as last season..we will be sitting quite pretty...i.e. with an outside chance of 4th spot = 66 points. Just shows that last years results didnt really tail off that much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzchap 8,966 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 yeah...if we gained the same amount of points after 15 games from now till end of season as last season..we will be sitting quite pretty...i.e. with an outside chance of 4th spot = 66 points. Just shows that last years results didnt really tail off that muchIf only we had a chance of that happening - but seriously can you see us stringing a run together like that? Rhino's Skin and bellion 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhino's Skin 972 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 urm head says no. But, you know me...the eternal optimist ;-) Muzchap 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzchap 8,966 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 urm head says no. But, you know me...the eternal optimist ;-)Indeed and that's not a negative mate Just wish you'd been right and me wrong - this whole situation sucks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Apparently he will be sacked tomorrow and will take over ISIS....At least then nobody will be attacked [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]UNLESS he takes Costa with him Muzchap, didierforever, Special Juan and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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