The Mourinho Thread

[bellion 170]

If Mourinho was attempting new tactics, formations, dropping the so-called untouchables and giving youth a fair crack (not giving 5 minute camoes!) in response to negative results and performances, I would be inclined to see the Board give him at least until next summer to try and improve the current situation.

The only recent change he did was to play without a striker which makes it even worse. Negativity has become his middle name.

[Essien19 1,415]

That makes two of us because I don't agree with you sticking by with Mourinho. How long do you want to persist with him? Next summer? 3 years from now?

Mourinho isn't a long term manager and his track record shows that. Couple with his aversion to blooding youth from the academy unlike other long term coaches such as Wenger and Ferguson, it beggars belief why any sane football fan would expect Mourinho to stay for more than 3 years and continue to bring success.

He deserves his share of the criticism, but criticism and firing are two different shoes. After cutting ties i think he is gone for good.

I said before that till January, if we lose all of the upcoming games, maybe his time has come.

We'll have to discuss it then, different situation.

Jose Mourinho wanted to experience different cultures, he could have picked the easy way and stayed in Porto;

beautiful blue chair, the Uefa Champions League trophy and an exciting young squad.

At Chelsea, he delivered big time, but not good enough for the owner.

Inter, he switched (his decision) and Real Madrid; how many managers stayed there for long?

At least he gave young players a chance; Khedira, Özil, Varane, Callejon and so on.

It's okay to think differently, but it's not black and white, it's impossible to make a binary assessment, imo.

For me, the greatest manager of all time:

Sir Alex Ferguson:

"He has to trust and have confidence Jose can turn it around. There is no point in sacking one of the best coaches of all time."

'It would be foolish to take that step to sack him.

That would be bad management; it's poor leadership, that.'

'For Jose, all good leaders will eventually find a solution. He will find a solution and I think he will get back to normal. It's not looking great at the moment, but I know the guy and work he has done in football and I can't see it lasting long.'

[Tomo 21,754]

His intentions may be to settle down but his old die-hard habits remain rigid and are not subject to change - at least that's how he thinks and acts.

What really grates on me is his playing favourites with team selection and especially his mistreatment of youth and flair players. Shunting Traore and Loftus-Cheek aside most of the time and turning Hazard, Oscar and Willian into specialists in tracking back is not acceptable in my books. Not to mention his getting rid of Lukaku, Mata and De Bryune.

That has confused me a bit now, in the past he has always been quick to drop underperforming players even if they are his favroite (kissed Pepe on the forhead then dropped him for Varane weeks later) yet with Ivanovic, nothing.

With the sales however, in my opinion only kdb was an error (admittedly a big one), Lukaku didn't want to be a rotation player and we got Costa, we got good money for a player we didn't need and Lukaku got the right move for his career. Mata was a great bit of buisness for me, he tailed off in early 2013 and he hasn't been anywhere near the same player since, in fact a lot of United fans I speak to say he is invisible on the pitch sometimes and last season they critisised his end product (which was the main argument to play him over Oscar when Jose got here).

[Special Juan 28,867]

It's alright people saying he has to be trusted, but what is JM doing to try and change the fortunes of our current plight? He isn't shaking up the starting 11 to try new things, he isn't changing formation but what he is doing is playing people like Hazard into an alien position and thinks he's doing right by it. JM is also smashing the confidence of players who have performed brilliantly for us previous, take Azpilicueta for example, how on earth he is finding himself sat on the bench is fucking beyond me. Picking Ivanovic when his form stank before and still does now, but time and time again he gets the nod. A certain Mr Fabregas who is getting danced around by Championship quality midfield players and made to look a fucking mug.....All this is answerable for me.

No fucking good coming out in a PC and claiming we were unlucky...JM is a very astute type of guy and goes into great detail to analyze games from minute one until the last, what is a crying shame is he cannot analyze himself and see his own blatant short-comings. The club are stuck in the mud right now, to get out of the mud a new approach must be made, we must start introducing other players into the fold because it's quite clear that a lot of players are fucking bordering ona complete joke right now. Sat on the bench and watching this I cannot believe how anyone can't see it, it literally is as plain as the nose on your face, yet all we keep getting is regurgitated starting line ups and shite performances.

Right now I don't have a clue where we are going, I also don't think the board have a clue either. I think as bad as the last summer transfer window was, there is no direction what so ever, had there been direction we wouldn't of been bringing in people like Djiliboji and Baba, and I don't mean to be disrespectful to them but the status and what this club represents in terms of continually winning things should breed miles better quality than those two. Now is the time we need to indentify ready for the summer, the structure needs planning now on who comes and goes, no stuttering or fucking about, get it sorted now.

I don't just think JM has failed us, the players and the board have too, in a fucking massive way.

[Miki-Liki 405]

SAF basically repeated everything the fanboys have been saying, "he's the best, he won titles, give him time!". Nothing new.

I'm just wondering, how long do we have to struggle till the line in the sand is drawn?

[Fernando 6,743]

This "clown" gave you 3 League Titles so please have more respect. Yes, he is not doing a good job right now but its absurdly insulting and stupid how you and others are treating Jose Mourinho.

Criticism is one thing, being a plastic glory hunter is another...

It was Roman. As any fool can do good with money.

Look at Mancini and Pellegrini at City.

Plus you have to show respect to receive respect. This manager shows very little respect, and your asking for it? That's rich!

[Tomo 21,754]

It was Roman. As any fool can do good with money.

Look at Mancini and Pellegrini at City.

Plus you have to show respect to receive respect. This manager shows very little respect, and your asking for it? That's rich!

If we are going to be technical about it, he is the first manager to win it for God knows how long with a negative net spend the previous summer.

[xPetrCechx 13,598]

The same bullshit every week.

Nothing new, no changes.

[kmk108 1,186]

SAF basically repeated everything the fanboys have been saying, "he's the best, he won titles, give him time!". Nothing new.

I'm just wondering, how long do we have to struggle till the line in the sand is drawn?

Quit with the fanboy talk already. Not just you, everyone.

If you want to stand by the most successful manager the club has ever had and give him time (not just a few months), you're more than right to do that.

If you want the club to sack the manager that's seen the worst run in years, you're more than welcome to do that.

This is the biggest crossroads the club has been at in a long time and there's reasons for both. Watering it down to a pissing match between online usernames that have no bearing on what will happen is useless.

[Johnnyeye 7,593]

We support Mourinho because of Chelsea, we don't support Chelsea because of Mourinho.

We support the one who gave us so much joy and success at his time here, 3 out of our 4 league titles since Roman are won with Jose. Don't forget the 2 League cups, 1 FA cup and 3 CL semi finals. This is the first season that he is really struggling and you're immediately calling for his head and name him '' a stinker of a manager'' , ''clown'' or ''fraud''. Such a disgrace, loyalty isn't in your dictionary.

If we are fanboys and sycophants, then you're fucking piece of plastic and glory hunter.

Forget it mate, there is no reasoning with trolls, save your energy for something better. Cheers

[Fulham Broadway 17,810]

Quit with the fanboy talk already. Not just you, everyone.

If you want to stand by the most successful manager the club has ever had and give him time (not just a few months), you're more than right to do that.

If you want the club to sack the manager that's seen the worst run in years, you're more than welcome to do that.

This is the biggest crossroads the club has been at in a long time and there's reasons for both. Watering it down to a pissing match between online usernames that have no bearing on what will happen is useless.

Well said. People attach so much weight to their opinions, but keep it respectful.

Its also the Internet, so theyre even more insignificant

[kmk108 1,186]

Back on Mourinho and this mess, we could be in the bottom three by New Years.

That's a massive problem. Dortmund were in this situation last season but were able to bounce back and grab a European spot. But it was done in an arguably weaker league. A lot of things must go right just to make any European competition next season. Where does that leave the club? There's players that are Chelsea through and through and will stay, but there are a number of players that will want to move on. Is this a quick dip that can be remedied next season (starting this season) or will it cause a shift in #1 priorities and #2 expectations, taking into consideration the financial implications of no Europe and a new stadium build on the way.

I'm left with a ton of questions and no answers.

Sacking Mourinho may be a blessing in terms of form, but there's a ton of damage that's been done already.

Hypothetically, a new manage comes in and things don't improve. What then? Who is to blame? So we blow everything up and start new?

[Tomo 21,754]

Back on Mourinho and this mess, we could be in the bottom three by New Years.

That's a massive problem. Dortmund were in this situation last season but were able to bounce back and grab a European spot. But it was done in an arguably weaker league. A lot of things must go right just to make any European competition next season. Where does that leave the club? There's players that are Chelsea through and through and will stay, but there are a number of players that will want to move on. Is this a quick dip that can be remedied next season (starting this season) or will it cause a shift in #1 priorities and #2 expectations, taking into consideration the financial implications of no Europe and a new stadium build on the way.

I'm left with a ton of questions and no answers.

Sacking Mourinho may be a blessing in terms of form, but there's a ton of damage that's been done already.

Hypothetically, a new manage comes in and things don't improve. What then? Who is to blame? So we blow everything up and start new?

For one season we can hide behind the it's a one off and were be back in CL next season.

If we fail again, we have a problem.

[kmk108 1,186]

For one season we can hide behind the it's a one off and were be back in CL next season.

If we fail again, we have a problem.

That's what scares everyone. Are we capable of bouncing back and being fine? My first reaction would say yes, but a lot of it is dependent on what happens in the offseason. If we have no problem signing talent, we'll be fine. If top players don't want a season away fromeurope and we have a few bad signings and a dodgy manager, we could be in trouble.

[Tomo 21,754]

That's what scares everyone. Are we capable of bouncing back and being fine? My first reaction would say yes, but a lot of it is dependent on what happens in the offseason. If we have no problem signing talent, we'll be fine. If top players don't want a season away fromeurope and we have a few bad signings and a dodgy manager, we could be in trouble.

It could go wrong, and it will be a critical season but we can get through it being clever enough, unlike the last time we dropped out of the top 4 (for Munich to save us) we do have a good enough team despite this shit storm, if we can keep the main players and prudently add we will have a good chance of bouncing back.

Even if we can't attract the very best, there will be players about who could improve us as a unit, look at Spurs with Alderwierld.

On the other side we could mess it up like Liverpool did and get worse, but that's an alternative that isn't worth thinking about.

[Irakozium257 350]

His intentions may be to settle down but his old die-hard habits remain rigid and are not subject to change - at least that's how he thinks and acts.

What really grates on me is his playing favourites with team selection and especially his mistreatment of youth and flair players. Shunting Traore and Loftus-Cheek aside most of the time and turning Hazard, Oscar and Willian into specialists in tracking back is not acceptable in my books. Not to mention his getting rid of Lukaku, Mata and De Bryune.

I have to agree with all your frustration. Ever since last season when the majority were brown-nosing him, I could see through his narcissistic and ego-tripping tendencies in press conferences et al., and even though we were coasting in the league, I knew that somehow someway, he was gonna pay for all his actions, call it karma, cause and effect, whatever. I just had a feeling that his negativity was gonna impact the club colossally. Add that to the fact that he regressed us as much as he made us a strong team with his psycopathic sense of power by playing Azpi at LB when we had acquired a world class LB in Filipe Luis who came here full of enthusiasm and ready for the challenge of PL, only to warm the bench because he wanted to show his magnificent 'creativity' by using 2 right-footed players as full-backs. Such an egotistical moron, the amount of times we had a handicap because of this last season is uncountable. Newcastle away last season, PSG home and away, Tottenham away and so f**king on . I have to admit that Mourinho actually made Ivanovic unlikeable. Before the f**ker came back, Ivanovic was solid at CB, but then he started using him as an untouchable at RB, Ivanovic got complacent and never had the will to be ever better since. Now he looks so pathetic and worthy of playing for basement boys such as Sunderland or AVL.

Let us pray to the 7 gods that he will be fired after wednesday. If I weren't a Chelsea fan, I would have betted at least 70 quids on a Porto win. That's how much the f**ker has ruined our beloved our club. If the sense of injustice was a legal crime, AVB, Carlo and Robbie should have sued the board cause they never dragged the club through the mud as much as this turd is doing right now. And yet, if we somehow win/draw on wednesday, it wouldn't come as surprise to see and hear tons of sheep in the stadium chanting his name...

[Tomo 21,754]

It's funny we suddenly got new faces because of our defeat to Bournemouth.

About what SAF said, I agree with the people who rolled over SAF's comment. He's only saying that for his entertainment and amusement. Even most Arsenal fans that don't even respect Jose at all, suddenly want Jose to stay because he is sailing Chelsea to the Championship. In fact non-CFC fans will want Jose to stay instead of being sacked. They want to mock us throughout the whole entire season talking about us getting relegated. It's like us with David Moyes 2 years ago for goodness sake. Don't genuinely believe these people who want Jose to stay because he is a great manager for the PL.

If Wenger and Pellergrini come out of nowhere and say, "Jose Mourinho is a great manager, Chelsea would be dumb as fuck to let him go", would you believe these twats? Please don't be gullible.

The only people that I genuinely who want Jose to stay are the fans who have been backing Mourinho from the very beginning. stroey, Rhino's Skin, Essien19 to name a few.

I want Mourinho to go, but I respect him too much to call him a fraudster, a clown of a manager etc. I'll have to side with the Jose backers on this one. As much as he slapped me on the face this season, I cannot forget the trophies he has bought to the club and the 6-0 thrashing against Arseshit.

Sir Alex has always backed his fellow managers and defended their jobs even when they are indefensible, even Moyes, he's very old school and firmly belives in managerial stabilty and giving them time.

If Pellegrino starts piping up then defiently he has an ulterior motive but Fergie not so much.

[Pizy 19,377]

Please, no. Would be a significant downgrade from José. As bad as it is now I'd rather just keep him than appoint Conte. It's either Ancelotti or stick with Mourinho for me.

[iseah100 5,612]

Saw this on Reddit today

We have been seriously off the pace for some time now. Last season, we got 41 points from the second half of the season, a decent haul. However when tallied since January, the warning signs last season become crystal clear. Of the 17 teams in the Premier League for both seasons, we are 9th.

1. Arsenal: 72
2. Man City: 65
3. Man Utd: 64
4. Leicester: 60
5. Spurs: 59
6. Southampton: 58
7. Liverpool: 57
8. Everton: 57
9. Chelsea: 56
10. Crystal Palace: 54
11. Stoke: 51
12. West Brom: 46
13. Swansea: 42
14. West Ham: 39
15. Sunderland 30
16. Newcastle: 26
17. Aston Villa: 23

Now obviously, I will pre-empt this by saying that this shouldn't be directly inferred from. Clubs may have harder schedules one half of the season and that won't be accounted for, only looking at a calendar year. But it is nevertheless telling of just how pedestrian Chelsea's results have been for quite some time now in the league. In the last 3 months or so, pedestrian doesn't even begin to cover it( Since beating Arsenal we have collected 8 points from 9 games).

The reason I'm posting is, is not to call for scapegoating or knee-jerk reactions, but because I'm tired of deflections of bad form or bad luck. There is no way bad form is this consistent, this prolonged or this widespread among the entire squad. There has been no real response or reaction, our form is only stagnating. Burying our heads in the sand about it serves no purpose. We'll see how the rest of December goes but we are on track to get 63 points from 38 league games.

This doesn't rest on one person's head. Or one transfer window. Neither are faultless.

Either the squad is complacent and mentally weak or they are burnt out or the dressing room is lost. A combination of the three in varying factors is more than possible.

Thoughts?

[Starman60 1,343]

Don't know. She always reminded me of one. Can you not imagine her with a flowy skirt and a scarf around her head, dancing on a windy field with excessive jewelry dangling in every direction?

Have you ever thought of becoming an "erotic novelist"? .........Well you've got me picturing her now!!!!!!!!!!!!!