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5 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

Kepa played all games in Fa Cup, it was clear he would play today. Clearly not at fault for anything.

He wasn't blatantly at fault but Mendy would have saved that goal. Kepa's weaknesses meant that he wasn't going to save. Just look at his little hopping/skipping movement before trying to make that save. He always does it before making a save from distance and that split second moment is always the difference between saving a goal and letting in one with him.

6 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

Last 2 games Alonso scored winner against City and Chilwell very quiet against Arsenal. It was logical he would play because of this. 

Alonso may have scored the winner against City but it was clear by then he had lost the starting XI spot to Chilwell. 

Chilwell was quiet against Arsenal but he wasn't the only one. Tuchel chose Alonso because of stupid defensive reasons even if it means costing us going forward.

And it was bloody obvious that Chilwell was desperate/eager to play against Leicester for obvious reasons. So, why did Tuchel not harness that into something positive, into an advantage for us by starting him?

11 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

And attackers? Pulisic and Havertz started against Arsenal and did not deliver. Plus who got us in final? Yes Werner and Ziyech with combo in semis against City.

Werner starting was kinda obvious given his last few performances have been good and he has contributed either decisive goals or assists. That is less obvious with Ziyech. Although they were important, Ziyech has contributed only 2 goals (no assists) since the last international break and his performances have been inconsistent. Yes, Havertz and Pulisic did nothing against Arsenal but again, they weren't the only ones and it was only less than 2 weeks ago that Havertz performed very well against Fulham and Real Madrid. So, why did Tuchel not start Havertz-Werner upfront with Mount deeper like in some of the recent games?

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2 minutes ago, Jas said:

He wasn't blatantly at fault but Mendy would have saved that goal. Kepa's weaknesses meant that he wasn't going to save. Just look at his little hopping/skipping movement before trying to make that save. He always does it before making a save from distance and that split second moment is always the difference between saving a goal and letting in one with him.

Alonso may have scored the winner against City but it was clear by then he had lost the starting XI spot to Chilwell. 

Chilwell was quiet against Arsenal but he wasn't the only one. Tuchel chose Alonso because of stupid defensive reasons even if it means costing us going forward.

And it was bloody obvious that Chilwell was desperate/eager to play against Leicester for obvious reasons. So, why did Tuchel not harness that into something positive, into an advantage for us by starting him?

Werner starting was kinda obvious given his last few performances have been good and he has contributed either decisive goals or assists. That is less obvious with Ziyech. Although they were important, Ziyech has contributed only 2 goals (no assists) since the last international break and his performances have been inconsistent. Yes, Havertz and Pulisic did nothing against Arsenal but again, they weren't the only ones and it was only less than 2 weeks ago that Havertz performed very well against Fulham and Real Madrid. So, why did Tuchel not start Havertz-Werner upfront with Mount deeper like in some of the recent games?

I thought Alonso is known for his good offensive game. His header was our first shot on target around minute 60th. Not only in semis, Ziyech also deliver last week against City. Anyway after Arsenal game I was sure Alonso and Ziyech would start (I also posted lineup on first page of this thread). 

Also it is not certain that Mendy would save it. He did not save Xhaka free kick for example.

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8 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

I thought Alonso is known for his good offensive game. His header was our first shot on target around minute 60th. 

Really? That's your justification for Alonso starting? Getting a shot on target?

8 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

Not only in semis, Ziyech also deliver last week against City.

Ziyech may have scored last week but his performances have been largely inconsistent.

8 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

Anyway after Arsenal game I was sure Alonso and Ziyech would start (I also posted lineup on first page of this thread).

It's a cup final. Everyone bar Christensen and Kovacic were available. You play the strongest XI. It's clear that Alonso has lost his place to Chilwell and it's clear that Tuchel doesn't seem to really trust Ziyech because he has yet to start him in consecutive games (IIRC) and let him play the full 90 minutes in a game. Given the difference in playing time, it's bloody obvious that Ziyech is in the bottom of the pecking order of our attackers (not counting Giroud and Abraham) but some reason, Tuchel decided to start him and Alonso for defensive reasons!

8 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

Also it is not certain that Mendy would save it. He did not save Xhaka free kick for example.

I can't remember the Xhaka free kick but don't try to divert away from Kepa's problem that I mentioned. It's a problem with him and it's a problem when he has to make saves against long range efforts. And let's not forget that Mendy is also slightly taller than Kepa, which mean he has longer reach than the latter.

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Ashley Cole fears Tuchel making same Chelsea mistakes as Lampard after FA Cup final loss

Chelsea were beaten 1-0 by Leicester City in the FA Cup final.

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1436704/Ashley-Cole-Thomas-Tuchel-Chelsea-Frank-Lampard-FA-Cup-SNT

Former Chelsea star Ashley Cole has questioned the Blues' recent performances after their FA Cup final defeat to Leicester City, drawing comparisons to their displays under former manager Frank Lampard. Youri Tielemans' long-range strike earned the Foxes a 1-0 win over Chelsea, with Brendan Rodgers' side winning the competition for the first time in their history.

 

Chelsea had a late equaliser denied by VAR, when Ben Chilwell's cross was deflected into the back of the net by Wes Morgan.

However, Chilwell was deemed to be offside in the build-up by VAR and the goal was ruled out, meaning Leicester emerged victorious.

Speaking on BBC Match of the Day after the game, Cole claimed that Chelsea's recent performances under Thomas Tuchel have "felt the same" as some of their displays under Lampard.

"Chelsea have three cup finals now basically, if they want to finish in the top four and win the Champions League," Cole said.

"They have got to pick themselves up and go again. They can't feel sorry for themselves.

"Is it the same team as Frank Lampard's?

"When Frank was here they controlled and dominated games but couldn't finish it off.

"The last couple of weeks it has felt the same."

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Also the Xhaka free kick was just outside the box and right in the top corner. You cannot compare that.

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FA Cup final: Chelsea boss Thomas Tuchel bemoans 'decisive' VAR calls

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/57109878

Chelsea boss Thomas Tuchel felt his side had done enough to win the FA Cup but "decisive" video assistant referee calls went against them.

The Blues lost their second successive final as they were beaten 1-0 by Leicester courtesy of Youri Tielemans' stunning strike at Wembley.

There was suggestion of a handball by Ayoze Perez in the build up but a VAR review deemed no infringement.

"The players said straight away it was a handball," said Tuchel.

"So now for the second game in a row there was a handball against us, and VAR is not interfering.

"Against Arsenal there was one on the line, and again today, and they are very decisive.

"I'm not an expert in handball any more, I don't know when it's handball or not.

"I don't know any more when they need to punish it or it's OK to play with the hand."

Chelsea also had a late equaliser chalked off when Ben Chilwell was judged to have been offside.

Despite those disappointing moments, Tuchel was satisfied with the performance of his players overall.

"We were unlucky," he added. "But there's never any guarantee you'll end up with a trophy.

"I think we would have deserved to win but we have to accept defeat."

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6 minutes ago, Vesper said:

"When Frank was here they controlled and dominated games but couldn't finish it off.

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12 minutes ago, Jas said:

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tbf the last 2 games were exactly like the average game under Lampard. Control or not we would always create a fair few chances and miss most of them just like at the moment. It seems the team just shows their true colours after some time under any manager. We have to cut out the deadwood that is holding us back. Lampard at least understood that Alonso, kepa, jorginho are pants and need to be sold. Now TT still trusts them and lost us the final with this stupid judgement.

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Choose Alonso was a mistake, but choose Kepa was even worst.

I know that I'm telling the same, but what I feel since Mendy play (since Tuchel arrived) is that the defence its more confidente, more calm. Panic simply doesn't exist. This feeling is sharing with supporters. When I see that Mendy is choose to play, i'm feel relaxed. I don't know how to explain and I don't know if you guys feeling the same, but I feel very positive. When I see the line up and I see Kepa, my brain starts to imagine mistakes, panic, etc, etc... Probably the players feel the same.

Even if Kepa don't make mistake, to the players, just simple is not the same feeling that Mendy was playing. Just see how many clean sheets Chelsea make with him.

i'm feeling sad because its a trophy we don't won because of details :(

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10 hours ago, Mário César said:

Choose Alonso was a mistake, but choose Kepa was even worst.

I know that I'm telling the same, but what I feel since Mendy play (since Tuchel arrived) is that the defence its more confidente, more calm. Panic simply doesn't exist. This feeling is sharing with supporters. When I see that Mendy is choose to play, i'm feel relaxed. I don't know how to explain and I don't know if you guys feeling the same, but I feel very positive. When I see the line up and I see Kepa, my brain starts to imagine mistakes, panic, etc, etc... Probably the players feel the same.

Even if Kepa don't make mistake, to the players, just simple is not the same feeling that Mendy was playing. Just see how many clean sheets Chelsea make with him.

i'm feeling sad because its a trophy we don't won because of details :(

Second choice keeper pretty much always plays the domestic cups at most top clubs though.  Kepa played every FA Cup game before last night and only conceded one goals against Luton during that run, think it would've been harsh to drop him for the final.

I feel the same nerves with Kepa in goal but as long as he's at the club he's nailed on to play the cups, if for nothing more then to keep some level of match fitness and perhaps attract some interest from other clubs who could be willing to take him on.

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14 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

Not sure why many are surprised with team selection. 

Kepa played all games in Fa Cup, it was clear he would play today. Clearly not at fault for anything. 

What sums it up with Kepa is could you say it was an out and out howler that Tielemens goal? No, but on the same token if Kroos or Benzema scored at Stamford Bridge it wouldn't have been an Edou howler but he got there anywhere. It wouldn't have been a Schmeichel howler had Mount scored but he got there anyway.

Top keepers make that big difference in clutch moments.

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11 minutes ago, Jype said:

Second choice keeper pretty much always plays the domestic cups at most top clubs though.  Kepa played every FA Cup game before last night and only conceded one goals against Luton during that run, think it would've been harsh to drop him for the final.

I feel the same nerves with Kepa in goal but as long as he's at the club he's nailed on to play the cups, if for nothing more then to keep some level of match fitness and perhaps attract some interest from other clubs who could be willing to take him on.

It might have been harsh but how much of the decision was due to him being Kepa and the price tag as well as maybe politics from the board?

I was just looking at our recent cup seasons and we have always switched to the #1 keeper once we get to the latter stages of the competition.

In 2018/19, Caballero started the first two rounds of the FA Cup and League Cup but Kepa then played the fifth round in the FA Cup (which we lost) and from the quarter-final onward until the final in the League Cup.

In 2017/18, Caballero started all the rounds in the FA Cup but when we got to the final, Courtois started it instead. In the League Cup, Caballero started the first three rounds but Courtois started in the semi-final first leg and would have likely done so in the second lag but missed it due to injury.

In 2016/17, Begovic started the first three rounds of the FA Cup but when we got to the quarter-final, it was Courtois who started. Same case in the semi-final and final.

In 2014/15, Cech started the first three rounds of the League Cup but then Courtois started both legs of the semi-final before Cech started in the final. Can't remember if Mourinho gave any reason for starting Cech over Courtois then but it was Cech. 

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Hopefully he can get it right for the next 3 games..otherwise the shine falling a little bit...to get to 2 finals and lose them both and top 4..thats not how expected it to go. Though guess didn't expect to get to any finals so small bonus but..

Unfortunately his last 2 games haven't paid off..

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19 minutes ago, Jype said:

 

I feel the same nerves with Kepa in goal but as long as he's at the club he's nailed on to play the cups, if for nothing more then to keep some level of match fitness and perhaps attract some interest from other clubs who could be willing to take him on.

Yes, I think the club are desperate to sell him so they have no real choice other than to put him into the shop window every now and then. If not, then he just quietly rots away in the reserves.

But even if a club makes an offer, would he be prepared to take the big drop in wages that would undoubtably go with it?

The only chance I can see of getting him the wage bill, is to bite the bullet and give him a free transfer. Would be a huge hit, but better than keep on  paying a huge salary to a bang average reserve keeper.

 

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1 hour ago, chippy said:

Yes, I think the club are desperate to sell him so they have no real choice other than to put him into the shop window every now and then. If not, then he just quietly rots away in the reserves.

But even if a club makes an offer, would he be prepared to take the big drop in wages that would undoubtably go with it?

The only chance I can see of getting him the wage bill, is to bite the bullet and give him a free transfer. Would be a huge hit, but better than keep on  paying a huge salary to a bang average reserve keeper.

You must be living in another world if you think the club will just cancel Kepa's contract when he still has 4 years left on it. That's A LOT of money involved.

Think we can forget about selling him when he still has that length of contract remaining. A loan is more of a possibility. If Kepa still has any playing ambition, if he wants to get back into the Spain squad (the World Cup is happening next year), then he will look for a move this summer. If he does, then it comes to Marina really. Will she set a low demand in terms of loan fee? Will she agree to covering perhaps half of Kepa's wages (how much is he on anyway?) etc? 

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2 hours ago, Jas said:

It might have been harsh but how much of the decision was due to him being Kepa and the price tag as well as maybe politics from the board?

I was just looking at our recent cup seasons and we have always switched to the #1 keeper once we get to the latter stages of the competition.

In 2018/19, Caballero started the first two rounds of the FA Cup and League Cup but Kepa then played the fifth round in the FA Cup (which we lost) and from the quarter-final onward until the final in the League Cup.

In 2017/18, Caballero started all the rounds in the FA Cup but when we got to the final, Courtois started it instead. In the League Cup, Caballero started the first three rounds but Courtois started in the semi-final first leg and would have likely done so in the second lag but missed it due to injury.

In 2016/17, Begovic started the first three rounds of the FA Cup but when we got to the quarter-final, it was Courtois who started. Same case in the semi-final and final.

In 2014/15, Cech started the first three rounds of the League Cup but then Courtois started both legs of the semi-final before Cech started in the final. Can't remember if Mourinho gave any reason for starting Cech over Courtois then but it was Cech. 

I remember a few years back Pellegrini controversially played Caballero in the league cup final and when quizzed about it he said (paraphrasing) that he would rather lose than break his word.

Maybe Tuchel is of similar ilk?

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18 minutes ago, Tomo said:

I remember a few years back Pellegrini controversially played Caballero in the league cup final and when quizzed about it he said (paraphrasing) that he would rather lose than break his word.

Maybe Tuchel is of similar ilk?

God damn it, Tomo!

At Dortmund, he had Burki as his #1 and Weidenfeller as his #2.

In 2015/16, Burki started all their DFB Pokal cup games while Weidenfeller started 10 of their 12 Europa League games. Didn't play the other 2 due to illness.

In 2016/17, Weidenfeller started the first two rounds of the DFB Pokal and Burki then started the remaining rounds all the way to the final.

At PSG, he had Buffon and Areola in his first season and then Navas and Rico in his second season (not bothered with the third since he left midway)...

In 2018/19, Areola started 7 of the 8 cup games across the two competitions and it's worth noting that Tuchel's usage of Buffon and Areola was wild because the former played 2,204 minutes and the latter played 2,805 minutes in all competitions. There was a lot of rotation between those two but judging by the minutes, guessing Areola was his #1? 

In 2019/20, Navas was Tuchel's #1 and Rico his #2. The latter started the first three rounds of the Coupe de France and first two rounds of the Coupe de la Ligue. After that, it was Navas who started the remaining games in each competition until the final.

So going by history, it seems like Tuchel at least knows the importance of playing the best keeper once the club reach the latter stages of the competition but he "chose" to stick with Kepa all the way here...

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57 minutes ago, Tomo said:

I remember a few years back Pellegrini controversially played Caballero in the league cup final and when quizzed about it he said (paraphrasing) that he would rather lose than break his word.

Maybe Tuchel is of similar ilk?

no, Tuchel broke his word by making too many changes to our line-up after promising he would not do it again after the Arsenal disaster

I posted on this already

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I think from new season we will play with new system, but for it TT need proper players... 

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24 minutes ago, gdlk said:

I think from new season we will play with new system, but for it TT need proper players... 

Going to back 4 will raise other problems. We have 6 attacking players. CHO, Pulisic and Ziyech are wingers. Havertz is between number 9 and 10. Mount is midfielder and Werner is unique. 

I dont think playing with 4 at the back without wingers is option to even consider seriously. Who would attack from the flanks? What would happen to Werner? 

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