The Tuchel Thread

[Blue Armour 4,336]

6 hours ago, Special Juan said:

Let me make this as clear as possible, the players have chucked it.

TT is outnumbered.

That's what I've been fearing for the past few weeks.

Why they've chucked it is another question altogether.

Did the squad not like Tuchel becoming an executioner and chucking out figures like Lukaku/Werner ? Blocking Azpi's transfer...and sidelining others like Pulisic/Ziyech?

From the eyes of the fans, those were much needed changes. But I'm not sure how the squad is taking these changes internally.

I hope Boehly had a word with the squad after this showing. If he wants Tuchel to continue, he needs to express that he is going to be backed.

Else, this squad will quietly pull the rug out from under Tuchel's feet.

 

 

[robsblubot 3,580]

52 minutes ago, Henrique said:

Squad is weaker, and its not even a top 5 material. Its weaker because compared to the opposition, the team was left behind, despite being the top spender. 

Dude! it's easier to blame the manager ("eh sempre of tecnico!") 😉 We always love our players even when they suck.
Seriously tho, of course it's weaker 🙂 and the results will corroborate that with or without Tuchel -- he can't fix this shit.

@Blue ArmourTo your (and Sp Juan's) point, it does not take a full rebellion at this level: all it takes is a couple of players not giving that 100% and spaces will be found by the opposition. This is what players themself say: they have a lot of power.

Plus, I hope folks are noticing that, but the PL is getting tougher by the minute and there are very few really small clubs left. Most mid table clubs have internationals playing for them. Except crystal palace and fucking saha -- they both suck.

Edited September 7, 2022 by robsblubot

[Blue Armour 4,336]

Based on Chelsea's past when it comes down to squad vs manager, squad always used to win.

If Tuchel stands a chance of turning this around., he needs to start from square one again.

I'm not talking about just benching every single first teamer (that would just cause an outright revolt among the players). 

He needs to bench some of the key underperformers for an extended period of time (and not just a game or 2). Drop Mount. Bring in some of the new youth signings.

Drop KK (this one is really important, because the guy is turning out to be dud). Either change the formation to play with just 2 CBs and or play Chalobah instead. Give the new CM from Juventus a run out.

Yes, we've been terrible with a back 4, but with a different CB combo and more importantly, the right midfield combo, it can change. Back 5 atm is only giving us a false sense of defensive security while offering virtually nothing in attack.

Also, he needs to avoid bringing on players like Pulisic or Ziyech. These players don't care about the team. It sucks that we still have them on the bench, like dressing room poison.

[Clockwork 1,794]

I am not a reactionary person, I was very critical of Tuchel before the season even started. Living off a CL run.

 

 

[Blue Armour 4,336]

28 minutes ago, robsblubot said:

 

@Blue ArmourTo your (and Sp Juan's) point, it does not take a full rebellion at this level: all it takes is a couple of players not giving that 100% and spaces will be found by the opposition. This is what players themself say: they have a lot of power.

 

If its just 2 or so players not giving 100%, that can be rectified by dropping them and seeing what happens.

And that's what I'm suggesting he has to do to at least try turning things around.

The problem is, it seems more deep rooted than just a couple of disgruntled players.

[robsblubot 3,580]

22 minutes ago, Blue Armour said:

If its just 2 or so players not giving 100%, that can be rectified by dropping them and seeing what happens.

And that's what I'm suggesting he has to do to at least try turning things around.

The problem is, it seems more deep rooted than just a couple of disgruntled players.

indeed. Players are a very united group who talk among themselves more than we think they do.

A couple/few unhappy players will have an effect in the group. Sometimes the solution for that is actually competition, so that players trying to get minutes will give that extra 10% which can be contagious.

And when I say 110%, I don't mean in games only but at practice too: that's where a manager have to spot when a player is not really engaged, so I agree that Tuchel can help himself there. 

 

[Special Juan 27,541]

Wait until we arrive in that tight little field of Craven Cottage on Saturday for an early kick off. the crowd could beat us never mind Fulham.

[manpe 10,861]

4 hours ago, DDA said:

Unfortunately TT has spent too much time trying to force this bullshit 3 at the back to help Thiago Silva play. I get it, Thiago brings alot to the team but in doing so, TT has completely lost it, he'll bent on sticking with a system that no longer suits the personal at his disposal. 

 

That doesn't really hold up because Silva didn't play yesterday. We stuck with 3 atb even when going for the equalizer, probably because we were afraid to concede more, and even played Cucurella at LCB. Problem is that with 4 atb we don't look more like scoring, but we do seem more likely to concede. I don't know, it's a conundrum, the team isn't playing well in any system atm.

Edited September 7, 2022 by manpe

[We Hate Scouse 10,287]

https://www.chelseafc.com/en/news/article/Chelsea-football-club-part-company-with-thomas-tuchel

 

[milka 3,362]

 

[Special Juan 27,541]

Knew it, seen it coming an absolute mile off. The players chucked it, this was coming and I was shot down by certain members here when I said it last week.

TB was never going to put up with shite that was being served up

[milka 3,362]

 

[LegenTerry 272]

So...who are the candidates ? Potter, Poch and Ziozou ? 

[Strike 7,299]

I'm shocked - new owners, same recklessness. Thanks for the Champions League in that weird pandemic year and go well Tuchel.

 

[Bren 41]

Wow! Now we know the new owners aren't afraid to act quickly.

The players do it to another manager.

[Strike 7,299]

 

Matt Law report

- Sacking is not based purely on results or Chelsea’s poor start to the season.

- Sources say Tuchel lost the faith of players, who were surprised to be played out of position, left out

- Anthony Barry is likely to take temporary charge

- Apart from Potter, club looking at Mauricio Pochettino, Zinedine Zidane and Benfica manager Roger Schmidt

 

[Blues Forever 1,232]

14 minutes ago, LegenTerry said:

So...who are the candidates ? Potter, Poch and Ziozou ? 

Zidane isn't interested with PL, so i say it's either Poch or Potter. 

Edited September 7, 2022 by Blues Forever

[Pizy 18,538]

Holy fucking shit. I thought with 100% certainty that Boehly would give him every possible chance to turn the ship around. That he would only act if we were in danger towards the midway point of the season or something. I myself was admittedly turning on him but never thought it would happen this quickly. We’ve just given him a record transfer window and his hand picked striker just arrived days ago specifically to play for him.

I actually feel terrible for TT since the plan as recently as a few weeks ago was for him to be here for years. Boehly couldn’t help enough praise on him as he guided the club through the chaos of last year. 

I just hope we appoint a coach who is obsessively good at coaching attacking football as Pep, Klopp, and even Arteta is now. We have the talent.