The Mourinho Thread

[bellion 170]

That has confused me a bit now, in the past he has always been quick to drop underperforming players even if they are his favroite (kissed Pepe on the forhead then dropped him for Varane weeks later) yet with Ivanovic, nothing.

With the sales however, in my opinion only kdb was an error (admittedly a big one), Lukaku didn't want to be a rotation player and we got Costa, we got good money for a player we didn't need and Lukaku got the right move for his career. Mata was a great bit of buisness for me, he tailed off in early 2013 and he hasn't been anywhere near the same player since, in fact a lot of United fans I speak to say he is invisible on the pitch sometimes and last season they critisised his end product (which was the main argument to play him over Oscar when Jose got here).

Well, Mourinho has certainly regressed in picking players in form, that's for sure.

Regaridng Mata, I feel strongly that he would continue to fluorish in a more offensive team formation as he did before the transfer to Man Utd. The fact that he has been lukewarm in his performances at Old Trafford is due to Van Gaal's turgid, safety first football which is somewhat similar to Mourinho.

[bellion 170]

Back on Mourinho and this mess, we could be in the bottom three by New Years.

That's a massive problem. Dortmund were in this situation last season but were able to bounce back and grab a European spot. But it was done in an arguably weaker league. A lot of things must go right just to make any European competition next season. Where does that leave the club? There's players that are Chelsea through and through and will stay, but there are a number of players that will want to move on. Is this a quick dip that can be remedied next season (starting this season) or will it cause a shift in #1 priorities and #2 expectations, taking into consideration the financial implications of no Europe and a new stadium build on the way.

I'm left with a ton of questions and no answers.

Sacking Mourinho may be a blessing in terms of form, but there's a ton of damage that's been done already.

Hypothetically, a new manage comes in and things don't improve. What then? Who is to blame? So we blow everything up and start new?

A new manager is the only option left.

Since Mourinho insists on repeating on making the same mistakes.

Insanity and all that.

[bellion 170]

So it's his stubbornness and ego and not class players playing like u21s

And who picked those class players regulalry even if they are playing like lower league footballers?

[Blue Armour 4,759]

I dont think he reads this forum. Funny if he did though

That explains our starting line-up's. He must definitely be doing it to get under the skin of some of the members here.

[Rmpr 8,977]

I can't stand the fact people are paying attention to what SAF said. His opinion is based in abstract ideas. I'm sure he is not watching Chelsea games, he just want Mourinho to stay based on portuguese's CV. He was also the man who appointed Moyes as his own successor, thats enough reason to not listen.

I love how so many people complain about English sports media but they are the same ones who are the first to consume it.

Who gives two cents to what Ferguson says about CFC? Its pathetic. We had 6 new pages of posts about SAF. I mean, WTF!

[Darogba 112]

fucking hell, this seems real. if we lose (which is very likely), he is GONE.

wake the fuck up jose. for once, play a fucking team that can actually give us a chance of winning than a team you seem to have casted in stone. PLEASE. atleast give yourself a chance.

drop and kick out shitty cunts like cesc and oscar. just drop iva till the end of the season. give, RLC, remy, baba a true oppurtunity. PLEASE!!!!!!!!

He doesn't really care anymore. He plays the same players because he's lost interest. Just waiting to be sacked so he can collect his millions before another club signs him again.

[MrExcalibur100 7,124]

[Miki-Liki 405]

Always talking about himself, what a narcissist ...

[jernej93 569]

Jose: 'I think I've done enough good things at the club for the owner to know the quality I have.' #CFC

So did Ancelotti and Di Matteo but they were not treated equally .. they were long gone with much better results. #SpecialOne

[Jase 43,479]

I know we are desperate for a change in manager but Conte? Not the worst option but seriously, no. No. No. No. He might have dominated the Serie A with Juventus but he's too rigid and inflexible with his tactics and has a poor record in Europe.

[Jase 43,479]

Always talking about himself, what a narcissist ...

He's being asked about his position. Of course he will talk about himself.

[Miki-Liki 405]

He's being asked about his position. Of course he will talk about himself.

Question: "Mr Jose, how do you feel about your position at the club"?

Answer: "I am getting better, this is new for me, I've won trophies, I think I'm improving"

He's said something along these lines so many times, yet we don't see the fruits of his labour i.e. improvement.

[bellion 170]

Question: "Mr Jose, how do you feel about your position at the club"?

Answer: "I am getting better, this is new for me, I've won trophies, I think I'm improving"

He's said something along these lines so many times, yet we don't see the fruits of his labour i.e. improvement.

As ridiculous as a post I read in another Chelsea forum which stated that the team is slowly improving .

LMFAO! Lost to Bournemouth's second string at home (who hasn't won in 2.5 months) and that's called an improvement!

[Essien19 1,415]

I don't agree with your definition of stability. Peace wrote an outstanding post regarding stability not so long ago and used two perfect examples alongside his points, which I believe also represent where I stand regarding this issue.

How is the stability of a club that ages centuries affected by individuals such as managers or players that last at the very most two decades in that club?

Barca have enjoyed success despite having 4 managers in the last 10 years. Only 4 players are still playing in Barca. Despite the major changes in players, managers, and even the president, they have experienced great success by sticking to their identity of attractive and positive Football.

Arsenal were invincibles but then a group of young players that were trying to imitate Barcelona. Now they are a team that are satisfied with fourth place. But remember, they have had one manager this entire time.

We on the other hand with Mourinho went from acceptable football to beautiful football, then ugly football and now 14th place.

This goes to show that stability in football is reached when you establish a Football identity and the managers and players you sign are reflective of that identity. We as a club are a joke in this department. Going from unbeatable side in Mourinho's first tenure to Ancelotti's sexy Football, to AVB's team that emphasized on developing youth, to signing attacking players and at the end of the story giving Mourinho the control of these players.

It's just not right; we can't be jumping from side to side anymore. Choose what identity you want established in the club and stick with it. The next step would be signing managers and players that fit what we're trying to not achieve not ones that are totally contrasting to what we're trying to build.

A feeling tells me the board haven't learned their lesson yet. It's not a good sign when I see Simeone OR Ancelotti as the next managerial option. These two are totally different in coaching styles, and the possibility of the board looking at both as replacements for Mourinho goes to show you they do not have a clue what they are doing.

Someone has to be first and start building a philosophy. Rom wasn't build in a day either.

Bayern Munich haven't been playing this way over decades, they adapted to that in recent times.

How can you make that happen? You have to trust the manager.

Last season, i think it was during December, most of the Cules wanted Enrique gone, but the club stood by him and look what happened?! Not so bad, i think.

Barca did change their manager often, you're right, but that doesn't mean that everyone had to do the same to be successful.

You throw in some very huge words: "attractive" and "positive" football.

It's not that simple, Real Madrid wants to play like that since ages, but it's a bit more complicated, i think.

Jose Mourinho is able to deliver these things, Real Madrid one of the best attacking teams in the league's history and Chelsea 2014.

Before Klopp took over Dortmund, they played differently, Klopp implemented his style of play.

But as it has already been said, you must trust the (proven) manager.

Dortmund was after 55% of the played games in the league last at the end of the table, but finally reached 7th.

Furthermore Klopp stayed for 7 years in Dortmund, that's stability.

Tuchel plays different football, now they are changing their way of execution.

Everyone knows Arsenal and immediately Arsene Wenger comes into mind.

That's exactly what i and other Blues want to have with Jose Mourinho.

Arsenal is an extreme example, but over 8 years they won nothing, but they recovered and recently won 2 FA Cups.

But at Chelsea 4 months bad months seem to be enough to kick their once loved man out the door, very very sad.

You rightly criticised the indecisiveness when it comes to Chelsea's philosophy.

The most important part is for me that it takes time.

Now we have Mourinho, so we can stick with him, he already identified his core.

Costa, Fabregas, Hazard, Willian, Matic, Azpilicueta, Zouma, Baba, Courtois and so on.

Some more ingredients and we're more than good to go to win everything, imo.

But some bad spells have to be allowed, it's not always bright and sunny in the world, not Disney World.

Trust me, if we lose against Porto and Mourinho isn't gone, I dangerously worry about Roman and the future of the club. Because it tells me that Roman doesn't mind if we get relegated to the Championship (which you cannot rule out at this point, regardless how big we are). We lost to gutless Newcastle (at the time) and Bournemouth... we are definite candidates for the Championship if this consistent bad run keeps going.

I get it. Many fans here dreamt of having Mourinho as our long term manager because he has won the most trophies for us so far. But we have to get it in our heads, this isn't working.

I even question that if he's deliberately sabotaging our club. I'm not saying that he is but I have to question it. What happened in last 2 PL matches doesn't add up, and a manager who is serious would have done the opposite to what Mourinho did.

• We are just above the relegation zone. - A slap in a face already.
• We play Bournemouth at HOME
• Puts out a lineup which is stupendously bad with NO striker - Another slap in the face
• Knowing we HAVE to win
• Bar Baba, refuses to put out youth
• Terrible football (yes we created chances but Mourinho IMO put the wrong players out to bury the chances) - Another slap in the face
• Unable to score against bottom of the table Bournemouth (who lost to Newcastle, VILLA mind you)
• And when that isn't enough, Bournemouth who have been a terrible side this season BEAT US at the Bridge! - A punch to the stomach.

Get a photo of the Bridge and turn it upside down. That's the current state of the club and it has been like that since August. Brighton and Middlesbrough (Championship top 2) can beat us right now if we ever encounter them. I just can't see us beating Porto and on fire Leicester. Even if we play for a draw like Mourinho has been doing for a while, we are gonna fuck up with that unorganised defense.

2 points off relegation 15 games in. Nothing is happening. We only go in a short consecutive run when Tel-Aviv is in the equation. 1 PL win per month isn't going to save our butts let alone top half of the table. I'm so surprised Jose is still our manager at this point, but if we do lose to Porto and nothing has changed I may have to stop watching football for a while. It's like watching your best pet die over and over and over and over...

I don't care about top 4 now, I just want us out of the relegation battle. No top player in the summer will look at Chelsea if we just survived relegation, or lol - dropped to the Championship.

But we won against the Le Arse, some things never change.

I think you're a bit confused, we didn't lose to Newcastle United, we went 2 down and then leveled, good comeback.

I get your point; lost against the likes of Palace, Saints, Hammers, Potters and so on, shouldn't have happened but it did and we have to deal with it.

As i said, we grinded out points against the Yids, Toons, Gooners, Hawthorns and so on, so we'll make it with Jose Mourinho, imo.

I think we're getting stronger and stronger, i call the performance against Bournemouth unlucky, we had the chances, the rest will come. The goal against us was pure luck, the defense was unorganized, it happens.

It's always the same, Mourinho doesn't change a thing, criticism, but when he does and bench Costa, no striker, very bad.

You can't please everybody!

I agree with Mourinho that throwing in some 18-19 years old during this desperate times aren't the right thing to do,

too much negativity.

Maybe we won't win against Porto and Leicester, you can think so.

But with another coach it's not a guaranteed win either, you can't expect one thing in life apart from death.

Sad, when you don't watch Chelsea anymore because of losing, no matter what's happening, always show up for the club,

i can't demand the style of play, i have to be grateful and show respect, but i can only speak for myself.

Nothing better than going out and jeering to your beloved club, no matter what others say or how bad the style of play is.

Some people say being fan of top team doesn't make you a "real" fan, because you never experience true agony,

after some years wins against promoted teams have become very difficult, so it's a reminder how blessed we were.

Now the world see us sweat, but so what, we'll keep fighting and protecting our team, manager and club.

Why won't a top player come to Chelsea in the future? Because of one bad season?

Maybe if we fire Jose Mourinho and hire someone unknown, but with Jose Mourinho, most players want to play for him.

Even a guy like Lionel Messi respects him and speaks highly of him.

If ties are cut, let it be that Mourinho is gone for good. It's clear that he isn't cut out to be a long term manager for reasons I and several others have already stated in this thread. What he did at Madrid and Porto is water under the bridge.

You have your reasons, i and others see it differently.

Mourinho perfectly explained some time ago what happened at his previous stations and most of the time, he won something.

You can't deny his talent for building a dynasty, when it's the first time he tries it.

Recently i have read an article about Marina Granovskaia, she seems to fully trust Jose Mourinho,

so we all know what this means, we're blessed!

Final words:

Overall, i'm getting fed up by this constant negativity around here, it seems i'm the only one since the departures of iceboy and others who is defending one of our own.

Mourinho certainly has his flaws, but accusing him of doing it on purpose and the payout, not changing the lineup,

insulting him and no one gives a fuck, denying his talent and so on goes way too far, imo.

Some are mixing jokes with ISIS and Mourinho, more than crossing a line, imo.

Even some of the hardcore Mancs speak some sense, but on here it's worse but it should be a goddamn Chelsea Community.

It seems Babs hasn't been wrong with her criticism, although i disagree with her proposed methods.

I won't leave this community for good, but spend most of the time elsewhere.

It's a win win for everyone; i can live happily ever after and here the crucifixion and wankfest can continue,

less interruption caused by me.

Cheers.

[The Mak 4,459]

We're a black hole for positivity and good football. There's really no reason for anyone other Chelsea fans to tune in for our games and even then I personally have a hard time motivating myself to watch the games when I see what lineup Mourinho chooses to lead us to the promised land.

Exactly. As I said a few weeks ago, it's like their is a dirty black cloud above Stamford Bridge and it's name is José Mourinho. All of his negative (and sometimes disgraceful) antics, as well as his general moodiness, has come home to roost and it has infected the entire club. I don't see this mood leaving as long as he is here.

[Miki-Liki 405]

Essien talking as if this season was Mourinho's first at the club.

[Rhino's Skin 972]

Overall, i'm getting fed up by this constant negativity around here, it seems i'm the only one since the departures of iceboy and others who is defending one of our own.

Mourinho certainly has his flaws, but accusing him of doing it on purpose and the payout, not changing the lineup,

insulting him and no one gives a fuck, denying his talent and so on goes way too far, imo.

Some are mixing jokes with ISIS and Mourinho, more than crossing a line, imo.

Even some of the hardcore Mancs speak some sense, but on here it's worse but it should be a goddamn Chelsea Community.

It seems Babs hasn't been wrong with her criticism, although i disagree with her proposed methods.

I won't leave this community for good, but spend most of the time elsewhere.

It's a win win for everyone; i can live happily ever after and here the crucifixion and wankfest can continue,

less interruption caused by me.

Cheers.

heart on your sleeve mate and glass always half full.....decent qualities to have as a Chelsea supporter.

Defending what others have in their "mindsets" as indefensible is always going to be a chore, long winded and difficult. Personally I just prefer to say 'phuck em'.

With regards to Mourinho, there are so many media stories out every day with a different take and it is ripe for cherry picking for suiting different agendas.

Saying that though, a lot of 'footballing' people rather than your average media hack or online blogger are going along the lines that Mourinho should stay at the club at least till the end of the season. I think this is the most common sense way going forward unless there is a complete breakdown between the board and him in the meantime.

As I have said on several ocassions "he ain't my favourite cup of tea" either but as with every manager we have had (bar one who just didnt fit and it felt wrong), I along with the vast majority of supporters will always give our backing and sometimes vocally at matches as well.

Don't get get sucked in by the over analytical posts and threads where stats, names, quotes, figures etc etc are bought up over and over again to suit one's debate.

And lastly, the only ones worth their salt to debate with are the ones that can display some positivity along with constructive criticism rather than just a tirade of negativity post after post.

You support Mourinho the way you want to, but the club, our club Chelsea comes first and foremost

[Atlas Lion 1,223]

For those saying he should stay, I would love to actually hear what sort of footballing Philosophy Mourinho would implement, and whether or not this club will have any sort of identity to implement youth, as of course, his track record obviously proved he is capable of doing so. Not to mention if Mourinho will ever change his image that reflects quite badly towards this club as if we were inevitably to become the next Millwall in terms of hatred.

[Rhino's Skin 972]

Right, defend Mourinho even if he slept with your wife screams out the mentality you both are displaying tbf.

if you are referring to me..........ridiculous analogy and where am I defending him?

[DYC. 7,542]

I know we are desperate for a change in manager but Conte? Not the worst option but seriously, no. No. No. No. He might have dominated the Serie A with Juventus but he's too rigid and inflexible with his tactics and has a poor record in Europe.

People are too harsh on Conte. He took over a Juve side that finished 7th and won three straight league titles. That's an amazing achievement, I don't care how you want to spin it. He lost in the CL QF against Bayern. That Bayern side would beat any team, as they proved by winning the treble. CL 13/14 was disastrous. But it's one campaign. They were also a bit unfortunate in that final game. I remember that terrible pitch and weather conditions. Game never should've been played. Nonetheless that was still very poor. But two European campaigns is not enough to draw conclusions imo. 102 points with +57 GD in the league that same season, that's fantastic.

He's also done good work with Italy. It's not the most talented team, especially in terms of creativity and firepower (Insigne's, Eder's and Pelle's form is encouraging, but they aren't world-beaters), but they're a tough team and they can hurt you on the break with some intelligent play. He's a good manager imo.

He wouldn't be my first choice as new head coach but I wouldn't mind him as an interim manager at all. His high energy style and motivational skills would be welcome in the current situation. But it depends on whether he speaks English.