The Mourinho Thread

[Jase 43,479]

Klopp would be more than suitable tbh. I feel like he'd properly unlock Eden's potential.

But you have to ask - Is the current crop of players suitable to play Klopp's style? We wouldn't want another AVB situation like we had 2-3 years ago and there were even accusations that Klopp didn't know how to change or what to do when his playing style wasn't working anymore for Dortmund last season.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

Klopp would be more than suitable tbh. I feel like he'd properly unlock Eden's potential.

But you have to ask - Is the current crop of players suitable to play Klopp's style? We wouldn't want another AVB situation like we had 2-3 years ago and there were even accusations that Klopp didn't know how to change or what to do when his playing style wasn't working anymore for Dortmund last season.

I feel like Klopp needs another managerial position before he steps up to the Madrid/Barcelona/Chelsea's of the world. See if he can adapt to another league and still demonstrate the same attributes that made him a success at Dortmund

[Jase 43,479]

From the BBC interview:

Interviewer: Southampton also questioned about having penalties in the first half...

Mourinho: I prefer not to comment. [leaves]

Really Mourinho? You were slagging off the ref because you think refs are scared to give us a penalty but Southampton also had strong penalty shouts and they also didn't get!

You are not being honest Jose, you are looking more arrogant and ignorant than ever.

Not sure why that needs to be pointed out. We know managers always turn a blind eye when a decision goes against the opposition/in their favor. Nothing new here and certainly not when it involves Mourinho.

[Blue-in-me-Veins 4,067]

But you have to ask - Is the current crop of players suitable to play Klopp's style? We wouldn't want another AVB situation like we had 2-3 years ago and there were even accusations that Klopp didn't know how to change or what to do when his playing style wasn't working anymore for Dortmund last season.

I definitely think so.

The only player who is clearly not suited to his system would be Cesc, because he cannot press to save his life, but Costa, Oscar, Willian, Matic all are capable ball winners and pressers. We even have the athletic and mobile Fullbacks too in Baba and Azpi.

[Pizy 18,994]

But you have to ask - Is the current crop of players suitable to play Klopp's style? We wouldn't want another AVB situation like we had 2-3 years ago and there were even accusations that Klopp didn't know how to change or what to do when his playing style wasn't working anymore for Dortmund last season.

I think we would immediately see a change to our attacking play under Klopp. The tempo and build up would surely improve. Also think he'd utilize Baba straight away and let Ivanovic go at the end of the season. Not sure a player like Fabregas would suit his style at all so that would be a big problem.

Again, this will be the problem with anyone we bring in if José is sacked. He's got loads of guys that perfectly suit HIS football so whoever we get will need at LEAST a couple of transfer windows to create their team.

[Vytis33 1,286]

The manager can only do so much. At some point it falls on the players shoulders. Cesc has been pitiful. Matic is unrecognizable. So the middle of our team has been gutted which puts more pressure on everyone else. Then everyone on this forum is pissing and moaning about Ivan which is fair. But did it ever occur that he might truly be the best option (as scary as that sounds)? Baba has hardly looked convincing in his few appearances.

We had a whole transfer window to strengthen the team and did almost nothing. Fairly confident that if Jose had carte blance he would've brought more players in...so not sure he's entirely to blame here.

[Jase 43,479]

I definitely think so.

The only player who is clearly not suited to his system would be Cesc, because he cannot press to save his life, but Costa, Oscar, Willian, Matic all are capable ball winners and pressers. We even have the athletic and mobile Fullbacks too in Baba and Azpi.

But what about the center backs? We can't have slow and reactive defenders in the back 4 if we're going to go down that route and if that playing style can't be sustained, can Klopp find another way to make things work? His last season at Dortmund suggests 'No'. We wouldn't want a manager who knows only one way of playing and has no idea what to do when that style isn't working.

I think we would immediately see a change to our attacking play under Klopp. The tempo and build up would surely improve. Also think he'd utilize Baba straight away and let Ivanovic go at the end of the season. Not sure a player like Fabregas would suit his style at all so that would be a big problem.

Again, this will be the problem with anyone we bring in if José is sacked. He's got loads of guys that perfectly suit HIS football so whoever we get will need at LEAST a couple of transfer windows to create their team.

That's likely to happen regardless of who we replace Mourinho with. But here's the thing, the players' improvement then might have more gotta do with the old manager going and a new one coming in and they are just reacting to that change before everything goes back to the dull state again.

[Myself 793]

I don't think sacking Mourinho right now would be the best choice - give him until January, I say. Even at this early point of the season, I don't think we're going to finish at the top, so what's the worst that could happen? If stability is truly what we're after then the man who's won the title thrice with us deserves until January. He OBVIOUSLY wants to stay here, and if Abramovich talks to Jose about the teams playstyle I don't understand why he wouldn't change it.

I think what we really need to do is get rid of deadwood and for the meantime use our academy, the likes of Baker/RLC/Solanke are definitely ready, willing, and able and more importantly infinitely better than Ramires/Mikel/Falcao/Cuadrado etc.

[Jase 43,479]

But the irony. He said he'll never run away, but then runs away when he's asked about the Southampton penalty shouts.

You're now just taking his words out of context. When Mourinho said he won't run away, he meant he won't leave the job on his own accord.

[Hybrid Angel 2,130]

There is no comeback for Mourinho. I like to believe but it won't happen because he has shown no sign of that. People who are defending him, did you even read his post-match comments? When he is showing no will to make things better, there is no need to support him. Side note: Supporting the manager is not the same thing as supporting Chelsea.

I want Klopp. He is a key to our Hazards, Pedros, Oscars, Fabregas' and Willians. Hope the scourses don't get him.

[Myself 793]

There is no comeback for Mourinho. I like to believe but it won't happen because he has shown no sign of that. People who are defending him, did you even read his post-match comments? When he is showing no will to make things better, there is no need to support him. Side note: Supporting the manager is not the same thing as supporting Chelsea.

I want Klopp. He is a key to our Hazards, Pedros, Oscars, Fabregas' and Willians. Hope the scourses don't get him.

Dortmund's 15/16 season was a terrible one. He started just like we are and he finished just like some of you guys think we might (not saying you in specific haha). Why would you want him?

[Jase 43,479]

I know this manager hasn't done great of late but surprised no one has mentioned Hiddink, particularly if we're looking to have an interim manager till the end of the season.

[Vybz Kartel 1,613]

I'm one of the biggest Mourinho critic over here but the blame has to be shared with the board and the players. Players need to play for their wages ie Fabregas, Ivanovic, Terry, Costa just to name a few. As for the board they should have kicked on w seems to always make the same mistake after winning the title. This is just a carbon copy of the 2010/11 season were we failed the manager then by not signing Aguero and freshening the team. Mou makes mistakes yes but this group of players is the worst in the Roman era. No fight at all

[Pizy 18,994]

I know this manager hasn't done great of late but surprised no one has mentioned Hiddink, particularly if we're looking to have an interim manager till the end of the season.

Think he's done as a manager at the top level. Names like Hiddink and Capello that I'm seeing here just aren't the level of manager we need. Even as an interim. We're better off just sticking with José.

[Reddish-Blue 2,517]

I know this manager hasn't done great of late but surprised no one has mentioned Hiddink, particularly if we're looking to have an interim manager till the end of the season.

He's failed in every position since leaving Russia's national team in 2010..

[Adnane 1,101]

I'm perfectly aware that what I am about to post could cause a shitstorm by being reallt controversial at this exact moment, but after sitting down, forgetting about the awful game just gone in particular, rearranging my thoughts on the matter, I think I might finally be able to fully express my opinion.

My unconditional love for Mourinho has got a huge hit, three times in a row in the last few days.

The first one came on the day of the game against Porto, I was perfectly glad hearing what he had to say about no intouchables and picking the best guys at the moment, but when the teams were out, I felt extremely disappointed by him, mainly because of the fact that he kept underperformers such as Ivanovic and Fabregas, and benched Matic ( I was quite mad about Hazard too but then we all just knew he had a child the day before ). I was really defending him before that, although not necessarily understanding what good he keeps seeing in picking Ivanovic, but I kept believing in him.

The second one was during the game early on, when subbed off Matic, I was absolutely furious with the manager i could've called untouchable at Chelsea for the last 10 years, the picture of Matic sitting on the bench, with tears in his eyes, feeling down, disappointed, emotionnaly weak, and Cesc still strolling around the park doing fuck all absolutely pissed the hell off me, I was shouting all sorts of words and that was the moment I said, José, your time is over, and joind the #MourinhoOut campaign.

The third in fact was his interview, at the time, I thought it was an absolute disgrace, we are a team having huge collective and individual problems, sitting 16th in the table with 8 points from 8 games, what we need is a collective wake-up call, solidarity, empathy for one another, not a cocky individual show by our already within sacking distance manager, I didn't want him to talk about himself, talk about the team for fuck sake, defend them, remind everyone that we are champions, and that we are coming back, these bunch of guys deserve more credit than they got last year and surely need more support and kicks in the asses than you standing up only for yourself, talking shit about referees THREE FUCKING TIMES during a single interview and making it the headline of every Chelsea defeat you've had along the way since you came back, or stating that the club NEEDS YOU to avoid spreading the wrong message obviously, it's always on the manager, nor slamming the already destroyed Matic publicly while Iva and Cesc could jerk off on your suit and you still would be picking them.

I have no problem with the fact that the club need to be careful with the message they are sending, that the bunch of guys who were bu a country mile the best of the country just a few months ago need to get their shit together and turn it around individually, nor that we need stability, solidarity, cohesion and standing up for each other in these tough times as it is arguably the hardest time this club has seen for over a decade or so, BUT, I do have a problem with you going fully psychic in the interview, insluting the press, blaming referees, and expressing all of the matters we experience publicly, we win together, and we win together, if you do not want the axe, get your shit together, protect your players, NOT BY BLAMING REFEREES, NOR BY TALKING ABOUT THE SACK SHIT, no.

First, give credit to the Southampton players for the absolutely magnificent game they had, yes, they were so mainly because we were shit, but give yourself some class, give yourself a breather, build sympathy around you by giving credit to those who deserve it first in such an important interview in your career and Chelsea's season. Secondly, slam the team collectively, not the ref, extremely disappointed with the display, we were awful, we were shit, we deserve to lose.

Then finish your interview by claiming that you see the end of the tunnel, that your players know how to turn it around, that champions don't disappear in three months, use whatever poetic words you need to, MOTIVATE THEM IN FRONT OF THE PRESS, pick them up, take the blame : " We know how bad we were, we are working on this, it's another disappointement, but we will come back, I promise".

End of story, don't talk any fucking refereeing nonsense, don't talk about Matic, avoid questions, apparently you have been doing so for 15 years now whenever you wanted to, storm out of the press spot or whatever it is called having transmitted the right message, no more no less, the board have the decision, the referee did his job, we were bad, congrats to the saints, we work and we will come back, we stick together and we were champions a few months ago. FULL FUCKING STOP.

This is what I was ideally waiting to hear from Mourinho, but then again, that was the biggest deception i had with him to date, these 3 events.

On his defence, he had some pretty fair points.

- Our players play absolutely miles below their normal levels, stand up for yourselves, be men, no bullshit like Matic being afraid to go out there and play, pick yourselves up, you are Chelsea and are paid a shitload of money by the club to perform your duties, that money comes mainly from stadium revenue, so you OWE IT TO THE FANS.

- As much as we win together, celebrate, and so on, WE DO LOSE TOGETHER, everything should be worked out within the club, even individual mistakes, we should all help each other, this generation has already lived pretty euphoric moments by cruising to the title last year, and the team spirit should be absolutely fucking high, as much as the belief that they WILL turn things around.

- Last point, what kind of message does the board send if they sack him ?

Now pardon me, I am absolutely furious about the way José put it, he made it look like it is ALL ABOUT HIM, and that we need him, and he deserves a few tough words from the people above him, but he is absolutely right.

Everyone at the club have been going on and on about the need for stability in the last years, the need for a long-term project, a successful generation, youth, an identifiable chelsea blueprint, etc. WE SHOULDN'T QUIT at the first tough test, if i learned anything by supporting this football club for more than 10 years, it is that we never die, as long as we fight, and we have already turned absolutely critical situations around, we CAN do it, and we SHOULD stick by our plan.

Say we sack José, fair enough, he absolutely deserves it at the moment with the results, his attitude AND his favoritism, I do not wanna argue with the pros and cons of each available coach out there ( as we already know there aren't much ), do we know guys how much it takes for the guys to get used to the new coach's methods ? Do we all know we need to pay Mourinho absolutely ridiculous money to bring over someone with whom we might not perform as well ? Do we know the shitstorm we would be inclined to come the end of the season ? With all the departures ? New ways of working ? New era ? Say we got Klopp, nobody will convince me he will keep us winning for a decade, no manager will in the current european football, what do we do ? Sack him after 18-24 months again ? No, I do not wanna go that same route again, we have a plan, we stick to it, we do NOT wanna open that door, do we know how much it costs us to change a team according to the newcomer's philosophy ? Didn't it cost us trophies in the past 10 years ? Didn't we need caretaker after caretaker ? Once we go that road, we are NEVER coming back.

One of the best moments i had to witness in football is Sir Alex's departure speech, against Swansea on 2013, I will never forget one of his most powerful words " You stood by me, stand by your manager".

I do NOT believe we should stand by any wanker who comes along the road, no one could even get close to half the dynasty Sir alex built and I don't think what he achieved will ever be matched again.

But who are we talking about in our case ? This is JOSE MOURINHO for fuck sake, if ANY FUCKING MANAGER EVER DESERVED BLIND GREEN CARDS, FORGIVENESS and SECOND CHANCES IN THIS FOOTBALL CLUB THEN IT HAS TO BE HIM.

We owe to him the trust, for the moments he seemed to lose it and completely got it back, remember winter 2013 ? post tottenham when we were losing and drawing last year ? AND HE OWES US A LOT, STARTING BY WORKING WITH THE PLAYERS AND FIXING UP THE FUCKING MESS THEY ALL MADE OF OUR FOOTBALL CLUB in the last few months.

I want him to stay, fix that with the players, get back on track, because that will make this football club STRONGER THAN EVER, we are not pussies who run from the responsibility anymore, i do not wanna turn into madrid, keeping the prestige of sacking managers when things go wrong at the expense of winning ONE title in 7 years, ONE Champions league over 12 years and getting absolutely smashed by Barcelona throughout that period.

I want this football club to come back from down below, I want my manager to get back to the real legend he was, the one that we used to love, STOP YOUR FUCKING REFEREEING BULLSHIT, you can say that when you have a won a few games and feel unlucky, I'm totally for the manager standing up for his team and that was one of the things I absolutely hated about Ancelotti for one, start picking the players that deserve, bench those who don't, don't be affraid, you know how messy the situation is, you KNOW that if you keep picking underperformers you WILL EVENTUALLY GET SACKED, your choices might bite you.

Double your work hours in your office, analyze your team, find answers, you are Mourinho, one of the greatest coach the game has ever seen, if you wanna anchor your name forever in the history of this football club, pick yourself up and bring us back to the top, i believe he can, and I believe our players can come back stronger and feel absolutely invincible when this horrible nightmare is over, I want PEOPLE TO TAKE THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES AND FIX THIS SHIT THEY MADE

This just to say, that I have been defending the guy for months/years now, and that he absolutely let me down in the last few weeks/days, and that I was the first one calling for his head all over the internet on the heat of the moment after the game today, but this is also to say that we owe each other a last chance, for what he has done for us, and for the mess he has done to us, we don't live the good moments only, we take the whole package, if we want to have a successful history together with this manager, we stick through THICK AND THIN.

I have absolutely no idea what the guys on the board think, I just hope he gets exactly this kind of speech, because he deserves a chances, even though I am ABSOLUTELY furious with him, but give him a chance to fix his shit.

KEEP THE BLUE FLAG FLYING HIGH.

[Rmpr 8,977]

I know this manager hasn't done great of late but surprised no one has mentioned Hiddink, particularly if we're looking to have an interim manager till the end of the season.

I thought he retired...

[nullabletype 987]

Seems on this forum that many of the people who are craving stability are the same people calling for Mourinho's head. Our first real wobble since his return, off the back of a double no less, and they want him gone... Stability indeed.

Makes you wonder how much time any new manager would be afforded. Klopp to pick a popular name, would he also be under intense scrutiny if he were in the same position? Is a period of instability all it takes to declare a potential long term project a failure and so on to the next one?

Stability means taking the rough with the smooth and since José came back this is the only really rough period we've had.

[Despiadado.Maleante 1,046]

Based on the post match interview it's clear as day the guy has lost his mind. Sack him ffs. He beyond embarrassing.

[Blue_Fox_ 2,086]

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That is some really aggressive love right there

But it's exactly how i've been feeling in the last few weeks/days, and exactly what i've been saying a few times, we're only coming out stronger as a team if we get by this bad run with the same staff and players as we do now. Everyone will mature, even José and the club will really benefit from it.

Brilliant post.