The Mourinho Thread

[zolayes 14,489]

100% and I'm glad he's in the position of power.

We need stability and fortunately we are being forced into keeping on that track rather than panicking after bad results/some issues. Try being an Arsenal fan, 10 years with nothing, unfortunately our success came too quickly and in the modern world Chelsea fans are spoilt as fuck, sadly.

Still behind Jose, so what, one season of mediocrity after not getting Jose's summer targets, I'm fine with that.

Chill.

A season of transition would be fine if we could see progress on the horizon . The lack of faith in youth suggests the opposite , There is little to suggest things will improve .

The players showed more passion and effort today which suggests we can finish near the top 5 . It doesnt suggest that next year we will be title challengers.

[Laylabelle 9,359]

We need stability but we also need results.If we looked like changing be more positive but we lost.Again!it's worrying how we're not even halfway through the season and already lost 5 without looking like changing.

[DH1988 1,273]

A season of transition would be fine if we could see progress on the horizon . The lack of faith in youth suggests the opposite , There is little to suggest things will improve .

The players showed more passion and effort today which suggests we can finish near the top 5 . It doesnt suggest that next year we will be title challengers.

Progress with what? Players he didn't get? We want £40m John Stones and we ended up with Papy a £2m signing, just put that into perspective for a moment. Do I agree with everything Jose does? Absolutely not, do I think he's the right man for us? Absolutely.

Its a tough period, other teams have been through similar in seasons past we just have to fight our spoilt brat attitudes after being lauded with trophies.

To me, it said to the board exactly what Jose said 'After winning the league standing still in the transfer window is dangerous'

[zolayes 14,489]

Progress with what? Players he didn't get? We want £40m John Stones and we ended up with Papy a £2m signing, just put that into perspective for a moment. Do I agree with everything Jose does? Absolutely not, do I think he's the right man for us? Absolutely.

Its a tough period, other teams have been through similar in seasons past we just have to fight our spoilt brat attitudes after being lauded with trophies.

To me, it said to the board exactly what Jose said 'After winning the league standing still in the transfer window is dangerous'

Im not going to get into a discussion about the players he got rid of ,, But I don't see him building the dynasty he promised . . Im far too old to be a spoiled brat as well .. And I value

some things more than trophies for which I am castigated often here,

[Muzchap 8,966]

Jesus - when will people learn

Zouma should not have started at RB

I didn't watch the match - I was busy modding my van! But I knew what to expect.

Jose has to go - it's that simple

Someone else said poor management makes players poor - I 100% agree with this.

Time for a change

[Jype 6,398]

My only question is if Jose goes, who do we bring in? Brendan fucking Rodgers?

[Leif 6,006]

we need stability, stability is consistency. our consistency is firing managers. for the sake of stability, we must fire Jose.

[Fernando 6,465]

Im not going to get into a discussion about the players he got rid of ,, But I don't see him building the dynasty he promised . . Im far too old to be a spoiled brat as well .. And I value

some things more than trophies for which I am castigated often here,

I'm not spoil brat neither.

I often said that we can't have every season great.

I expect us to have a bad season, but the fact here is that we are in a relegation mode type. There is no real progress in the way we play futbol, we actually gone back from the flair and creativity we once had.

And of course there is the bad image Mourinho give us.

To have 3 seasons like we are having I rather have someone like Pellegrini. Yes someone like Pellegrini, that might not be the best manager in the world but at least he brings some respect and dignity.

We had this under Carlo, there was a great buzz after the first season.

Then we hit a bad season patch like this season and quickly fire him.

No matter who we get we will get bad patches, but I rather support someone who is respectful and doesn't bring such a bad vibe all the time.

[MrBlueGuy 1,552]

My only question is if Jose goes, who do we bring in? Brendan fucking Rodgers?

Football exists outside of England you know...doesn't have to a big name that everyone heard of. What about some promising young Spanish managers like that Porto coach? For example I would take Pochettino over Mourinho right now and a couple of years ago no one heard of him either, that is why there is a scouting system.

Our manager doesn't need to be a world cup, CL, 10 leagues title winner written on his CV. People point to AVB and say this approach doesn't work out well but back then there was too many ego, with Terry soon to leave no players will throw the manager under the bus for their own benefits again.

[MrBlueGuy 1,552]

I'm not spoil brat neither.

I often said that we can't have every season great.

I expect us to have a bad season, but the fact here is that we are in a relegation mode type. There is no real progress in the way we play futbol, we actually gone back from the flair and creativity we once had.

And of course there is the bad image Mourinho give us.

To have 3 seasons like we are having I rather have someone like Pellegrini. Yes someone like Pellegrini, that might not be the best manager in the world but at least he brings some respect and dignity.

We had this under Carlo, there was a great buzz after the first season, then we hit a bad season like this season and quickly fire him.

No matter who we get we will get bad patches, but I rather support someone who is respectful and doesn't bring such a bad vibe all the time.

Is Carlo's bad season consist of us being knocked out by a MU team that reached CL final that year, losing the league by a couple of games with one directly against MU at their home stadium?

If that is bad I dread to think what we can call this season, no word has been invented for the level difference yet.

[Tomo 21,733]

Calciopoli.

I'm not saying he did a perfect job but branding him as manager that leaves disasters behind, to the point of needing years of rebuilding is incredibly harsh. I know you're not a fan of Ancelotti but a bit of nuance wouldn't hurt.

Torres' signing wasn't crazy. It turned out to be a gigantic flop but the thought process behind the signing wasn't dumb. Sheva's signing was just as bad but the club dealt with him much better.

That's a thing, an on song Carlo I'm a massive fan off, but his weaknesses are off putting.

The Stoke game in 09/10 is hands down the best and most complete performance we have ever had, but 10/11 sums up every thing I don't like about his sides, they get complacent at awfully inappropriate times, we did it and so did Real last season and I still cringe at his naming line up in pressures.

[Fernando 6,465]

Football exists outside of England you know...doesn't have to a big name that everyone heard of. What about some promising young Spanish managers like that Porto coach? For example I would take Pochettino over Mourinho right now and a couple of years ago no one heard of him either, that is why there is a scouting system.

Our manager doesn't need to be a world cup, CL, 10 leagues title winner written on his CV. People point to AVB and say this approach doesn't work out well but back then there was too many ego, with Terry soon to leave no players will throw the manager under the bus for their own benefits again.

If we are hiring crazy guys, I would love it that we hire Bielsa for one season.

Might be the perfect time to have someone like him for this short term time.

He is available, is a top coach but very crazy, and can do great work in a short period of time as he did with Bilbao and Marseille.

Only I would not keep him long term because he demands too much. And you can't play his type of futbol every season, players get warn out.

But would be perfect for right now till the end of the season.

But hey that's my humble opinion, don't know what the club wants or is thinking.

[Jype 6,398]

Football exists outside of England you know...doesn't have to a big name that everyone heard of. What about some promising young Spanish managers like that Porto coach? For example I would take Pochettino over Mourinho right now and a couple of years ago no one heard of him either, that is why there is a scouting system.

Our manager doesn't need to be a world cup, CL, 10 leagues title winner written on his CV. People point to AVB and say this approach doesn't work out well but back then there was too many ego, with Terry soon to leave no players will throw the manager under the bus for their own benefits again.

I'm perfectly aware football exists all over the world, it's kinda ironic you say that but then hadn't heard of Pochettino prior to his arrival in England.

Thing is, not many decent managers are available mid-season. If it's a choice between giving Mourinho some time to try turn things around or sacking him just for the sake of sacking and then replace him with some second rate cunt I'd rather stick with Mourinho. It's not exactly looking good for him right now but if the replacement isn't any better I don't see a reason to make the change and instead would wait till next summer when there might actually be some good alternatives (Guardiola etc.) to set the sights on.

[CurlyHairLikeLuiz 1,625]

Sorry but Mourinho was not at fault for losing this one, WHU players got Matic sent off (I saw it with my own eyes; they harangued the referee into giving out the second yellow when originally he refrained from the second booking, the Fabregas goal was allegedly onside (but that was at the other end, we could not see it), we were denied by brilliant defending with the goal-line save and finally two downright despicable misses from Hazard in his 1v1 with the keeper and the Ramires shot.

If it was bad tactics by Mourinho I would understand but this time we were denied by incompetence of which both the ref and the players were culpable.

I ripped up my ticket post match, that game made my blood boil, it really did.

So, from what I saw. Player ratings:

Amir Begovic - 6/10. Made a great save in the first half but conceding 2 will never leave a good mark on a goalie.

Kurt Zouma - 3/10. Became the embodiment of Branislav Ivanovic, rubbish on every level and people just ran through him. Sorry but I must agree; at least Baba can attack.

John Terry - 7/10. Regular performance by him, his side of Azpi-JT-Mikel was solid.

Gary Cahill - 7/10. Scored a goal, did his best to cover for Kurt (who also looked lethargic) and ran the ball out of defence a few times. Normal service.

Azpi - 7/10. See above.

Ramires - 6/10. Good all round but should have scored so that knocks his rating down a little - at times he looked a little aimless

Matic N/A - Did not deserve his red, got it at the mercy of the crowd, and therefore I will not blame him.

Mikel - 7/10. Stepped in well, played the ball forward a few times and was generally a good holder.

Fabregas - 8/10 (bear in mind I only had a half to judge him) he had a good game, put in tackles, played a few good balls, reflected by the fact his player thread is quiet. Subbed to shore up the Matic-less midfield.

Hazard - 5/10. Should have finished his opportunity and usually dribbled nowhere to the corner flag, getting Azpi to send in a cross and getting completely aerially dominated.

Willian - 9/10, MOTM. Nearly scored twice from free kicks, sent in the corner that we converted, dribbled well - he just needs to add shooting in open play to his game and all of a sudden he's a damn fine winger.

Diego Costa - 6/10 got fouled a few times but needs to increase his presence and his dribbling as he does not get much support from the middle (heavily exacerbated by the 10-men)

Falcao - N/A he wasn't very good but gets saved from the cut by not having enough time to really have an expectation from him.

[zolayes 14,489]

Sorry but Mourinho was not at fault for losing this one, WHU players got Matic sent off (I saw it with my own eyes; they harangued the referee into giving out the second yellow when originally he refrained from the second booking, the Fabregas goal was allegedly onside (but that was at the other end, we could not see it), we were denied by brilliant defending with the goal-line save and finally two downright despicable misses from Hazard in his 1v1 with the keeper and the Ramires shot.

If it was bad tactics by Mourinho I would understand but this time we were denied by incompetence of which both the ref and the players were culpable.

I ripped up my ticket post match, that game made my blood boil, it really did.

So, from what I saw. Player ratings:

Amir Begovic - 6/10. Made a great save in the first half but conceding 2 will never leave a good mark on a goalie.

Kurt Zouma - 3/10. Became the embodiment of Branislav Ivanovic, rubbish on every level and people just ran through him. Sorry but I must agree; at least Baba can attack.

John Terry - 7/10. Regular performance by him, his side of Azpi-JT-Mikel was solid.

Gary Cahill - 7/10. Scored a goal, did his best to cover for Kurt (who also looked lethargic) and ran the ball out of defence a few times. Normal service.

Ramires - 6/10. Good all round but should have scored so that knocks his rating down a little - at times he looked a little aimless

Matic N/A - Did not deserve his red, got it at the mercy of the crowd, and therefore I will not blame him.

Mikel - 7/10. Stepped in well, played the ball forward a few times and was generally a good holder.

Fabregas - 8/10 (bear in mind I only had a half to judge him) he had a good game, put in tackles, played a few good balls, reflected by the fact his player thread is quiet. Subbed to shore up the Matic-less midfield.

only saw it on tv but IMO both cards were justified .. The first was understandable as the player was getting free the second was naive and not needed . Don't blame the crowd

Matic was to blame .

[Belgiannutt 3,201]

Progress with what? Players he didn't get? We want £40m John Stones and we ended up with Papy a £2m signing, just put that into perspective for a moment. Do I agree with everything Jose does? Absolutely not, do I think he's the right man for us? Absolutely.

Its a tough period, other teams have been through similar in seasons past we just have to fight our spoilt brat attitudes after being lauded with trophies.

To me, it said to the board exactly what Jose said 'After winning the league standing still in the transfer window is dangerous'

No offense but i think you need to put things in perspective. Your complaining about Mourinho not getting a £40m player but forgetting that he had 5 transferwindows to buy players in which we bought :

Willian 35.5 million

Matic 25 milion

Schurrle 22 million

Salah 16.5 million

Zouma 14.6 million

Costa 38 million

Fabregas 33 million

Cuadrado 31 million

Filipe Luis 20 million

Remy 13.2 million

Pedro 27 million

Rahmann 26 million

Begovic 11 million

All combined that's 312.8 million euros in 5 transferwindows on 13 players.

We've spent 312.8 million euros on incoming players.

People love to deflect from the amount of money we spent on players by saying we also sold alot of players for profit. Which is true but it doesn't change the fact that we've bought alot of fucking players (and they weren't cheap !)

and now your using us not spending 40, 50, 60, 70 million in the last transferwindow as an excuse for the abysmal season we're having ?! Come on. He's had his transfers. He's had his time to shape this team.

He's not dealing with an ageing squad nor a squad of youngsters there's no reason why we should be in this mess right now.

If Mourinho can't make this squad tick without new transfers, which he helped put together in the last 2 years ,then he isn't the right man.

[xPetrCechx 13,563]

Sorry but Mourinho was not at fault for losing this one, WHU players got Matic sent off (I saw it with my own eyes; they harangued the referee into giving out the second yellow when originally he refrained from the second booking, the Fabregas goal was allegedly onside (but that was at the other end, we could not see it), we were denied by brilliant defending with the goal-line save and finally two downright despicable misses from Hazard in his 1v1 with the keeper and the Ramires shot.

remind me?

[Blue-in-me-Veins 4,067]

The only real alternative to JM is Carlo Ancelotti, but I'm not for that move..

Although, maybe Roman could persuade Jupp Heynckes to come out of retirement until the end of the season? Not entirely implausible tbh.