The Mourinho Thread

[Jase 43,479]

Sacking Mourinho is ridiculous but he really does need to rethink his tactical approach for next season.

If he wants to sit deep and counter then fine but make it work so that we don't concede chances and are actually capable of effectively countering.

It just isn't working this season. We've got 10 behind the ball yet we're still conceding big chances and our counters have been very poor this season.

To be fair, it doesn't help when the players have a tendency to produce brainfart decisions with their final passes and/or have poor technique/control of the ball to screw up the counter attacks.

[bababoom 4,478]

[Belgiannutt 3,201]

To be fair, it doesn't help when the players have a tendency to produce brainfart decisions with their final passes and/or have poor technique/control of the ball to screw up the counter attacks.

True but that's down to our squad being riddled by players that have poor technical ability and Mourinho is responsible for playing/ buying them/not replacing them.

Based on technical ability Oscar, Ramires, Ivanovic, Cahill and Willian shouldn't be starters for us. That's 5 players that are regulars for us yet lack the proper technical ability to play at the top level.

It's totally unacceptable at this level that players consistently fuck up chances or cheaply give away possession because they can't properly control a football or panic when put under pressure or always make the wrong decision in the final third.

[WNDS 502]

True but that's down to our squad being riddled by players that have poor technical ability and Mourinho is responsible for playing/ buying them/not replacing them.

Based on technical ability Oscar, Ramires, Ivanovic, Cahill and Willian shouldn't be starters for us. That's 5 players that are regulars for us yet lack the proper technical ability to play at the top level.

It's totally unacceptable at this level that players consistently fuck up chances or cheaply give away possession because they can't properly control a football or panic when put under pressure or always make the wrong decision in the final third.

I'm not at all convinced that Willian actually lacks technical ability. I'd even place him in the top 3 players in this team when it comes down to raw technique (alongside Hazard and Fabregas). The problem he has is that, whilst also possessing good balance to go with his technical abilities, he is not at all agile. It's probably for this reason that he doesn't dribble as much as he could (or should), and also why he sometimes struggles when denied space. Like many of our players, his decision-making in the final third IS an issue, however.

Oscar is a weird one in that from touch-to-touch within a single game his technique can look either very good or appalling; I'm STILL not sure which better represents the 'real' Oscar.

Ramires and Ivanovic are undeniably sub-par in terms of their technique, and I think you could also add Costa to that list as well. Cahill's technique is 'fine' for a CB as far as I'm concerned.

The biggest issue I have with the squad is that so many of our players have poor decision-making all across the pitch (as you and so many other have already noted); only Fabregas, Matic, Luis (when he plays), and Terry appear to be genuinely reliable in choosing the 'correct' option more often than not.

[The Chels 2,502]

True but that's down to our squad being riddled by players that have poor technical ability and Mourinho is responsible for playing/ buying them/not replacing them.

Based on technical ability Oscar, Ramires, Ivanovic, Cahill and Willian shouldn't be starters for us. That's 5 players that are regulars for us yet lack the proper technical ability to play at the top level.

It's totally unacceptable at this level that players consistently fuck up chances or cheaply give away possession because they can't properly control a football or panic when put under pressure or always make the wrong decision in the final third.

Good point. How many of our players would you say are consistently able to make the right decision when pressed (and not just in their head à la Terry and Cesc who are intelligent but not mobile enough)? Personally I'd say Luis, Hazard, Matic and arguably Azpi (only when at RB though). That's it.

I know it's unreasonable to expect 10 outfield players who are all intelligent, mobile and technically excellent but to have only 2-3 of that kind in our starting line-up is very underwhelming.

[manpe 10,861]

We lost on an away goal, nothing else separated us. Ivanovic lost Luiz for the first goal, Silva scored a monstrous unsaveable header for the second and I think it was JT who should have done better. I can understand all the philosophical discussions over Mourinho's approach, but yesterday's elimination is hard to blame on him.

[Despiadado.Maleante 1,046]

Too many big game flops in your team, especially in attack. Willian, Oscar, Fabragas and Costa to an extent are practically useless in big games.

[Belgiannutt 3,201]

I'm not at all convinced that Willian actually lacks technical ability. I'd even place him in the top 3 players in this team when it comes down to raw technique (alongside Hazard and Fabregas). The problem he has is that, whilst also possessing good balance to go with his technical abilities, he is not at all agile. It's probably for this reason that he doesn't dribble as much as he could (or should), and also why he sometimes struggles when denied space. Like many of our players, his decision-making in the final third IS an issue, however.

Oscar is a weird one in that from touch-to-touch within a single game his technique can look either very good or appalling; I'm STILL not sure which better represents the 'real' Oscar.

Ramires and Ivanovic are undeniably sub-par in terms of their technique, and I think you could also add Costa to that list as well. Cahill's technique is 'fine' for a CB as far as I'm concerned.

The biggest issue I have with the squad is that so many of our players have poor decision-making all across the pitch (as you and so many other have already noted); only Fabregas, Matic, Luis (when he plays), and Terry appear to be genuinely reliable in choosing the 'correct' option more often than not.

Willian is a weird one for me. He has great technical ability outside the final third but the moment he gets into the final third he turns into Ramires in terms of technical ability and decision making. Very weird.

Was actually going to put Costa aswell. His first touch seems to be very hit and miss with lately it being more miss then hit.

Cahill's basic technique is fine for a cb but his ability to play out from the back is not. He's absolutely horrendous at it imo. He waits and waits then when he gets pressed he panics and knocks it long into no man's land.

Inconsistent technique and inability to play out from the back under pressure are things that i consider to be poor technical ability.

I suppose i'm a bit too loose with the term "technical ability".

Good point. How many of our players would you say are consistently able to make the right decision when pressed (and not just in their head à la Terry and Cesc who are intelligent but not mobile enough)? Personally I'd say Luis, Hazard, Matic and arguably Azpi (only when at RB though). That's it.

I know it's unreasonable to expect 10 outfield players who are all intelligent, mobile and technically excellent but to have only 2-3 of that kind in our starting line-up is very underwhelming.

Yeah i'd agree with the names you said. Luis, Hazard, Matic and Azpi on the right are the only players that possess the technical ability, mobility and intelligence to effectively handle getting pressed.

Wish we'd go after Varane and Pogba in the summer. (or players of the same ilk) and Mourinho stopped using Ivanovic over Luis.

We'd have such a great team.

Costa

Hazard Willian

Pogba Fabregas

Matic

Luis Azpi

Terry/Zouma Varane

Courtois

:worship: :worship: :worship: :worship:

[BlueLyon 9,359]

We are absolute shit in keeping lead this season.

I dont know why we keep on with such tactical approach if we cant get results.

Two seasons in row, we calculated in CL instead of playing football and we got burned both times. Its absolutely sad we cant learn from mistakes and improve. Even with Cesc, matic and Costa we couldnt beat Psg but we could do so without them last year.

Lack of heart in this team is disturbing and concerning.

[Blue Armour 4,448]

Jose should take responsibility for last nights result, but the way some people react here is as if we lost 3-1 at home to Monaco

[Henrique 9,133]

I'm confused about these news.

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/563573/Jose-Mourinho-New-Four-Year-Chelsea-Contract

According to Express Mourinho's current contract is a 4 year deal. To be honest, it seems a little nonsensical to offer Mourinho a two years extend at this point if he still has 2 years and half left...

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/430451/Chelsea-Jose-Mourinho-Contract

Daily Star says its the current contract is a 3 year deal, so Roman is no willing to let Jose go at the end of the next season.

Both articles are saying that a "Chelsea insider" told them that Roman will give Mourinho a two extend even with "a catastrophic collapse in the Premier League title race".

To honest that doesn't make any sense. We must question the reasons behind this "Chelsea insider". Mourinho is a very influent man. To other side, at this point, everything the board want to avoid, is putting Mourinho and his team under pressure, because lets be honest, its really hard to imagine any manager in the world surviving an embarrassing UCL exit followed by a "catastrophic collapse" in the domestic league.

[Pizy 18,946]

That press conference. Hahahaha!

"I'm not like some of you journalists who write bullshit and then don't show up to the next press conference."

[Leif 6,006]

Tbh I feel like watching his PC's are a waste of time now. He does not implement anything he says. From the youth, to a more positive style of play, to rotation, to anything. All he talks is bullshit nowadays.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

"The same players that got knocked out by PSG are the ones that won the Capital One last week and the ones that will the EPL."

"The envy is the biggest tribute that the shallows can do to a man."

Shots fired!

Stability for me is between 3 to 5 years.
You can accomplish a lot in that time.

What I don't agree is to have Mourinho as our saf.
I think that saf was an anomaly and should not be used as measuring tool.

I would prefer to look at the time frame that pep did for his team. 5 years is good enough.
Mourinho has done two and have not been two years of greatness. Two years that someone like pellegrini has done with similar resources if you can call it that...
But mourinho will get his third year, and who knows maybe 4th.
But I have not see nothing of greatness that merits unlimited amount of years.
Unless we are going the Arsenal way and be satisfied with a certain standard...

I'm in no way calling for us to give Jose a ten year deal, I'm just saying that calling for him to get sacked when we're fairly comfortably leading the EPL and just 10 days after winning the league cup is a complete overreaction.

Sacking Mourinho is ridiculous but he really does need to rethink his tactical approach for next season.

If he wants to sit deep and counter then fine but make it work so that we don't concede chances and are actually capable of effectively countering.

It just isn't working this season. We've got 10 behind the ball yet we're still conceding big chances and our counters have been very poor this season.

While I agree to an extent, you have to look at it from Jose's perspective. PSG aside of course because our approach in the second half was beyond ridiculous. But generally, these tactics have worked for most of his time, even at Chelsea. At the same time, our forwards are just not clinical. We are a team that needs to get into dangerous positions 10-15 times before we find the finish or the pass that makes a goal. So generally, I'd agree with Jose that it is NOT in our best interest to trade chances with other teams. When we play chance for chance against teams, it is more likely to end the way it did at WHL against Tottenham than against Everton.

[Fernando 6,585]

"The same players that got knocked out by PSG are the ones that won the Capital One last week and the ones that will the EPL."

"The envy is the biggest tribute that the shallows can do to a man."

Shots fired!

I'm in no way calling for us to give Jose a ten year deal, I'm just saying that calling for him to get sacked when we're fairly comfortably leading the EPL and just 10 days after winning the league cup is a complete overreaction.

While I agree to an extent, you have to look at it from Jose's perspective. PSG aside of course because our approach in the second half was beyond ridiculous. But generally, these tactics have worked for most of his time, even at Chelsea. At the same time, our forwards are just not clinical. We are a team that needs to get into dangerous positions 10-15 times before we find the finish or the pass that makes a goal. So generally, I'd agree with Jose that it is NOT in our best interest to trade chances with other teams. When we play chance for chance against teams, it is more likely to end the way it did at WHL against Tottenham than against Everton.

Like I said pellegrini did the same exact thing Mourinho is about to do this season while playing good fútbol.

So there's nothing of greatness so far.

Now this season city have not improve and pellegrini is talked about being sack.

It will be the same for mourinho if next season instead of improving we have regress, it will be the same.

[Jase 43,479]

Like I said pellegrini did the same exact thing Mourinho is about to do this season while playing good fútbol.

So there's nothing of greatness so far.

Now this season city have not improve and pellegrini is talked about being sack.

It will be the same for mourinho if next season instead of improving we have regress, it will be the same.

And yet if you look at the two clubs and managers, who actually look to have a plan on ensuring the club will enjoy more success in the years to come? Certainly not City and Pellegrini.

[Blue Colored Sky 1,807]

I think that was a brilliant press conference. The way he dissed Jamie Carragher and especially Souness while he talked that in Benfica he heard lots of things about him, that was superb. He seems so full of energy. I think he's ready to shake this side. And I am laughing my ass off when someone suggest that he's bored and tired of football and needs rest.

Also the way he talks about the future, today and also after the match against PSG. He is clearly pissed off of some players without character. For me its obvious that he will change this team in the summer.

Let's go for this league though.

[Jase 43,479]

I think that was a brilliant press conference. The way he dissed Jamie Carragher and especially Souness while he talked that in Benfica he heard lots of things about him, that was superb. He seems so full of energy. I think he's ready to shake this side. And I am laughing my ass off when someone suggest that he's bored and tired of football and needs rest.

Also the way he talks about the future, today and also after the match against PSG. He is clearly pissed off of some players without character. For me its obvious that he will change this team in the summer.

Let's go for this league though.

Hopefully, the clear-the-air talks will re-energize the team. 11 finals coming up.

[Fernando 6,585]

And yet if you look at the two clubs and managers, who actually look to have a plan on ensuring the club will enjoy more success in the years to come? Certainly not City and Pellegrini.

True point which is why it would make it worse that instead of improving next season we regress.

So we shall see if we are having the same issue that we have had many times this season.

Either we can't kill the game or hold out. We used to be good at parking the bus and now we can't even do that well. Smh

[manpe 10,861]

Can somebody kindly link to the full presser so I can watch it when I get home from work? Thanks