The Mourinho Thread

[LAM09 7,100]

cuadrado is already a bad transfer?

KDB is not a bad transfer dealing. he was woeful for us and that point of time, it was the perfect thing.

we have a perfectly settled back 4. we have the best LB in the PL in azpi. that does not mean that luis is a bas signing.

so as i see this, you are just full of salah (i mean crap).

Juan will never replace Willian, Luis will never replace Azpi and Iva. That's £50m that could have been better spent.

My reply to the last bit of nonsense - [emoji42]

[stroey 2,525]

I've said it once, my opinion has NOTHING to do with fees. Please read!

Ok forget about the fees.

Which group of players is better in your honest opinion?

A) Turnbull, KDB, Lukaku, Mata, Torres, Demba Ba, Lampard, Essien, Cole, Bertrand, Moses, Luiz.

B ) Courtois, Zouma, Filipe Luis, Cuadrado, Matic, Willian, Fabregas, Diego Costa, Remy, Drogba.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Can we forget about the nonsense analysis of 'buying and selling' which obviously is not just Jose's call, and go back to the EPIC press conference? I mean:

:lol:

[didierforever 7,349]

Juan will never replace Willian, Luis will never replace Azpi and Iva. That's £50m that could have been better spent.

My reply to the last bit of nonsense - [emoji42]

First things first, lets learn to add.

Juan - 27 mil

Luis - 16mil

27+16=43.

Surprising? U can use a calculator to verify.

Juan may or may noy replace willian, his job was to replace schurrle. If he proves to be an upgrade to schurrle, he will be a success.

Luis was taken as a back up. 16mil for one of the best LBs of the last season. Not a bad transfer is it? You can argue about his role, but a lot of players take one season to settle down. Judge him next season.

So like I said before, you are full of salah.

[LAM09 7,100]

Ok forget about the fees.

Which group of players is better in your honest opinion?

A) Turnbull, KDB, Lukaku, Mata, Torres, Demba Ba, Lampard, Essien, Cole, Bertrand, Moses, Luiz.

B ) Courtois, Zouma, Filipe Luis, Cuadrado, Matic, Willian, Fabregas, Diego Costa, Remy.

Get rid of Thibo as we bought him before Jose was even here. The bottom is better, but it's a shame 3 in that list will never get a chance by the look of things, and Willian isn't worth discussing.

I think my point is clear. Mourinho's negative deals outweigh his positive ones. I'll leave it at that.

[LAM09 7,100]

First things first, lets learn to add.

Juan - 27 mil

Luis - 16mil

27+16=43.

Surprising? U can use a calculator to verify.

Juan may or may noy replace willian, his job was to replace schurrle. If he proves to be an upgrade to schurrle, he will be a success.

Luis was taken as a back up. 16mil for one of the best LBs of the last season. Not a bad transfer is it? You can argue about his role, but a lot of players take one season to settle down. Judge him next season.

So like I said before, you are full of salah.

It's called an estimate. Heard of that word?

You aren't worth my time.

[didierforever 7,349]

People think that Mourinho has done the buying and selling?

no. But people do think that jose is the one who chose whom to buy or sell

[LAM09 7,100]

People think that Mourinho has done the buying and selling? [emoji38]

Nope. He has say in the matter is what I'm was getting at. He won't sit back and get player he doesn't want nowadays.

[Fernando 6,743]

Dude, how many times do people counter your same argument. Look at the quality of teams both these managers inherited. We were playing in europa. Getting our asses kickes by benfica and rubin kazan. Jose got a team with no identity and a happhazard grpup of players, either too old or too young compared to pele whose most playees were in the prime.

city have regressed massively while we developed. city should have walked the league last season when you compare their squads with the others. yet they needed a massive massive massive favor from us.

also, please tell me what is this supposed great futbol. pelegrini is probably the only manager who got outclassed by the specialist in failure, they were lucky to win against a 10 man united at home, they got butt fucked by pool.

Because that "counter argument" funnily enough is the same one people often use for hating on Mourinho bashing down his previous work from other teams.....Like that he got to a team ready build by someone else and yadi yadi ya.

Those are the haters that have always used those arguments against him.

I never really cared much for such scenario even though they have an element of truth.

[didierforever 7,349]

It's called an estimate. Heard of that word?

You aren't worth my time.

7mil in a figure of 43mil. Brilliant estimate. I hope u are not an accountant.

You do understand that when Jose came we lacked a proper starting 11. His signings have been the spine of the team. Cesc, matic, costa, willian, in the near future zouma.. each and every one is essential to the team and biught by jose. The supposed flops like juan (lol, one and a half month and already ), salah were squad buys and bought to replace squad players. No one can get every signing right. But each and evry ome of our major signing has been PERFECT. And that's the reason why we are 5 points ahead with a game in hand xompared to qualifying for a CL spot on the last day of the season, 2 years ago

[didierforever 7,349]

Because that "counter argument" funnily enough is the same one people often use for hating on Mourinho bashing down his previous work from other teams.....Like that he got to a team ready build by someone else and yadi yadi ya.

Those are the haters that have always used those arguments against him.

I never really cared much for such scenario even though they have an element of truth.

WHAT????

jose got readymade teams? In which universe?

He got a readymade team in porto? I'm his first stint at chelsea? At inter? In his second stint at chelsea?

Dude, I don't know if I understood what u wrote corectly but to say jose got readymade teams is well LOL

[Fernando 6,743]

WHAT????

jose got readymade teams? In which universe?

He got a readymade team in porto? I'm his first stint at chelsea? At inter? In his second stint at chelsea?

Dude, I don't know if I understood what u wrote corectly but to say jose got readymade teams is well LOL

Yes at Chelsea there was a foundation laid there by Raniere, so at Inter by Mancini, and Real Madrid by Pellegrini.

While they have an element of truth I never really cared about such views.

Nor do I care about the same thing you mention about City with Pelle and Mourinho with Chelsea.

[LAM09 7,100]

7mil in a figure of 43mil. Brilliant estimate. I hope u are not an accountant. [emoji38]

You do understand that when Jose came we lacked a proper starting 11. His signings have been the spine of the team. Cesc, matic, costa, willian, in the near future zouma.. each and every one is essential to the team and biught by jose. The supposed flops like juan (lol, one and a half month and already [emoji38] ), salah were squad buys and bought to replace squad players. No one can get every signing right. But each and evry ome of our major signing has been PERFECT. And that's the reason why we are 5 points ahead with a game in hand xompared to qualifying for a CL spot on the last day of the season, 2 years ago

This is a forum not a business. If it's £40-50m, my point still stands. It was money that wasn't well spent IMO. I'm not sure what you refer to as a big signing, but a RWF costing £30m that does bugger all in attack isn't "perfect". Having said that, he is still a great manager that is the difference.

Everyone makes mistakes in life, but the positives have to outweigh the negatives. That isn't the case ATM. Looks like I'll have to reiterate it yet again (getting tired of it), it's my opinion. No opinion is factual, so there's no need to reply.

[didierforever 7,349]

Yes at Chelsea there was a foundation laid there by Raniere, so at Inter by Mancini, and Real Madrid by Pellegrini.

While they have an element of truth I never really cared about such views.

Nor do I care about the same thing you mention about City with Pelle and Mourinho with Chelsea.

lets take into account the spine of jose teams at his tenures.

when I talk about jose at chelsea, the names that come to fore are DD, ESSIEN, ROBBEN, CECH, carvalho, , makelele, jt and frank. How many were jose bought?

Inter is a joke if yiu think anyone but jose was responsiblr. Motta, milito, etoo, lucio, sneijder. The spine of the 09-10 team was bought and made by jose.

Now lets compare it to pele's city - kompany, silva , aguero, yaya etc etc.. none of them.

To even compare these 2 scenarios is wrong and I don't know how you can't distinguish between these things.

Ps - I never mentioned RM in my post. But expect for RM, each of jose's team has been "his" teams to the core.

[Jase 43,479]

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/jose-mourinho-chelsea-manager-blasts-sky-sports-pundits-jamie-carragher-and-graeme-souness-who-is-driven-by-envy-10106709.html

It was his analysis of some of the more specific failings in his team in recent weeks that gave an insight into his faith in his players. In particular Cesc Fabregas’ form which has tended to fall away in the second half of the season in recent years at Arsenal and Barcelona.

There have been no goals or assists from Fabregas in his past nine games, in keeping with a trend that has affected him over the last five seasons. For Barcelona last season he managed 16 goals and assists combined in the first half of the season, which fell to five in the second half. This season there were 15 in the first half of the season and two in the second half so far.

Mourinho said that a combination of injuries and suspensions to Fabregas and his midfield partner Nemanja Matic had disrupted their season. “Fabregas was injured and, for me, it’s not [the fault of] Fabregas. We lost Matic suspended with five yellow cards, so he didn’t play Newcastle. Then we lost Fabregas one match suspension with five yellow cards. Then we lost Diego Costa with a suspension against Liverpool. Then we lost Fabregas again, for three matches, injured against Liverpool. Then we lost Matic suspended against Burnley.

“It’s not Fabregas. This is a [typical] season. I wouldn’t expect the same team to play Burnley in the first game and to play the last game without being interrupted. An injury is normal. A suspension is normal. An accumulation of yellow cards is normal. Form going up and down is normal.

“Every player who comes back after a muscular injury, despite the work we do to re-adapt, there’s always a break. It’s normal that we lost a little bit of our fluidity, our confidence, so our numbers in terms of goals scored, chances created [went down].”

[didierforever 7,349]

This is a forum not a business. If it's £40-50m, my point still stands. It was money that wasn't well spent IMO. I'm not sure what you refer to as a big signing, but a RWF costing £30m that does bugger all in attack isn't "perfect". Having said that, he is still a great manager that is the difference.

Everyone makes mistakes in life, but the positives have to outweigh the negatives. That isn't the case ATM. Looks like I'll have to reiterate it yet again (getting tired of it), it's my opinion. No opinion is factual, so there's no need to reply.

U right dude. Everyone else is an idiot. The pundits who were singing praises of our transfers, every fan who is happy with our transfer. I mean how can the positive putweigh the negatives when only the majority of our signings have been great. I am sure pur transfer fiasco is the reason that we have improved so much over the course of less than 2 years.

I can't continue to argue with someone whose basis of the argument is sp completely and totally flawed. I mean u can argue abiut who is a better attack messi or CR. BUT u can't argue with someone who thinks ben arfa is better than messi. And believe me, saying jose's transfer dealings have been bad and that the positives supposedly get putweighed by the negatives is along that line of thought.

Ps - does that make costa's transfer fee as 40, cesc - 40, zouma -20, matic -30 etc etc..

[LAM09 7,100]

U right dude. Everyone else is an idiot. The pundits who were singing praises of our transfers, every fan who is happy with our transfer. I mean how can the positive putweigh the negatives when only the majority of our signings have been great. I am sure pur transfer fiasco is the reason that we have improved so much over the course of less than 2 years.

I can't continue to argue with someone whose basis of the argument is sp completely and totally flawed. I mean u can argue abiut who is a better attack messi or CR. BUT u can't argue with someone who thinks ben arfa is better than messi. And believe me, saying jose's transfer dealings have been bad and that the positives supposedly get putweighed by the negatives is along that line of thought.

Thank goodness. I can stop wasting my time with a brick wall that has yet to saying anything worthwhile.

Go along with pundits when they praise, but ridicule them when they are negative. Pick a bloody side!

[Fernando 6,743]

lets take into account the spine of jose teams at his tenures.

when I talk about jose at chelsea, the names that come to fore are DD, ESSIEN, ROBBEN, CECH, carvalho, , makelele, jt and frank. How many were jose bought?

Inter is a joke if yiu think anyone but jose was responsiblr. Motta, milito, etoo, lucio, sneijder. The spine of the 09-10 team was bought and made by jose.

Now lets compare it to pele's city - kompany, silva , aguero, yaya etc etc.. none of them.

To even compare these 2 scenarios is wrong and I don't know how you can't distinguish between these things.

Ps - I never mentioned RM in my post. But expect for RM, each of jose's team has been "his" teams to the core.

Are you saying all those was Chelsea buy from Mourinho?

I think you need to look clear at some names that was here and came before. Not to mention that Chelsea finish second that season and made it far in the CL....

That's totally different then what you mention Chelsea was in EL a couple of seasons back.

Inter was already winning tittles, similar to City of Mancini. Maicon, Zanetti...especially Zanetti the heart and soul of the team, Cambiasso and such.

Just like you said Pellegrini had it easy because he came to a good team instead of a team that was in EL struggling.

Except for Porto and second time Chelsea, every team that Mourinho has come has the foundations laid there.

To me this is the same point that you are mentioning about Pellegrini coming to a team already good and didn't have to do much....,

[didierforever 7,349]

Thank goodness. I can stop wasting my time with a brick wall that has yet to saying anything worthwhile.

Go along with pundits when they praise, but ridicule them when they are negative. Pick a bloody side!

Dude, yiu are the only one who supposedly thinks josr has done a poor job in transfers. The amount of people ridiculing u should be proof enough. Takr my advoce and stop the embarassment. I still can't stop laughing at the main point of your argument - negatives outweigh the positives. But please do to tell me how does that explain our immense improvement from barely qualifying for CL to 5 points with a game hand position.

There are pundits like neville who are fair. Hear and read what pundits like neville said. That would give u a good idea.

[The Chels 2,502]

So Mourinho says they had a team meeting. I hope the players weren't pussies and told him some home truths.

Really want to know what was said in that meeting. We need our own Marca/AS where pretty much all the goings-on get leaked