The Next Manager?

[Henrique 9,133]

3 hours ago, Vesper said:

we were playing like shit under Tuchel when he was sacked, and he has been fairly poor at Bayern

The answer wasn't hiring a shitty manager for big money, and pretending he was a world class one. 

[Vegetable 830]

4 hours ago, Vesper said:

we were playing like shit under Tuchel when he was sacked, and he has been fairly poor at Bayern

We were, but still, we were concerned about top4, not not getting relegated and maybe qualify for any Europe games next season… 

[Magic Lamps 11,653]

44 minutes ago, Henrique said:

The answer wasn't hiring a shitty manager for big money, and pretending he was a world class one. 

 

4 minutes ago, Vegetable said:

We were, but still, we were concerned about top4, not not getting relegated and maybe qualify for any Europe games next season… 

 

4 hours ago, Vesper said:

we were playing like shit under Tuchel when he was sacked, and he has been fairly poor at Bayern

All true. It is a bit of a riddle. While I do think we would have somehow crept to a 4th place finish under TT, his problems at Bayern resemble the ones we have had with him here too closely. Most striking is that he is completely at a loss why we or Bayern often either failed to turn up or completely lost focus after taking the lead. I just watched a lengthy interview in which he was very salty but everything he said sounded so familiar. He said the training week had been great, the atmosphere was focused, fitness levels were top but he had no idea why the urgency was lacking for most of the game. Maybe there is just some disconnect between him and his teams that only becomes obvious whenever they face resistance. Maybe it is not him but it is the players who have some mental blockade after the world cup. Would not be the first time. Top teams all over the world except City are struggling to consistently string wins together....

But back to us. Even though I do not think keeping him would have prevented the problems we had, I believe he should have at least deserved a shot with a rejuvenated squad. TT's problem was always burning out the players, which was evident last season. The fresh ones might have provided some new impetus. Under GP everyone sucked pretty much equitably. But GP was never gonna work anyway, even if the owners had not dumped all those players on him and undermined his authority at every opportunity. He never had the format this much was clear from the get go. The Pochettino appointment is at least a step forward.

[Henrique 9,133]

11 hours ago, Vegetable said:

I love how in 6 months the club has degraded to pre-Roman times. It pretty much comes down to "Sack Tuchel, then spend hundreds of millions and three years to get to halfway to the level we were under Tuchel". We had our laugh with GP and "vision" bullshit, but with all the money spent and players shifting I expect nothing less, than being fixed top 4 from the first game.

To be honest, since 2012 the club went on an erratic direction. I firmly believe that hiring Mourinho again in 2013 and Conte in 2016 was a costly decision. I mean, the club was slowly moving from physical squad + "marquee players" approach and started to invest in promising + skilled players. Back in the day it seemed the club was building a squad for Guardiola, then, when he decided that Bayern was a better destination, the club hired the anti-Guardiola. I mean, at some point mourinho had Juan Mata, KDB, Lukaku and Salah on his squad. One season later, all of them were gone. Then, we bought Costa and Fabregas, and even though we won the PL for the first time in 5 years, those decisions showed a club that was lacking any kind of long term strategy or a clear path.

When Mourinho was sacked, we were interest in different managers with different football philosophies. For example, the Sampaoli was interviewed and at some point he was considered the number 1 option, but due to his poor english, the club appointed Conte. I mean, again the club was lacking any kind of clear path. 

Conte won the PL in his first year, but after the whole Costa saga it was clear he tenure would be short, and it was also clear there was something wrong inside the club. Conte decided by himself to "fire" Costa from the team, without consulting the club hierarchy, and this happened because there was no synergy between the manager and the board. Instead of firing Conte asap, the club decided to give him a full season despited of a relationship that was broken beyond repair. Conte spent the whole season moaning and complaining in his conferences. Just like Mourinho, Conte barely used any player from academy and most of young and "promising" player that were bought during those years spent years on loan somewhere else and never had any chance of proving their value inside the club.

After Conte, there was Sarri. The only problem was: a manager like Sarri came in 5 years too late. When Sarri decided to move back to Italy, the club came up with the baffling decision to appoint Frank Lampard as the head coach. To be honest, I do believe that hiring Lampard in 2018 was even worse than hiring Graham Potter. Lampard is one of the worst managers in PL history. Then, we appointed Tuchel, another "short term results" kind of appointment. 

Boehly doesn't have a clue about football, so there is no doubt that most of his decisions are based on the advice of people inside the club. I would say that most of his decisions this season are decisions that you could easily see the club making under the previous ownership in recent years. This season is actually pretty similar to what happened in 2015/2016 season, and I would say that season was even worse because in the beginning of it everyone was picking us to easily win the PL again.

Yeah, Boehly took it to another new level, but lets not pretend the club was in a great shape before. After 2012, something went wrong along the way and City left us behind. Boehly mistakes are basically hiring a terrible manager + paying big money for average players, not really different from that the club have been doing in past 10 years. After Potter fiasco, its clear the club will name a head coach with previous experience in a big club, exactly the same pattern we saw in past 12 or 15 years: club hires a "promising" manager without previous experience in a big club - "promising" manager is a fiasco and is fired - club appoint an interim - club hires a manager with previous experience in a big club.

I would say the biggest difference right now is that before we used to get 2 or 3 expensive average players per season, while Boehly got something like 20 of them in a single season.

[Vesper 28,768]

15 hours ago, Henrique said:

The answer wasn't hiring a shitty manager for big money, and pretending he was a world class one. 

did I say it was?

[Laylabelle 9,351]

I just hope they are given time! We are crap and have brought players who aren't near up to the task to get us back where we should be..they need to see it won't happen overnight and needs time to fix this mess

[Pizy 18,368]

15 minutes ago, Laylabelle said:

I just hope they are given time! We are crap and have brought players who aren't near up to the task to get us back where we should be..they need to see it won't happen overnight and needs time to fix this mess

Getting these players super fit and into an actual system with patterns and structure should do wonders. Having Poch in place well before preseason and having the whole summer to work should help. Having players knowing precisely what they’re supposed to be doing when they take the pitch will mark a huge change to what we’ve seen this season.

Get that structure in place and then hopefully it’ll allow these clearly super talented players we have to regain their confidence and perform at their best levels. 

[Mário César 975]

we need a good pre season and a proper 3/4 signings and without much injuries we can fight again for top4

[Vegetable 830]

I miss Bruno already

[bigbluewillie 1,859]

I have no illusions about the coming season, it's still going to be a struggle, we can forget about a top 4 finish, I think we'll be incredibly lucky to get to 6th

We have injury problems Kante, James, Chilwell, W Fofana and others.

What on earth has happened to our 2 FB/WB they have both become so injury prone.

Can't make out the number 9 situation have we signed Nkunku or not? suppose someone will tell me he's not a 9 lol

Vlahovic want's a club in the ECL

Osimhen wants Manure or PSG

Who the fuck else is there? there's talk about bringing in Lautaro Martinez to team up with Lukaku ffs

 

[TheGoal 0]

It sounds like we are in a bit of a transitional period, especially with the injury problems and uncertainty in key positions. The situation at full-back is indeed worrying, as both James and Chilwell have had their share of injury issues.

As for the striker situation, while it seems like Nkunku, Vlahovic, and Osimhen are not viable options right now, Lautaro Martinez could be an interesting addition if he can form a good partnership with Lukaku. They had a successful stint together at Inter Milan, so they might be able to replicate that at Chelsea.

Regarding the new manager, it's crucial to find someone who can ดูบอลสดฟรี navigate these challenges and steer the club towards the top of the table. Even though a top 4 finish might look difficult right now, with the right leadership and some luck with injuries, things might turn around.

Let's keep our spirits high and hope for the best in the coming games

Edited May 23, 2023 by TheGoal

[NikkiCFC 7,942]

Havertz as AM in 4231 was scoring for fun in Germany. Just like Dele for Spurs. Both tall, scoring with header often... Wondering can Poch make it work? 

Edited May 22, 2023 by NikkiCFC

[MoroccanBlue 5,296]

2 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

Havertz as AM in 4231 was scoring for fan in Germany. Just like Dele for Spurs. Both tall, scoring with header often... Wondering can Poch make it work? 

 

2 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

 was scoring for fan in Germany. 

 

2 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

 in Germany. 

 

2 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

Germany.

 

[LAM09 6,744]

4 hours ago, bigbluewillie said:

I have no illusions about the coming season, it's still going to be a struggle, we can forget about a top 4 finish, I think we'll be incredibly lucky to get to 6th

We have injury problems Kante, James, Chilwell, W Fofana and others.

What on earth has happened to our 2 FB/WB they have both become so injury prone.

Can't make out the number 9 situation have we signed Nkunku or not? suppose someone will tell me he's not a 9 lol

Vlahovic want's a club in the ECL

Osimhen wants Manure or PSG

Who the fuck else is there? there's talk about bringing in Lautaro Martinez to team up with Lukaku ffs

 

When did Osimhen say that? He's a known Chelsea fan, and his idol is Drogba.

If we match Napoli's valuation, he'd join.

[Superblue 6,370]

4 hours ago, bigbluewillie said:

I have no illusions about the coming season, it's still going to be a struggle, we can forget about a top 4 finish, I think we'll be incredibly lucky to get to 6th

We have injury problems Kante, James, Chilwell, W Fofana and others.

What on earth has happened to our 2 FB/WB they have both become so injury prone.

Can't make out the number 9 situation have we signed Nkunku or not? suppose someone will tell me he's not a 9 lol

Vlahovic want's a club in the ECL

Osimhen wants Manure or PSG

Who the fuck else is there? there's talk about bringing in Lautaro Martinez to team up with Lukaku ffs

 

I will slightly park my optimism until I see what decisions are made over the summer and how promptly things happen with regards to incomings and outgoings but I think we'll be fine next season.

This season has been an absolute disaster with Potter and now Lampard, but it's also easy to forget we hardly looked much better at the start of the season under Tuchel. He was very vocal about the pre season and how it left us severely undercooked ready for the season and it showed. It's something we've never recovered from as we look the laziest, most pedestrian team in the league. I firmly believe that will be sorted over this summer under Poch who has always had his teams extremely fit, and play with high energy and aggressive pressing. Although the pre season is in America again, lessons do also seem to have been learnt from last year with more games being included during the tour and staying just on the one coast with much less travelling. 

I think the lack of European football will be a big help for us next season. It allows the manager to really work on the training pitch through the week and the squad can stay fresh. I think Champions League football will be a bit of a wake up call to Arsenal and Newcastle next season. Newcastle fans will love it, but I think the team could suffer with the league schedule, whilst Arsenal similarly cannot just put a shadow side out like they have been doing in Europa League football. It'll stretch both clubs that aren't necessarily used to that grind season after season.

Naturally a smaller, more manageable squad will make a big difference next season, as it's clearly been a hindrance this season as for large portions of the season we've looked like 11 players thrown together and with the amount of rotation across the season, that has largely been the case. 

The striker situation is definitely the biggest question mark over us for next season and it is something that Poch and the recruitment have to get right between themselves. I think however if Poch sets us up in a similar way to how Spurs were, with Nkunku in a role similar to that of Dele Alli, he could add a significant goal threat to the team before even an out and out striker is added.

[Laylabelle 9,351]

11 hours ago, bigbluewillie said:

I have no illusions about the coming season, it's still going to be a struggle, we can forget about a top 4 finish, I think we'll be incredibly lucky to get to 6th

We have injury problems Kante, James, Chilwell, W Fofana and others.

What on earth has happened to our 2 FB/WB they have both become so injury prone.

Can't make out the number 9 situation have we signed Nkunku or not? suppose someone will tell me he's not a 9 lol

Vlahovic want's a club in the ECL

Osimhen wants Manure or PSG

Who the fuck else is there? there's talk about bringing in Lautaro Martinez to team up with Lukaku ffs

 

Long as dont finish 12th be a success compared to thus!

[Henrique 9,133]

7 hours ago, MoroccanBlue said:

 

 

 

 

I think its pretty funny when people come up with this kind of thing, because year after year those people have been proven wrong. Haaland just came out of GERMANY and people like you were basically saying he would not even score more than 15 goals in PL, because you know...GERMANY.

Havertz also scored the winning goal in a UCL Final. Right now the biggest problem in this club is the lack of a proper manager. By removing Potter and going for Pochettino, the new board is finally making good decisions. Poch is one of best managers in the world. He took Spurs to another level and even made that "poverty franchise" (to use an American term) reach a UCL Final and even ended in 2nd in 2016-17 PL season.

[MoroccanBlue 5,296]

16 hours ago, Henrique said:

I think its pretty funny when people come up with this kind of thing, because year after year those people have been proven wrong. Haaland just came out of GERMANY and people like you were basically saying he would not even score more than 15 goals in PL, because you know...GERMANY.

Havertz also scored the winning goal in a UCL Final. Right now the biggest problem in this club is the lack of a proper manager. By removing Potter and going for Pochettino, the new board is finally making good decisions. Poch is one of best managers in the world. He took Spurs to another level and even made that "poverty franchise" (to use an American term) reach a UCL Final and even ended in 2nd in 2016-17 PL season.

Year after Year? Havertz has been here for 3 years and is the same player that arrived. I'd argue worse. Tuchel isn't a top manager then? 

This day in age people still want to give Havertz a chance. Fuck me