Todd Boehly Thread

[robsblubot 3,595]

I was one of the few here who wasn't crazy about the switch from Timo to Sterling, and also thought Sterling was the case of too much of a good thing--had a lot of cover for left wing.
Still, I don't think much of players acting out, being disillusioned, or just unhappy when things are in the shitter. I'm far more concerned with players who may think it's all business as usual and go collect they fat paychecks like nothing. 

[Vegetable 830]

3 minutes ago, Superblue said:

give them time

Geez, that gave borderline-ptsd flashbacks. Use of this phrase should be banned for at least few months after the Potter mess 😂

But on more serious note. I generally agree with your conclusion, but the problem seem to be the inability to stop the hands-on micromanagement of things by the owners. It could be understood in the beginning, but now we have some football department in place and they still seem to be unable to move away and intervene into everything or overturn ideas of people supposed to make the "vision" happen. Directors seem to be more of an advisors anyway.

I can understand you don't buy few billion toy not to play with it, but fun thing is this stepping into decisions had already proven catastrophic a few times, yet there's no end to it on the horizon and it may prove a huge issue very soon.

[Superblue 6,372]

1 minute ago, Vegetable said:

Geez, that gave borderline-ptsd flashbacks. Use of this phrase should be banned for at least few months after the Potter mess 😂

But on more serious note. I generally agree with your conclusion, but the problem seem to be the inability to stop the hands-on micromanagement of things by the owners. It could be understood in the beginning, but now we have some football department in place and they still seem to be unable to move away and intervene into everything or overturn ideas of people supposed to make the "vision" happen. Directors seem to be more of an advisors anyway.

I can understand you don't buy few billion toy not to play with it, but fun thing is this stepping into decisions had already proven catastrophic a few times, yet there's no end to it on the horizon and it may prove a huge issue very soon.

It's easier said than done with the mess that everything is at present but the next manager and this summer are the best chance to see if the club as a whole can learn from the mistakes made this last season. The owners aren't just going to give up and walk away any time soon.

Going to the dressing room after the game, visiting the training ground, etc I'm not overly bothered about to be honest. People forget that Roman was a lot more hands on in his early days and I believe did a lot of similar things, it just wasn't a big deal because we were successful. Everything is put under the microscope when things aren't going right.

A new manager is much more important than a supposed pep talk after a defeat and from what is being reported this has been tasked to be carried out by the football directors, as it should be. Of course the final decision is down to the owners but unlike the Potter appointment, this one should be made off the back of sound and solid advice, research, etc. The same should be the case in the summer when Stewart/Winstanley/Vivell work with the new manager to reshape this squad into one that can be managed properly.

[Fulham Broadway 17,299]

His main mistake was strolling in on day one, and clearing out the backroom staff that made Chelsea what they were. A lot of knowledge and "know-how" flushed down the toilet. 

[Vegetable 830]

9 minutes ago, Superblue said:

Going to the dressing room after the game, visiting the training ground, etc I'm not overly bothered about to be honest. People forget that Roman was a lot more hands on in his early days and I believe did a lot of similar things, it just wasn't a big deal because we were successful. Everything is put under the microscope when things aren't going right.

Yeah, we were actually happy to see Roman around. What I'm worried about is pulling the string both sides at the same time.

"The board" aka TB & EB were very reluctant to let Potter go, despite the footballing people pushing for it. It could be matter of his last 3 games window, but the situation could actually be dragging for weeks. The football people finally managed to force their solution, but were they actually pushing for Lampard? I somewhat doubt it and I'm not even thinking about the rumor of some tv-celebrity recommending his appointment. 

Many people agree that Mudryk was highly random signing. Was it the directors plan or just TB looking for making an impact to prove a point? Who knows.

Having a boatload of similar-level players for an AMF-ish position with even more incoming also doesn't seem like a sign of deep thought.

What I mean is putting people and resources in place to create a certain structure and also making individual, half-random decisions that cancel out their effort and are totally disconnected from their concept doesn't seem super effective. Looks like a lack of communication or lack of trust a little bit. Of course owner should have a say, but it's hard to achieve the desired effect without a common strategy and synergy.

[robsblubot 3,595]

27 minutes ago, Superblue said:

It's easier said than done with the mess that everything is at present but the next manager and this summer are the best chance to see if the club as a whole can learn from the mistakes made this last season. The owners aren't just going to give up and walk away any time soon.

Going to the dressing room after the game, visiting the training ground, etc I'm not overly bothered about to be honest. People forget that Roman was a lot more hands on in his early days and I believe did a lot of similar things, it just wasn't a big deal because we were successful. Everything is put under the microscope when things aren't going right.

A new manager is much more important than a supposed pep talk after a defeat and from what is being reported this has been tasked to be carried out by the football directors, as it should be. Of course the final decision is down to the owners but unlike the Potter appointment, this one should be made off the back of sound and solid advice, research, etc. The same should be the case in the summer when Stewart/Winstanley/Vivell work with the new manager to reshape this squad into one that can be managed properly.

I never seen presidents, owners, routinely visiting the locker room. It is really odd and can undermine the power, as well as the message managers may have.

But yeah, it's their play toy and they will do whatever they want with it--running it into the ground included as an option.

The type of manager they pick will tell much about whether the micromanaging will continue, or whether the manager will have enough independence to implement his own methodology.

[OneMoSalah 8,883]

2 hours ago, Cosmin said:

Raheem Sterling fits all the boxes. Mudryk cannot even be considered a “senior player”, I suppose.

Lucky to even be considered a football player based on what he’s shown so far tbf.

[Blue Armour 4,436]

7 hours ago, Superblue said:

The biggest issue with the ownership is that they've tried doing too much, too soon.

A lot of the decisions they have or are in the process of making have been pretty positive, but it's been made on the backdrop of complete instability. A lot of people have been crying out for a structure for years which doesn't revolve entirely around the manager and his own players, and instead a revamped look at the scouting, recruitment, football directorship at the club. I actually think the recruitment made in January will be looked back overtime as largely very positive, and that is the first fingerprints of this structure. It doesn't help though that this is intertwined with the summer recruitment which besides Fofana, is trending towards being the worst transfer window in football history given the money spent.

The ownership shouldn't pander to the fans. It's clear they felt they needed to make a statement when they first joined with the summer signings, but they should have held their ground until the right structure was in place. Same with the managerial change from Tuchel to Potter. Too many things have been done with the right intentions but at the wrong time. 

I'm willing to give them time, and they might as well learn from mistakes at the same time the squad is in a transition but this summer, the focus needs to be on stabilising the club and that comes from allowing the directors to do what they are paid to do, and that is make the correct footballing decisions for this club to move forwards. 

The key thing is whether they learn from this experience.

I feel that they overall underestimated the impact that a manager has on a football team, and how the wrong appointment can throw a team into chaos.

Hopefully they get their next appointment 100% right and don't go down another experimental route. 

[Blue Armour 4,436]

6 hours ago, Vegetable said:

Yeah, we were actually happy to see Roman around. What I'm worried about is pulling the string both sides at the same time.

"The board" aka TB & EB were very reluctant to let Potter go, despite the footballing people pushing for it. It could be matter of his last 3 games window, but the situation could actually be dragging for weeks. The football people finally managed to force their solution, but were they actually pushing for Lampard? I somewhat doubt it and I'm not even thinking about the rumor of some tv-celebrity recommending his appointment. 

Many people agree that Mudryk was highly random signing. Was it the directors plan or just TB looking for making an impact to prove a point? Who knows.

Having a boatload of similar-level players for an AMF-ish position with even more incoming also doesn't seem like a sign of deep thought.

What I mean is putting people and resources in place to create a certain structure and also making individual, half-random decisions that cancel out their effort and are totally disconnected from their concept doesn't seem super effective. Looks like a lack of communication or lack of trust a little bit. Of course owner should have a say, but it's hard to achieve the desired effect without a common strategy and synergy.

They probably settled on Lampard because he was the only one willing to be an interim manager.

Enrique would have only taken a full time role, and since they have leanings to Naggelsman, they decided not to make a decision on a permanent coach. 

I really hope Naggelsman works (as the signs are all pointing at him). But I'm not sure if he's the right personality for this type of club. Not enjoying the comparisons with Potter.

 

[lucio 5,418]

6 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

Lucky to even be considered a football player based on what he’s shown so far tbf.

he would have been better if he joined arsenal. Chelsea ruin everyone. loads of players have a promising debut before Chelsea drags them down. morata , mudryk, cucarella, werner, even lukaku

[Reddish-Blue 2,489]

2 hours ago, lucio said:

he would have been better if he joined arsenal. Chelsea ruin everyone. loads of players have a promising debut before Chelsea drags them down. morata , mudryk, cucarella, werner, even lukaku

Morata said himself that he didn't enjoy playing in the Premier League, Werner wasn't dragged down, he was just labelled a flop due to all the offsides/misses against his name (mentioned that his relationship with Tuchel broke down and he wanted to leave) and Lukaku wasn't dragged down, he's had a pretty successful career with his other clubs. 

[lucio 5,418]

28 minutes ago, Reddish-Blue said:

Morata said himself that he didn't enjoy playing in the Premier League, Werner wasn't dragged down, he was just labelled a flop due to all the offsides/misses against his name (mentioned that his relationship with Tuchel broke down and he wanted to leave) and Lukaku wasn't dragged down, he's had a pretty successful career with his other clubs. 

All were better before joining and left as worse players