The Tuchel Thread

[Strike 7,494]

1 hour ago, blahblahblah said:

I disagree mate.  Go back exactly an year and just look at the hype we had. Most of us were expecting to either win the PL or be there-thereabouts. If i told you this time last year, that within a year this Chelsea squad won't even be odds on to make the top4 next year, you would have called me an absolute hater. 

The squad we had last year was good enough to win and atleast challenge for PL. The only squad i would say was poor was under lamps and maybe sarri (aging). 

We have spent 450m in the last 3 summer and that is rumored to go upto 550 or 600m. The talent that we have acquired was the absolute envy of our competitors. We have severely severely under acheived. TT has failed to get the best out of or even integrate any of the new big name signings. Any other manager would have been called out for failing to improve Kai, Werner, Lukaku, ziyech but TT for some reason keeps getting a pass. And these are some big names. Werner was wanted by Liverpool, Kai was wanted by the world, ziyech was considered a magician, Lukaku for all his deficiency is one of the best goal scorers of this era. You can't say that we did not have quality or the squad was not good enough. 

I look at our very rapid decline to mediocrity within a year as failure from manager and management. Not the quality of squad

This level of entitlement is problematic. Chelsea were and still are very far off in the league. Chelsea has finished around 15-30 points behind City/Liverpool for the last five seasons with the exception of Liverpool's injury crisis year.

Of course Tuchel is not above scrutiny but this idea that he should be sacked 3 games into his 2nd full season because he has not caught up with a generational Liverpool/City side (accumulating 90+ points) is absurd. Liverpool and City are not envious of the talent at Chelsea apart from James and a fit Kante. They have comfortably better players because they have spent years shaping that squad, signing players who fit the manager's mould.

Liverpool and their process with Klopp is a great example - they finished 8th, 4th and 4th under him but the fans were not calling for his head through this. They picked the market really well and built the team over 2-3 years which became wildly successful.

 

 

[blahblahblah 73]

38 minutes ago, Strike said:

This level of entitlement is problematic. Chelsea were and still are very far off in the league. Chelsea has finished around 15-30 points behind City/Liverpool for the last five seasons with the exception of Liverpool's injury crisis year.

Of course Tuchel is not above scrutiny but this idea that he should be sacked 3 games into his 2nd full season because he has not caught up with a generational Liverpool/City side (accumulating 90+ points) is absurd. Liverpool and City are not envious of the talent at Chelsea apart from James and a fit Kante. They have comfortably better players because they have spent years shaping that squad, signing players who fit the manager's mould.

Liverpool and their process with Klopp is a great example - they finished 8th, 4th and 4th under him but the fans were not calling for his head through this. They picked the market really well and built the team over 2-3 years which became wildly successful.

 

 

It's not entitlement. It's simply not accepting mediocrity. 

At the end of the day, do i feel a Conte, Jose, klopp, pep can get better out of the current squad while solving the issues of the squad with 300m , hell yes. 

That's not entitlement that's basic analysis. 

TT right now seems to be above scrutiny if expecting a title challenge with close to 500m being spent in last 3 seasons seems to be labelled as "entitlement".

Stop the comparision with klopp, it's embarassing. Klopp did not have anywhere near the resources that TT does. Also, klopp's Liverpool's football and the progression was always there to see. Unlike TT. 

 

[Hot Dawg 17]

20 hours ago, blahblahblah said:

Thought long and hard last night. And could not find a reason why TT should be given time to continue. He has failed to integrate some very very talented youth in tomori, guehi, livramento, tammy. Some of them already had a step in, and we sold them. Infact, we have gone from Tammy to a 33 year old Auba. Yes, the long and short of the whole striker fiasco is that we have given up a very solid no. 9 and got a has been. He clearly has no attacking nuance. His play is shit and boring. His man-management is piss poor as we can see with how lukaku, werner have left. CHO, puli, ziyech want to leave. Whats even more shocking is the amount of rejections we have got. He has no pull as a manager. The number of players who almost shunned the club was embarassing.

All of this aside, I actually wanted to see if he was doing a decent job atleast in terms of winning. I have collated the numbers for PL games for all managers under RA, and its actually baffling

TT: P60, W33, D17, L10, PPM 1.93, W 55%

FL: P58, W28, D11, L18, PPM 1.67, W% 48.3%

Sarri: P38, W21, D9, L8, PPM 1.89, W% 55.2%

Conte: P76, W51, D10, L15, PPM 2.14, W% 67.1%

Benitez: P26, W15, D6, L5, PPM 1.96, W% 57.7%

JM: P211, W140, D44, L27, PPM 2.2, W% 66.3%

AVB: P27, W13, D7, L7, PPM 1.7, W% 48.14%

RDM: P23, W12, D6, L5, PPM 1.83, W% 52.17%

Ancelotti: P76, W48, D13, L15, PPM 2.07, W% 63.1%

Hiddink: P34, W18, D12, L4, PPM 1.94, W% 52.9%

Avram Grant: P33, W22, D8, L3, PPM 2.24, W% 66.6%

Luiz Felipe Scolari: P25, W14, D7, L4, PPM 1.96, W% 56%

Ranieri: P38, W24, D7, L7, PPM 2.08, W% 63.15%

So out of 13 distinct managers under RA, TT is ranked 9th by W% and Point per Match (PPM). And people expect me to get behind him? For what?

RDM won us a CL too, and has a comparitive W% and PPM, but we did not keep shitting our bed with him here. Need to get rid asap. The credit for the CL win has run its course, high time we look at the reality of the situation.

Hello @didierforever thought you were banned bruv you should try and downplay the pomposity if you are trying to sneak back in dude. You can't hide in plain sight bruv it's obvs it you ha ha.

[YorkshireBlue 3,279]

22 hours ago, blahblahblah said:

Thought long and hard last night. And could not find a reason why TT should be given time to continue. He has failed to integrate some very very talented youth in tomori, guehi, livramento, tammy. Some of them already had a step in, and we sold them. Infact, we have gone from Tammy to a 33 year old Auba. Yes, the long and short of the whole striker fiasco is that we have given up a very solid no. 9 and got a has been. He clearly has no attacking nuance. His play is shit and boring. His man-management is piss poor as we can see with how lukaku, werner have left. CHO, puli, ziyech want to leave. Whats even more shocking is the amount of rejections we have got. He has no pull as a manager. The number of players who almost shunned the club was embarassing.

All of this aside, I actually wanted to see if he was doing a decent job atleast in terms of winning. I have collated the numbers for PL games for all managers under RA, and its actually baffling

TT: P60, W33, D17, L10, PPM 1.93, W 55%

FL: P58, W28, D11, L18, PPM 1.67, W% 48.3%

Sarri: P38, W21, D9, L8, PPM 1.89, W% 55.2%

Conte: P76, W51, D10, L15, PPM 2.14, W% 67.1%

Benitez: P26, W15, D6, L5, PPM 1.96, W% 57.7%

JM: P211, W140, D44, L27, PPM 2.2, W% 66.3%

AVB: P27, W13, D7, L7, PPM 1.7, W% 48.14%

RDM: P23, W12, D6, L5, PPM 1.83, W% 52.17%

Ancelotti: P76, W48, D13, L15, PPM 2.07, W% 63.1%

Hiddink: P34, W18, D12, L4, PPM 1.94, W% 52.9%

Avram Grant: P33, W22, D8, L3, PPM 2.24, W% 66.6%

Luiz Felipe Scolari: P25, W14, D7, L4, PPM 1.96, W% 56%

Ranieri: P38, W24, D7, L7, PPM 2.08, W% 63.15%

So out of 13 distinct managers under RA, TT is ranked 9th by W% and Point per Match (PPM). And people expect me to get behind him? For what?

RDM won us a CL too, and has a comparitive W% and PPM, but we did not keep shitting our bed with him here. Need to get rid asap. The credit for the CL win has run its course, high time we look at the reality of the situation.

That post is absolutely meaningless. The Premier league has changed so much since some of these managers, so even to compare them its down right stupid. How about you shut up waffling on trying to "outsmart" every 1 by your long dull kid like spitting the dummy out posts and ACTUALLY suggest some players worth signing.

[Jype 6,398]

17 minutes ago, Kong said:

How about you shut up waffling on trying to "outsmart" every 1 by your long dull kid like spitting the dummy out posts and ACTUALLY suggest some players worth signing.

And also intrigued to hear who he suggests should replace Tuchel since he's so adamant TT should be sacked on the spot. He mentioned Pep, Klopp, Conte and Mourinho. The first two are never in a million years realistic while Conte and Mourinho already had their chances at Chelsea.

Would love to hear some ideas who this whiny bitch thinks will take us to the level of City under Pep or Liverpool under Klopp while using this same group of players.

Edited August 23, 2022 by Jype

[Superblue 6,372]

Just now, Jype said:

And also intrigued to hear who he suggests should replace Tuchel since he's so adamant TT should be sacked on the spot. He mentioned Pep, Klopp, Conte and Mourinho. The first two are never in a million years realistic while Conte and Mourinho already had their chances at Chelsea.

Would love to hear some ideas who this whiny bitch thinks will take us to the level of City under Pep or Liverpool under Klopp while using this same group of players.

He already made suggestions the other day - Eddie Howe and Poch.

One got relegated in his last job despite huge amounts of money being spent and the other managed a Spurs side we heard endlessly at the time from the English media was an incredible team and his biggest achievement was putting some pressure on.

They sound like two absolute guarantees of success!

[manpe 10,861]

Feel some of the insults thrown at blahblah are uncalled for. Why is it necessary to call him a whiny bitch if he/she doesn't conform to the norm? I for one think he makes some good points. I'm all for giving TT this full season, but if there isn't any improvement after the money spent, and especially if we fail to make top 4, questions need to be asked. Too early for that at the moment though.

Edited August 23, 2022 by manpe

[blahblahblah 73]

32 minutes ago, Jype said:

And also intrigued to hear who he suggests should replace Tuchel since he's so adamant TT should be sacked on the spot. He mentioned Pep, Klopp, Conte and Mourinho. The first two are never in a million years realistic while Conte and Mourinho already had their chances at Chelsea.

Would love to hear some ideas who this whiny bitch thinks will take us to the level of City under Pep or Liverpool under Klopp while using this same group of players.

Seriously whiny bitch? Did not know name calling is fine on here.

I guess anything goes when trying to protect TT 

[Jype 6,398]

2 hours ago, blahblahblah said:

I guess anything goes when trying to protect TT 

Nah I have no interest in 'protecting' Tuchel, I'll criticize him when he deserves it and give him credit when due. Just have zero interest nor time to read posts that just moan and whine about everything without having anything constructive to say.

[blahblahblah 73]

3 minutes ago, Jype said:

Nah I have no interest in 'protecting' Tuchel, I'll criticize him when he deserves it and give him credit when due. Just have zero interest nor time to read posts that just moan and whine about everything without having anything constructive to say.

True. Cause name calling is really constructive, right? 

I have my opinions, you can have yours. There is no need to start name calling and acting like a 12 year old. Learn to respect another's opinion. 

I have not been disrespectful to anyone on here. I do have strong opinions and it's based out of my love for the club. You can be on the polar opposite end of it and that's fine. But again, there is no need for such a thing.

[Clockwork 1,794]

I remember many people here didn’t want anything to do with Tuchel when we were looking to replace Lampard. The popular choice was max Allegri. I argued for Tuchel over him, i still stand by that. Now people are claiming Tuchel is a top 3 manager, the same people who wanted nothing to do with him.

I look at body of work. I am not ready to sack Tuchel, even before the recent results i was at the point of having serious doubts building this team. 

[ZAPHOD2319 4,819]

The name calling ends or those people doing it will not be welcomed to continue here. Also of note is that if members are adding nothing positive to Talk Chelsea, they will not be welcomed to continue either. FFS I have spent the entire day working with 10 years olds and they are conducting themselves better than people in this thread. We are all grown and should be able to converse with each other as adults. I can only hope much of this has to do with the shaky start to the season. 

[YorkshireBlue 3,279]

4 hours ago, blahblahblah said:

True. Cause name calling is really constructive, right? 

I have my opinions, you can have yours. There is no need to start name calling and acting like a 12 year old. Learn to respect another's opinion. 

I have not been disrespectful to anyone on here. I do have strong opinions and it's based out of my love for the club. You can be on the polar opposite end of it and that's fine. But again, there is no need for such a thing.

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Edited August 23, 2022 by Kong

[lucio 5,418]

Get out 

[Laylabelle 9,536]

I dont want us to sack another manager and keep going round and round and round but this is dire. It needs to change it can't go on like this! 5 games in and 2 losses...we don't look like we shouldve won the games we did either! If Roman was here he'd be gone. We've lost our spark.

[Gundalf 806]

Before we sack Tuchel we should sack half of our squad.

[Milan 17,959]

This is not Abramovich. Tuchel will not be sacked whether you like it or not.

[Laylabelle 9,536]

1 minute ago, Milan said:

This is not Abramovich. Tuchel will not be sacked whether you like it or not.

See how much patience he has...

[blahblahblah 73]

Are we still going to pretend that TT is not to be questioned/blamed? 

Sorry, but i just hope our board is making a list of suitors to replace him by the start of 2023. 

[Blues11 213]

Look at our schedule so far and how many points we have dropped. 

I don't want to hear about injuries and transfers.....

If you're such a great manager these are games you at least get a point... You should be getting three but have straight up lost twice already. 

They're playing with no passion or heart. That's the sign of a dressing room who don't believe in what's going on....

Alarming to say the least. 

Edited August 30, 2022 by Blues11