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[Jase 43,479]

1 hour ago, Mana said:

Honestly? I don’t see why not. I said from day ONE that I do not believe in this coach. I looked at Ole and that is not what I wanted in our football club.

Lampard had to prove to ME why he’s the best coach for this club. Then I’ll believe in him and eat humble pie from you folks. He hasn’t.

When I said all these things at the beginning of Lamps’ tenure, the amount of abuse I got was astonishing. From you especially.

People last season were comparing Lamps to Klopp and Pep (just like they did with Sarri) while saying Lamps isn’t our Ole. FFS.

I’m sorry, but after the amount of abuse I had to go through last season and early parts of this season, I have in my right to go “I told you so” once Lamps gets sacked. I know a good coach when I see one. Lampard isn’t a good coach (right now anyway) hence why I do not believe in him.

No wonder you always complain. You never even gave him a chance to succeed to begin with. The minute something goes wrong, you will always use it to justify yourself while when things are going well, you do not say much because they do not correspond with your initial feeling. Hope god gives us a manager one day that will win every game, win every trophy to please you to the heaven.

You are also missing the point about the comparison with Klopp and Guardiola. They were used as examples because they were given time to build their squad. They were not used as direct comparison on managerial level to Lampard. 

Not going to sit here and say Lampard will be a great manager because I have also been critical of him and he still has a lot to prove to be one but is it not obvious at the very least that a new, successful team takes time to build - regardless of who is the manager? Ever since Mourinho stepped through the doors in 2004, we always have had a ready made team to win things, with the exception of the 2012 team but even that one took 2 seasons before we won the league etc and this team as well. Just like every other Chelsea fan, am also used to that instant winning feeling but is too much to just have that bit of tiny patience for once? I have no idea whether things will turn out to be good or bad under Lampard because this club in general have been unpredictable for years now but is it hard to just maybe be patient a little?

Moreover and while this is no excuse to keep a manager for the sake of it, how often are we going to keep on sacking managers? Every time we have a new manager, people would be like 'yay' but the minute something goes wrong under him, people would be trying to chase him out, people would always complain about something after a while (I may have been guilty of this in the past). This has happened under almost every manager at some point. Do we really want to see it continue? We have chopped and changed the manager every 1-2 years in the last decade. At some point, no top manager would want take this job if they see past managers aren't given time to succeed and will be thrown out of the window the minute something goes wrong. They would rather go to Liverpool, Man City etc knowing they will be given time to succeed there. 

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23 minutes ago, Vesper said:

I say name these people who said that

I really do not recall that

They were used as examples because they were given time to build their squad. They were not used as direct comparison on managerial level to Lampard. 

[Tomo 21,751]

1 hour ago, Mana said:

I’m not that petty to name the guys that did. But yes, there were people who compared him (and Sarri) to Klopp and Pep.

And I and others have addressed you on this numerous times, it wasn't about comparing them, it was about pointing out that a lot of the problems last season (and the first few games of this) were more personal than structural (for example I recall you on many occasions stated the defense would never improve under Lampard regardless of who we had in it, wrong!) and their early spells at City/Liverpool had similar issues (no one was saying Lampard would bring a 100 point title win or even a standard one, more was the point that if he couldn't he could at the very least leave a solid team/structure for one that could). But to play your game let's ignore those two examples and give one's of managers with no real track record who got time and the club's were rewarded. Klopp himself at Dortmund, Brendan Rodgers at Liverpool, Pochettino at Spurs and Sarri at Napoli, all had so so starts to life at those clubs and all (scaled for club resources) ended up having great peaks.

Also if the "proven track record" thing really is you're true feelings towards it all, then why weren't you demanding Jose's return or Wenger's appointment after Sarri left (as they was by far the two most decorated active manager's available), infact, why did you want Jose sacked in 2015?

[Tomo 21,751]

2 hours ago, Mana said:

What, do you want me to still complain/moan about Lampard after a positive victory?

Well yes, if that's how you truly feel.

You may get a bit of "grief" for it but if you stick to your guns when on winning/unbeaten runs that will only strengthen your position, think of it similar to how i didn't budge on James when he had a bit of a sticky spell and the "we sold the wrong fullback" narrative gained traction.

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11 minutes ago, Mana said:

They were also comparing Lampard’s style of play. Not just they all had time.

A manager would still need time to implement a style of play. Now, whether Lampard's style of play is effective or not effective so far is a different debate altogether.

12 minutes ago, Mana said:

I didn’t turn against Sarri until the turn of the year when he was being stubborn. I hate stubborn coaches especially when things are turning south. 

Yes but you still turned anyway.

12 minutes ago, Mana said:

As said above, Lampard is a different case because he somehow reminds me of Ole. Hazard left us, a transfer ban has been applied to us and....we are giving the job to guy with no experience?

The only successful manager available in the summer of 2019 was Allegri but I think he wanted to take a sabbatical and the club were probably done with Italian managers after Conte and Sarri back-to-back. There were no other big name managers out there. I remember we were linked with some underwhelming managers back then and one of them was Javi Gracia, who of course got spanked 7-0 with Watford against Man City in the FA Cup final and then got sacked a few games into the new season last year.

17 minutes ago, Mana said:

Ok he’s not Arteta-bad, but he’s not better than Ole. And Ole’s a terrible coach. I can be patient if I see something. If we lose 4-2 but we have been peppering the opposition, or we lose because of a VAR decision or we lose simply because of Kepa (and nothing else)...if I see a constant good style of play. But what we saw these past two games are the like the majority of Lamps’ tenure.

So because of what happened in the last 2 games, we should just ignore the good things that happened in other games, in games that we won etc?

18 minutes ago, Mana said:

Real Madrid do it. Barcelona do it. Why is it Chelsea we should be ashamed of doing it? If the manager is doing shite, why keep him? He’s getting paid well by the club, he should be doing a job to get the BEST of these players. This is what Conte did in his first season.

Yeah and look at some of the underwhelming managers they have appointed recently, especially Barcelona. Madrid went back to Zidane and their results and performances have been inconsistent while also having an ageing squad of sorts. Barcelona, on the other hand, are a mess off and on the pitch. There's a political battle at board level, they have an average and ageing squad of players, their best player wants out and they have a manager, who despite his years of experience, hasn't achieved much at club level outside of the Netherlands. Which of the recent manager at Real Madrid and Barcelona - apart from maybe Zidane - made you go like "wow, they have a top class manager in charge"? You can keep on chopping and changing managers but at some point, you're gonna have to scrap the barrels for whatever average manager that is out there. 

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1 minute ago, Mana said:

A bit? Ha!

There are more Lampard fans than RJ fans, the majority of TC would not be on you for defending RJ. I get dogpiled every time I say something, and I don’t have the time to be dogpiled twice as bad when we are winning. That’s why I tend to shush up. I still post there and there, but not as much. And Lampard slowly started to make me believe in him in that run especially after beating Newcastle. 

The reason why I went so mad after Wolves is that I fell in to that false dawn trap.

When I said crucified, I really do mean it. 5 people quote me and I spend hours of my time responding to these. Imagine if I continue to say what I’m saying when we’re winning. 15 people I’ll have to respond and even more insults will be thrown around.

Now, I’m not saying no one should challenge me for my views. But I personally think it’s better for me to say this stuff when the coach is under fire so I don’t have to deal with so many people who believe in the coach.

You could have done both side of the views. Praise when it's deserved and criticize when it's deserved. The reason why you get "dogpiled" is because you tend to do the latter way more than the former and you already have a pre-conceived notion about Lampard. So every bad result, every bad performance just become a case of self-fulfilling prophecy. 

[bigbluewillie 1,930]

This has turned onto the Mana thread

So to offer input Mourinho has just lost again, that's 2 in a row a 2-1 and a 2-0 [sound familiar] playing the most deplorable football in the EPL.

So what should happen? the Spuds equivalent to Mana have Mou out losing 2 in a row as unacceptable, or does that only apply to Lamps.

[Laylabelle 9,535]

Pressure is on! Lose this and be suddenly 4 behind Man U if their game stays the same..win and go above Spurs..hurrah

[ZaynChelsea 423]

We have to win tomorrow. After spending so much money we are struggling to leave a mediocre ManU team behind us. Inacceptable.

[bigbluewillie 1,930]

Manure just gone 4-0 up after 36 mins

[killer1257 3,282]

We have to win tomorrow. After spending so much money we are struggling to leave a mediocre ManU team behind us. Inacceptable.

Man United is almost top of the league. They still have one match to play

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[Special Juan 28,141]

Nothing but 3 points tomorrow, already after tow defeats the table looks bleak.

[MoroccanBlue 5,382]

Again, a win here can put us in a good spot before City. 

Arsenal play City midweek before the Emirates

We play Villa then at home with everyone fit (knock on wood) 

[Muzchap 8,966]

21 hours ago, Jason said:

Death.

Taxes.

Some random injury popping up after a free week under Lampard. 

🤣🤣🤣

[NikkiCFC 8,323]

We must win 9 points before City. That should make us more positive. 

[fmsch24 312]

In the next 24 hours FL has to give the best motivational speech to the players, because his job is on The line. Put aside his legendary status at the club and the adulation of the fans, the club has invested massively to at least challenge for the top 4 this season and win a cup trophy, anything less is sackable. To say tomorrow is a must win game is an understatement, anything less than a win is unacceptable, and I don’t want to hear excuses about not having the full team, Liverpool are getting results without nearly quarter of there team for a while, why can’t we. 

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[Blue Armour 4,439]

9 hours ago, Mana said:

Apart from last season when Ole turned it around and saved his job, a team that is mid table or worse by Christmas doesn’t finish in the top 4. 

This season started late. Not sure your comment applies 

[DanP2311 65]

I am surprised so many people think FL’s job is on the line over the next couple of matches. I would find that surprising if true.

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9 minutes ago, DanP2311 said:

I am surprised so many people think FL’s job is on the line over the next couple of matches. I would find that surprising if true.

If we don't get back to winning ways fast and win the next few matches, then I think his job will be on the line. Lampard may say he needs time, which is true, but at the same time, we can't be spending all the money in the summer and then be languishing in mid-table, be behind even the likes of Everton, Leicester, Southampton, Aston Villa!