The Mourinho Thread

[manpe 10,861]

Torres started the bulk of the games in 12/13 yet we still stayed relatively competitive.

Yes, but when you have a shit striker then you still can capture points either by drawing or having other capable players score. If you have obvious weak links in defence, you WILL concede goals and this team is not prepared to play the outscoring game. I'd rather have a Torres in attack than an Ivanovic in defence any time at the moment. We have got to start getting the basics right from the back to the front.

[didierforever 7,349]

Dropping Ivanovic as much as it should happen will still do nothing to change the overall results.

The current form runs a lot deeper than one player being picked,Torres started the bulk of the games in 12/13 yet we still stayed relatively competitive.

i dont think so tomo.

i honestly think dropping iva WILL solve a LOT of problems. how can a RB not stop crosses from coming in? 12 goals in 5 games and atleast 10 of them were directly involved by iva. how can a RB just stand 6 yards off a player and let him shoot the way iva let naismith did yesterday. goals change matches and while our attack may seem lack lustre, we always seem to be chasing a game which is never easy. and most of this chasing is down to iva.

torres did start the bulk of games and we were still competent. but the point is that a striker can miss 5 sitters and score one goal and still be the match winner. a moment's lapse from a defender changes the whole game. i dont think thats comparable. the problem currently is iva or rather jose. if he cant atleast drop iva from the team. then like i have been saying since the WBA game, he needs to leave.

[bluezola25 10]

JM is starting to believe is own hype as the new God father of the Premier league replacing SAF. The problem is SAF was ruthless, innovative, clever and never ever thought his league winning team's couldn't be improved upon.

JM decided early on that we didn't need recruitments or that we didn't needed to improve our overall play. Barca and Bayern win leagues but still improve their squads and improve or change playing styles. So why don't we? Arrogance

JM is suppose to be innovative but he's stood still so we haven't changed our formation or player profile. Every team we now play knows our players and style. We use to be a team that could mix it up playing either a long ball, short passing, physical or tactical game. Now we are so one dimensional that it's predictable and poor.

JM needs to play players in their correct positions at the back that's a foregone conclusion. He needs to have physical imposing mobile midfielders with the remit to close down and destroy the opposition creative players and get the ball to our wide players who should be hugging the touchline and not constantly cutting inside. All our play is through the middle at such a laboured pace. We need to utilise Hazards, Kenedy, Pedro or Willian's pace purely as wingers who cross the ball. Get up and down the line. Play a 4-4-2 with Costa/Falcao along side Remy who by nature is a poacher. Someone Remy/Oscar can play off in and around the box. Team Gk Begovic Def. Baba Terry Cahill Azpli WL. Hazard/Kenedy CM. Matic Ramires/Lotus WR. Pedro/Willian FWD. Costa/Falcao Remy/Oscar.

This team will get us back to basics and give us a solid foundation to work from. Allow us to play back to front quickly either direct or wide. Stop us from being exposed down the flanks.

[Blue Colored Sky 1,807]

Klopp or even Simeone have system. That system need patience and no pressure from board and fans. Klopp isn't manager that can bring instant success, and showing how patience are our fans he isn't really for Chelsea.

If we get Klopp and have bad run under him? And again there will be "Klopp out", bring Simeone or Guardiola, and shit like this. Just check what Immobile said about Klopp and his trainings, only him said that, but still, he was there...

Real life isn't Football Manager, so for a change stop saying "bye bye Mourinho" and stick with our manager, player, club, and believe that this nightmare will be gone very soon, next game against Maccabi is our first chance to gain some confidence. I hope our board isn't that stupid to fire Mourinho without resolving current problems with squad, because this will happen with every manager in the world who replace Mourinho. For me he is the best manager for Chelsea, after this bad run some people seem to forget everything what Mourinho achieved in his career and how much he loves Chelsea and most important WHAT HE ACHIEVED WITH CHELSEA, and if someone know how to deal with this pressure and shitty results that's Mourinho.

No, no, no. THE MOST important question is "Are we building something LONG-TERM" ? When we still patches things up with Mikel I'm not too sure. Maybe, or rather probably, we won't win with Klopp for the first 2 years but I'm fairly sure we will build platform for success.

I'm not on Mourinho out brigade either at least not until the end of the season but you see something build here ? Pressing ? Youth ? Identity ? No. He's yet to build something I'm afraid. He get teams over the line 2 seasons in the row, once we were close to the title, second time we won, but 2 times we did famous retreat tactic when we had to change tactic and play pragmatic, unattractive football. Therefore it looks to me like Jose is still here on short-term work, when he wants to win something and move on. I'm wrong ?

I wouldn't give up on him yet. Mourinho has to make decision(s). Remember when he benched Ashley Cole permanently after shocking displays, especially at Newcastle ? He moved Azpilicueta to the left and he has to do similar things this time with others. When we're at Azpilicueta, his switch to the left was just an emergency call, let's not kid ourself that he is the ultimate quality there.

[Blue Colored Sky 1,807]

Wow, watched Mourinho interview with BT Sports. He said that we created enough chances and that apparently Hazard missed 2 sitters (I don't remember something like this happening though). It fits well with what I wrote an hour ago that he doesn't see games in analytic way anymore. How he can say that we had any chances at all ? But you know, when we win playing ugly, but we win nonetheless, he praises players through the roof. BTW Guardiola is livid on the touchline when the players don't execute what he wants, regardless of the result.

Maybe his assistants are so deep behind him that they confirm what he sees and Mourinho thinks, since he has confirmation from others, that he sees everything in correct way.

[MihaiM24 156]

It's just me or we started fucking up after THAT "boring boring" game when Mourinho started to take everything personal and kinda stopped using the park the bus style of play (which i believe it suited us better) and started to slate the teams and managers

[Jase 43,479]

If Newcastle beat West Ham tomorrow, we'll drop into the relegation zone. #JoseOUT

[Peace. 4,352]

Those who are calling for Mourinho to get the boot are not doing so solely based on result alone but a cumulation of several things which have already being discussed many times on here. We are a sinking ship right ow and from past history and latest indication/evidence, jose seem incapable of steadying the ship. His idea of turning things around is to stick with the same starting eleven and players who are totally out of form. His tactics aren't yielding any positive results and performance either. Where is the light at the end of the tunnel? i pose that question to you and other Jose apologist. Majority have simply lost confidence in his ability to turn things around due to his stubbornness, delusional tendencies, favoritism, outdated tactics and previous history (3rd season syndrome) which are all legitimate reasons.

Exactly. Somehow I do not want him to get axed, because I dread the club to be once again in a managerial merry-go.

Even though, the time will come — probably sooner than later — when we will have to part our way with him. And to be honest, I think he just has a few games to get things right. Unlike Manchester United, we cannot afford to undergo a few dark years. We neither are a major brand nor have we that "history" to fall back upon. To stay at the top, we are heavily dependant to successful results. A year without CL football could prove to be catastrophic for us — especially if that happens after a season dotted with fiasco such as what happened with Carneiro, i.e. a very bad publicity for the club. Moreover, comes May, Manchester City will most certainly have as many PL trophies in their cabinet as us... Just let that sink in... Our rank within English football could take a huge damage...

We clearly have to make things happen — and quickly. However all the odds are against Mourinho here. First off, his past history advocates against him : his first stint at this club, and his spell at Real... and as for Inter one could say he left the ship before it sank. Furthermore, our troubles are not new. They are visible since the start of the calendar year — and I put emphasis upon the notion "visible", as they existed long before that. Though, nothing has been done last season ; the situation was not addressed this summer, quite the contrary ; and nothing is being done to change things right now, i.e. same line-up and mentality/tactics over and over again.

Bearing that in mind, one could certainly wonder is the right manager for the futur. And by that I mean both the end of the seasons and forthcoming seasons. Whether you like it or not, his position at the club has to be questionned. Regardless of the results, if he is not even able to change his intents, whether it be the strategy, the style of play, the tactic or the starting line-up... Then he does not left the club with many choices but to sack him...

[Stats 7,060]

To play the kind of football we aspire to play, we need better fullbacks and more technical fullbacks à la Filipe Luis. Azpilicueta and Ivanovic ain't good enough for that kind of play. Anyone who saw United - Liverpool yesterday witnessed how Shaw and Darmian completely bossed the game. Our fullbacks do not play like that.

I hope Baba is given some real chances soon but still I can't get my head around the selling of Luis. A huge mistake not to play him and then selling him away because of it. Selling Bertrand is another mistake which should have not happened considering the lack of academy products in the squad. With an attacking minded coach Bertrand could have reached new highs if he was given a real chance to play with Hazard, Matic and the co.

This. The lack of an offensive threat our FB give us is a joke. Azpi has done well in the LB position but really for a top club wanting to compete for the UCL and keep on being a formidable domestic team, we really should be having natural full backs in the RB and LB position. Ivanovic is not a natural RB. Azpi is a right footed RB playing at LB. Everyone goes on about how good of a defensive player he is. Yeah, he is but then what does he give us going forward for majority of season? Not much. I was looking at the Arsenal highlights yesterday and the amount of times Monreal and Bellerin in particular provided natural attacking width was just amazing. They were excellently defensively too. Then you just see what Kolarov and Sagna have been providing City this season. United's game against Liverpool, how many times did Shaw and Darmian get down those flanks as you said. Also, both had excellent defensive games.

Having Ivanovic and Azpi as FB should be a short term solution. Not a long term one. When Azpi first started taking over Cole's role there I thought it would be temporary until we get a natural LB. We get Luis and Azpi still keeps playign at LB when Luis is a quality LB. Then we sell him for what? Absolutely ridiculous. Just why did Mourinho buy him to barely play him then get rid off? It is why I was so pissed off to see Bertrand leave. A natural attacking LB who is defensively sound and is from our academy and we let him go. Then to top it off, Shaw who is a fantastic LB when fit and will turn out to be one of the world's best went to United and he is a Chelsea fan. Someone like that should be in our team. Not a right footed player at LB ffs.

It worked for us in the league last season but seriously the lack of attacking width from our FB is not only setting us back in the league, it will set us back in the longer stretch in Europe. Teams are figuring us out. They know our offensive play from CB to FB are poor so we give to Hazard to work magic. Literally one-dimensional.

[Tomo 21,733]

i dont think so tomo.

i honestly think dropping iva WILL solve a LOT of problems. how can a RB not stop crosses from coming in? 12 goals in 5 games and atleast 10 of them were directly involved by iva. how can a RB just stand 6 yards off a player and let him shoot the way iva let naismith did yesterday. goals change matches and while our attack may seem lack lustre, we always seem to be chasing a game which is never easy. and most of this chasing is down to iva.

torres did start the bulk of games and we were still competent. but the point is that a striker can miss 5 sitters and score one goal and still be the match winner. a moment's lapse from a defender changes the whole game. i dont think thats comparable. the problem currently is iva or rather jose. if he cant atleast drop iva from the team. then like i have been saying since the WBA game, he needs to leave.

Honestly I believe dropping Iva will improve our defence, with the way he's playing it would be hard not too , but it would only take us so far.

We wouldn't concede 12 goals in 5 games if the other three in the defence were on point, no matter how bad Iva was playing, Terry and Cahill have been average at best, awful at worse, Zouma has been showing inexperience lately and even Cesar is starting to lose 1 on 1 battles which is unheard off, dropping Iva will be a start,but we got a lotof work to do on this back four.

And about Torres (manpe this is my response to you aswell so you don't think I'm ignoring you) he was holding us back loads, he was useless unless he scored and that was once in 5 and a half games, a 33 year old Eto'o was a breath of fresh air in comparison.

[11Drogba 2,000]

I want Mourinho to stay till the end of the season. Klopp and any other top manager would think that we did not give him enough time if we sack him before May. With every sacking it gets harder to convince managers to come here.

[BlueLion. 21,491]

why are we on a bad run? is it because we had a couple of bad calls from ref?

or is it because our whole squad has been out of form?

or is it because we are integrating youth into the team who need time?

or is it simply because jose has simply persisted with iva and cesc time after time after time?

you give me one decent reason why iva should have started wba or palace or yesterday, and i will admit i am a fickle bastard.

wba - after getting raped by city. and goals which were straight forward his faults. he still started. we had bought baba. was it too early to play him? maybe. what about zouma? why not azpi-gc-jt-zouma. he did give zouma some appearances as a LB in pre-season right? our left back is anyways supposed to be a defensive position, then why not?

palace - everyone on here knew iva will get murdered against the likes of zaha/bolasie. why was he started. 2 weeks since baba had joined still not ready? so we paid 21mil pounds for a player who could not even fill in when we were having a defensive crisis? still does not matter. play aina if need be. why did iva start?

everton - seriously? baba plays for ghana and now is surprisingly "injured" or "not ready".

people might be fickle but atleast we have the best for chelsea's at heart, which is not something i can say for jose as of this moment.

and when we are on this, give me a reason why falcao plays every match but remy has not got a minute. or costa continues or cesc contiues.

Don't mistake me for one of the people who thinks the sun shines out of Mourinho's arse.

But blaming him when the players are performing absolutely abysmally is ridiculous, in my opinion.

I'm just amazed there are people on here who want him to leave.

[Bacika 188]

If we don't make top4 (CL) he'll be sacked...

[didierforever 7,349]

Don't mistake me for one of the people who thinks the sun shines out of Mourinho's arse.

But blaming him when the players are performing absolutely abysmally is ridiculous, in my opinion.

I'm just amazed there are people on here who want him to leave.

the players are performing abysmally cos they have lost the motivation to play. what is cesc's motivation. do you remember his expression after the palace game when we won the PL? it was as if he had attained nirvana. you could see what it meant to him.

after reaching that level, players need to be re-motivated. how exactly has jose gone on to do that? by playing them match after match irrespective of how poor they have been.

iva has been dreadful. sometimes, a player out of form adn short on confidence just needs to be given a break. why the hell is iva playing 90 minutes of every game?

what should be remy's motivation when he takes the pitch next time? he knows irrespective of how he performs, he is going to be dropped even if costa is half fit.

all of this is on one man and one man only.

like i asked before, i simply want one reason for my questions. the only actual reason seems to be favouritism. jose is willing to fuck up the club's chances of winning the match, so that his favourites can play. i am sorry, but if there is another half logical reason for all of this, i will accept it. but i cant think of any. hence people want him gone.

and what is this new thing that he has started of us deserving better? is he joking? does he think all of are idiots? we deserved a loss against everton and palace. we deserved much worse than a 3-0 against city. and today iva and matic sing the same song. what exactly is going on down there?

[manpe 10,861]

And about Torres (manpe this is my response to you aswell so you don't think I'm ignoring you) he was holding us back loads, he was useless unless he scored and that was once in 5 and a half games, a 33 year old Eto'o was a breath of fresh air in comparison.

I agree and I wasn't even arguing that point.

[didierforever 7,349]

Honestly I believe dropping Iva will improve our defence, with the way he's playing it would be hard not too , but it would only take us so far.

We wouldn't concede 12 goals in 5 games if the other three in the defence were on point, no matter how bad Iva was playing, Terry and Cahill have been average at best, awful at worse, Zouma has been showing inexperience lately and even Cesar is starting to lose 1 on 1 battles which is unheard off, dropping Iva will be a start,but we got a lotof work to do on this back four.

And about Torres (manpe this is my response to you aswell so you don't think I'm ignoring you) he was holding us back loads, he was useless unless he scored and that was once in 5 and a half games, a 33 year old Eto'o was a breath of fresh air in comparison.

i beg to differ. i just cant see us having half the problems we have been having with iva. if azpi is playing as RB, i dont think we concede half the goals we have conceded. both swansea goals, 2 against city, both wba goals, 2 goals yesterday and both palace goals. all of them involved iva straight.

yes torres was fucking us up. hence we were struglling to get 4th. we became a europa league level team. i think my point stands. u cant have a fullback standing 6 yards off the winger and letting him cross the ball. as and when he wants to. u cant have a full back getting skiined multiple times a game. u cant have a CM like cesc protecting a FB like iva.

[sutro 1,026]

We're on a bad run and people want José out? I'd rather all you fickle bastards go instead.

On a bad run? really?

Its much deeper than just bad run,what about his favourite players playing ( Iva, cesc, matic, Hazard)like crap over and over again while others dont get any decent chance???

You make it sound like this place is only for the Mourinho worshippers, people have their doubts about him and rightfully so

[ZOS 580]

Well Mourinho, for one, was not able to sign his number 1 targets in the summer. We were after John Stones and Abdennour as our primary targets in the transfer windows as full backs. We had to settle down signing second tier players like Papy Djilobodji. Mourinho has been a victim of the transfer window, not working for him. Yes I agree, his love for Iva is actually getting annoying but who else is he going to play? Baba Rahman? Unproven still.

Listen, every manager has these moments where nothing is working out. It happened with Pep, Klopp, Ancelotti, Hiddink, you name it. Mourinho should not be sacked for the form of our attacking players like Hazard or Cesc. Only Pedro has been decent. The fans need to work closely with Jose, and put faith in him. Listen, this man has won us 3 titles of the 4 PL titles we've won. This man is Chelsea, and it's disgusting to see fickle fans treat him like this. We Chelsea fans need to learn from Dortmund fans. They were in relegation zone for 2 months under Klopp but still trusted him.

As Mourinho said today, http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34233979

NOBODY is better than him, in terms of managing Chelsea. He knows best and I have faith in him still. Name me ONE manager that can take over Chelsea tomorrow and bring success. No one would.

Actually, what would be funny is if we win the Champions League or FA cup this year, fickle fans will be back celebrating Mourinho.

1. I did not say he should be sacked. It has always been my stand that only Pep could replace him but the catalan hates us for some reason. But he deserves the lion share of the blame for this mess.

• He is responsible for the late start to the pre-season preparation (he could have done something about it).
• He is responsible for playing Ivanovic over and over regardless of his poor performance (BTW, yeserday, he played Mikel to cover Iva's big ass)
• He is responsible for picking up a fight with the medics. That was childish and stupid. He let the club down
• He is responsible for not taking responsibililiy. I mean, how arrogant is this guy? "My players deserve better... I am still the man ... every thing is going against us" ..what a fucking cunt. We all laugh and enjoy him being a prick to everybody else thinking he's just playing mind games and its all part of his plan ... but now its all clear, he is arrogant to the bone.

2. I agree the board fucked us all, they deserve to be sacked, all of them. They messed up this one chance to assert Chelsea's dominance over the EPL for the coming years

3. Who else is he going to play at RB? ... anybody.., himself, his wife. Are you this much in love with the guy, defending him over Ivanovic?

4. Yeah other great managers also have had poor run of performance.

• They also deserve to be blame by their respective fans
• They don't blame everybody else for their own mistake. And if they do, they are also arseholes

5. I know what Jose means to the club and I don't want him gone. But no one can help it he himself wants to be sacked. What in hell is he doing? Why persist with Iva and Terry? Why can't he just shut up after matches? Why be so arrogant? Let Steve or Faria take care of the media for a while, ffs

6. About being fickle and all that .. listen, I come here to express my emotion. That's all. None of things being sayed affects the club one bit. As far as I'm concerned every body here wants the best for Chelsea in his/her own way.

P.S: sorry for the typos and grammer cheers