The Mourinho Thread

[didierforever 7,349]

Ghana is on a completely different level to chelsea and nts have never shown much consideration for fitness -it's not their problem, see Delph's hammy injury for England.

How would playing a different CB at RB make any difference? Zouma plays on his left and I think Jose would know more about his ability to play on the right more than you do, he's probably tried it in training.

Supporting CFC includes showing support for the manager. Especially considering it's Jose. Perhaps you don't remember Scolari and the many interim managers we had, we are certainly better off with him instead and getting through this period. Although I would prefer to see RLC than this iteration of Cesc. He has ample time to sort us out, if this circus was going on until Crimbo I would understand, but it's been 5 matches.

I say again, have some faith. Having more instability and morale drain of losing a manager who is loved by the players will just inflame things further.

ohk. so let me get this straight.

we have 6 defenders. one of whom is bought for 21 million pounds and is now so far off the fitness that he cant replace a totally past it and out of form CB playing as a RB.

and then we have 5 defenders namely (zouma, GC, JT, iva, azpi), we sell our only back up FB in luis, and start the bloody season with a totla of 5 defenders and you are telling me that our fastest defender (zouma), cant even play a makeshift LB when needed. oh wait, we did try him in pre-season and even in community shield if i am not wrong. so basically, that is just hopeless squad management on jose's part.

and then there is the fact that this 21 year old kid who we bought on 16th august is still so unfit that he can play for his national team but apparently not CFC (by the way, what level are u tlaking about? we have the worst defence in teh league. 12 goals in 5 games, and we should be thanking our GKs for their effort that its is JUST 12 goals in 5 games). so what level are u tlaking about exactly?

anyways, lets call a spade a spade. and put the blame exactly where it needs to be rather than throwing OTT theories and excuses. jose started iva cos he is our "untouchable". jose startes cesc cos he is our "untouchable". if baba was "unfit", was RLC unfit too? why is cesc on the pitch? if rlc is not good enough to replace a cesc in this form, what the fuck is he doing in our squad, since we have such "levels".

i will support CFC and its manager WHEN i see that the manager is doing things for the best of the club rather than just to prove himself and satiate his massive ego. a manager who clearly is doing things which are harming the club and its chances of winning, i am sorry, but i acant support that manager. my loyalties lie with CFC not in trying to find no good excuses for our manager's obvious faults.

none of scholari's, avb's or even carlo's second term did we look so hopelessly impotent. avb got an aging squad, carlo made some massive fuck ups in the transfer window, but unlike them, jose is simply screwing us up just so he can play his favourites specially when the solutions seem to be staring right at us. UNACCEPTABLE.

[manpe 10,861]

The fact is that we have been steadily going from good to worse. When Mourinho came, he said his and the club's aim was to improve the team. Evolution was the word used most often. And Mourinho explicitly said that if he fails to make the team play better, more expansive and proactive football, then the blame is fully on him. He also said the same regarding integration of youth players. Well, so far in those terms he has failed despite winning the league last season. Remember his words - he said that he cannot be satisfied winning ugly, there is no evolution in that.

Okay Jose, it would be easy to find those direct quotes from you from ~2 years ago. Now that we are facing the music and have actually been regressing badly, he is blaming everything from luck and referees to computer failures. I wonder if he really feels that way or deep down he knows that currently he is on the failure path more than success path.

[Azul 1,615]

I sometimes wonder whether people support Chelsea or Mourinho. If it was Benitez you would've wanted him to get sacked immediately.

I don't want Jose to get sacked but I want him to change his tactics and his stubbornnes. If he doesn't we will fail it's as simple as that. Get the Mou fanboy/girl shit out of your system and just think.... see things for the way they truly are.

There is a fine line between blindly supporting every decision Jose makes and actually seeing what's truly happening. Stop being a robot and wake up PLEASE lol.

[Kieran. 6,317]

Sort of get the feeling we'll sort it out too late to push for the title, but early enough to challenge for CL and win the cups.

[didierforever 7,349]

I sometimes wonder whether people support Chelsea or Mourinho. If it was Benitez you would've wanted him to get sacked immediately.

I don't want Jose to get sacked but I want him to change his tactics and his stubbornnes. If he doesn't we will fail it's as simple as that. Get the Mou fanboy/girl shit out of your system and just think.... see things for the way they truly are.

There is a fine line between blindly supporting every decision Jose makes and actually seeing what's truly happening. Stop being a robot and wake up PLEASE lol.

everyone has their tipping point.

for me, it was iva starting against WBA (even though we won). i lost all respect i ever had for him that day.

i feel people's tipping point will be when we lose to arsenal at the bridge. that would pretty much seal jose's fate too. but atleast we would probably fight for a top4 position then.

[Stats 7,230]

I sometimes wonder whether people support Chelsea or Mourinho. If it was Benitez you would've wanted him to get sacked immediately.

I don't want Jose to get sacked but I want him to change his tactics and his stubbornnes. If he doesn't we will fail it's as simple as that. Get the Mou fanboy/girl shit out of your system and just think.... see things for the way they truly are.

There is a fine line between blindly supporting every decision Jose makes and actually seeing what's truly happening. Stop being a robot and wake up PLEASE lol.

It is utterly ridiculous when people call fans "plastic" for calling out Mourinho. Yes, he has done a lot for us but that does not mean we should rest on our laurels and accept poor results/poor performances. Just hate when I see these members calling other members plastic.

[zolayes 14,489]

would we be in a better situation if we still had Mata ,, KDB Luis Luiz Lukaku .. of course NOT because if they were still with us they WOULDNT get picked

[DYC. 7,542]

The fact is that we have been steadily going from good to worse. When Mourinho came, he said his and the club's aim was to improve the team. Evolution was the word used most often. And Mourinho explicitly said that if he fails to make the team play better, more expansive and proactive football, then the blame is fully on him. He also said the same regarding integration of youth players. Well, so far in those terms he has failed despite winning the league last season. Remember his words - he said that he cannot be satisfied winning ugly, there is no evolution in that.

Okay Jose, it would be easy to find those direct quotes from you from ~2 years ago. Now that we are facing the music and have actually been regressing badly, he is blaming everything from luck and referees to computer failures. I wonder if he really feels that way or deep down he knows that currently he is on the failure path more than success path.

He did say that. But this is the best quote of all:

"I think,” the Chelsea manager José Mourinho says, “I have a problem, which is I’m getting better at everything related to my job since I started. There has been evolution in many different areas – the way I read the game; the way I prepare the game; the way I train; the methodology… I feel better and better. But there is one point where I cannot change: when I face the media, I am never a hypocrite.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/managers/jose-mourinho/11519921/Jose-Mourinho-I-have-a-problem.-Im-getting-better-at-everything.html

[kellzfresh 7,229]

I agree with a lot of what you are saying but it's been longer than 5 matches

There's no enthusiasm, heart or desire in our team - these were all traits MOURINHO used to be associated with - hell I loved our passion and heart, it has won us so much.

This part is what bothers me. We all know if Mourinho is really caring about our results, he'll go back to his style, park the bus and grind out results. He did this last season after we lost badly to tottenham, he did it the previous season after we lost to sunderland in the carling cup.

I can't believe he hasn't done this yet. It was unexpected like he doesn't care, "the refugees are really the ones under pressure".

[Jase 43,479]

He did say that. But this is the best quote of all:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/managers/jose-mourinho/11519921/Jose-Mourinho-I-have-a-problem.-Im-getting-better-at-everything.html

But there is one point where I cannot change: when I face the media, I am never a hypocrite.”

Jose, every manager is a hypocrite in the public and you are one of the worst offenders ever.

[Jase 43,479]

This part is what bothers me. We all know if Mourinho is really caring about our results, he'll go back to his style, park the bus and grind out results. He did this last season after we lost badly to tottenham, he did it the previous season after we lost to sunderland in the carling cup.

I can't believe he hasn't done this yet. It was unexpected like he doesn't care, "the refugees are really the ones under pressure".

Not sure being pragmatic helps these days when you have people like Ivanovic in defence and playing like he has been.

It's almost as if the players have become satisfied after winning the title last season. All that hunger, desire, determination, enthusiasm etc have gone out of the window.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

Not sure being pragmatic helps these days when you have people like Ivanovic in defence and playing like he has been.

It's almost as if the players have become satisfied after winning the title last season. All that hunger, desire, determination, enthusiasm etc have gone out of the window.

But Mourinho is a manager who is characterized for not letting people lose focus. What has happened?? Too many players losing motivation like this is unheard of. Are the players quarreling with him? Or are they tired of how we play???

[Pizy 19,377]

Not sure being pragmatic helps these days when you have people like Ivanovic in defence and playing like he has been.

It's almost as if the players have become satisfied after winning the title last season. All that hunger, desire, determination, enthusiasm etc have gone out of the window.

This is exactly what it is in my opinion as well. It's like the players came back after winning the title thinking that they can just show up on match days and win by default based on their superior talent.

We heard all summer from many of our players that "every team will want to beat us even more now that we're champions." They knew what was coming and haven't been able to do anything about it. Every team in the league, even the small ones like Swansea, West Brom, and Palace aren't scared of Chelsea anymore. Our players are so soft that they know if they get at us we'll crumble like cake.

To compare the situation to another sport, it's like if a champion boxer has a big fight against someone who is a huge underdog. The champion is arrogant and didn't feel he needed to prepare and improve and that he'd just stroll in and knock his opponent out. Meanwhile, the challenger had been putting in work, improving, and figuring out the champion and ends up winning the fight.

[Fernando 6,743]

I sometimes wonder whether people support Chelsea or Mourinho. If it was Benitez you would've wanted him to get sacked immediately.

I don't want Jose to get sacked but I want him to change his tactics and his stubbornnes. If he doesn't we will fail it's as simple as that. Get the Mou fanboy/girl shit out of your system and just think.... see things for the way they truly are.

There is a fine line between blindly supporting every decision Jose makes and actually seeing what's truly happening. Stop being a robot and wake up PLEASE lol.

I actually thought we was improving with Benitez towards the end of the season.

And then we thought Mourinho was supposed to be better then him just to realize his no better.....

Benitez is not the best coach out there but there was some nice progress at the end of the season and that is what matters most.

So if we was able to do that with someone like Benitez then I'm sure it can be done with someone that like attractive futbol and youth.

[didierforever 7,349]

I actually thought we was improving with Benitez towards the end of the season.

And then we thought Mourinho was supposed to be better then him just to realize his no better.....

Benitez is not the best coach out there but there was some nice progress at the end of the season and that is what matters most.

So if we was able to do that with someone like Benitez then I'm sure it can be done with someone that like attractive futbol and youth.

that stings even more.

most of us would be willing to take a year of okay results, top 4 finish etc etc, if it meant some youth integration and attacking style of football.

but we are cant even bloody drop a 31 year old past it CB playing as a RB. what a shame!!!

[DYC. 7,542]

I'm confident the manager and the team can turn things around. I can't imagine finishing outside the top 4 this season. But winning the title was priority #1 this season and I think that's gone now.

Winning the FA Cup would be nice and could soothe the pain of failure a bit. Winning the CL isn't impossible but I don't see that happening tbh.

You'd think the PL season would now offer plenty of opportunities to play the likes of RLC, Musonda etc. but I'm sure now is not the right time because of the terrible start. Last season wasn't the right time either because there was a title to be won. It's never the right time.

[Jase 43,479]

But Mourinho is a manager who is characterized for not letting people lose focus. What has happened?? Too many players losing motivation like this is unheard of. Are the players quarreling with him? Or are they tired of how we play???

Considering what happened in the past with us, players not happy with the manager is nothing new. But what's the reason in this case? We were still fine last season and things started to go wrong since pre-season started. Something must have happened back then or during the off-season.

[manpe 10,861]

Considering what happened in the past with us, players not happy with the manager is nothing new. But what's the reason in this case? We were still fine last season and things started to go wrong since pre-season started. Something must have happened back then or during the off-season.

I am almost certain that some or most players are feeling alienated, because players know that they either a) will not play no matter what, or b.) will play no matter what. Hence motivation levels have dropped for different reasons. I'm sure that the treatment of some players and even the staff don't rub well with team spirit. For example what should Hazard think when he gets constantly criticized for his defending when much worse players get protected and praised for their bloody boots? Then the manager slams other teams and refs for not protecting him, yet recently when our doctors went to check up on him on the ref's call, they got slammed and banished for something that he cried out for before. If you ask me that's douchery and hypocrisy at its finest. And that is only one public incident for us to see, but 99% of the things that happen we don't see. Confusion all around. If I was a player I know I would be confused as hell by my manager. He is not instilling any confidence in the players, but rather sucking it out.

[Iggy Doonican 4,187]

A lot of the blame has to be put firmly on whoever organized our pre- season games. Last premier league game 24 th May. Then play first pre- season match in Thailand on the 30th May. June 2nd then play in Australia. Go to the States and play three games starting on July 22nd ending on July 28th. A then jet lagged squad travel back to London for the Charity Shield on August 2nd. A completely pointless game against Fiorentina on August 5th which would have been ok perhaps if we were not going to be involved in the Charity Shield just three day previously.

Then we play Swansea on August 8th on what is the earliest start to a season i can ever remember. So the fact is one of these tours has to be given the elbow yes we all know there money making exercises but to go to Thailand just six days after winning the league is just plain stupid. We are definitely winning the race for club with the biggest carbon footprint ha ha. While poor team selection and tactics (and childish rants) are the main problems i do think having a packed pre- season didn't help.

[King11Didier 916]

The fact is that we have been steadily going from good to worse. When Mourinho came, he said his and the club's aim was to improve the team. Evolution was the word used most often. And Mourinho explicitly said that if he fails to make the team play better, more expansive and proactive football, then the blame is fully on him. He also said the same regarding integration of youth players. Well, so far in those terms he has failed despite winning the league last season. Remember his words - he said that he cannot be satisfied winning ugly, there is no evolution in that.

Okay Jose, it would be easy to find those direct quotes from you from ~2 years ago. Now that we are facing the music and have actually been regressing badly, he is blaming everything from luck and referees to computer failures. I wonder if he really feels that way or deep down he knows that currently he is on the failure path more than success path.

Yep, that was something I was about to post. Mou was talking about evolution and how he is creating a great team for the future which can't be stopped. What a f8cking evolution..... Last week he played Obi Mikel for sake. He even said that RLC will start this season, with playing Mikel instead of him last week I can't see any sign in evolution.

And please give me one good explanation why he treated his medical staff this way when they are called from the referee to treat a player? He said that he was 100% sure Hazard was ok.... Then why you need this staff, just take their role and he will decide from the sideline if the player is in pain and if he really need a treatment.

I hate his big ego and that he never feels that he was the person who made the mistake. I don't know if there is another manager who will still play Ivanovic and Cesc with their bad run of form.