Reddish-Blue 2,509 Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 14 hours ago, robsblubot said: And I think you did just about the same when comparing Di Matteo and Tuchel. 😉 I have no way of knowing how well Tuchel did behind the scenes and rather not speculate. I feel the club may have reasons for the sacking, but what I saw on the pitch made sense to me. Potter signing still makes absolutely no sense to me though. The problem is, it stopped making sense on the pitch from pre-season to the start of this season. Players were just jogging around the pitch in those early games and it looked like a change was needed as the trend was concerning (1 point in the UCL after 2 matchdays, 2 horrible losses against teams that we shouldn't be losing against in the league - Leeds, Southampton). I was a fan of Tuchel but I feel he never really recovered from losing Rudiger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 6 minutes ago, Reddish-Blue said: The problem is, it stopped making sense on the pitch from pre-season to the start of this season. Players were just jogging around the pitch in those early games and it looked like a change was needed as the trend was concerning (1 point in the UCL after 2 matchdays, 2 horrible losses against teams that we shouldn't be losing against in the league - Leeds, Southampton). I was a fan of Tuchel but I feel he never really recovered from losing Rudiger. Agreed and tbh not getting a proper replacement was a failure as a club -- plenty of time for that too. Now here's the concern I have: with the power shift towards players these days, the move of sacking a demanding manager like Tuchel (who likes high press) may have empowered players even more. I'm not sure Potter is the guy who can regain their trust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddish-Blue 2,509 Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 14 hours ago, robsblubot said: Agreed and tbh not getting a proper replacement was a failure as a club -- plenty of time for that too. Now here's the concern I have: with the power shift towards players these days, the move of sacking a demanding manager like Tuchel (who likes high press) may have empowered players even more. I'm not sure Potter is the guy who can regain their trust. Feel like the end of season transfer window will be huge in deciding where the club is headed (e.g. a bit of stability and retaining our UCL spot or sliding down to a top 8 place). There shouldn't be anymore excuses for the new owners as they've invested in some quality footballing minds from the likes of City & Southampton. I'm not sure if Potter needs to regain trust, we've done alright considering the circumstances (Kante out long-term, Reece out, Fofana out, Kovacic carrying an injury), but I do feel we need to figure out what to do with our attack that is so inconsistent in front of goal. Havertz, Pulisic, Ziyech all have question marks over their ability to either create goals or score goals... bigbluewillie and robsblubot 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoSalah 8,886 Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 On 04/11/2022 at 15:14, ZAPHOD2319 said: Lets be honest, its took City how long to have things in place for Pep? 3/4 years? And thats for Pep who is a world class manager/the best manager at the moment. Its going to take significantly longer for most clubs regardless of managers, never mind Graham Potter - to get us anything close to City because they’ve had everything in place for years. If anything, Tuchel was the man to give this infrastructure and time to. 6 finals of which he won 3 in 2 years is as good as it gets for most managers. And in the 3 we lost, 2 on penalties and 1 by a long shot goal. The only realistic thing that will really help us close the gap sooner is Pep leaving City because they wont get anybody who is as world class as Pep for that group of players. Lets be realistic - We won’t be catching City with Graham Potter either - I am sorry to say but he just doesn’t have enough about him to propel us closer like TT did. And even then, is Todd Boehly really going to get everything in place correct the first time around? I doubt it. He’s new to football. So there will be mistakes (more mistakes). Reddish-Blue, We Hate Scouse, bigbluewillie and 1 other 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddish-Blue 2,509 Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 4 hours ago, OneMoSalah said: Lets be honest, its took City how long to have things in place for Pep? 3/4 years? And thats for Pep who is a world class manager/the best manager at the moment. Its going to take significantly longer for most clubs regardless of managers, never mind Graham Potter - to get us anything close to City because they’ve had everything in place for years. If anything, Tuchel was the man to give this infrastructure and time to. 6 finals of which he won 3 in 2 years is as good as it gets for most managers. And in the 3 we lost, 2 on penalties and 1 by a long shot goal. The only realistic thing that will really help us close the gap sooner is Pep leaving City because they wont get anybody who is as world class as Pep for that group of players. Lets be realistic - We won’t be catching City with Graham Potter either - I am sorry to say but he just doesn’t have enough about him to propel us closer like TT did. And even then, is Todd Boehly really going to get everything in place correct the first time around? I doubt it. He’s new to football. So there will be mistakes (more mistakes). Were we actually that close to City with Tuchel at the helm? Maybe tactically, but from an overall league perspective, we haven't been anywhere near them since Conte departed the club. Conte had to replace Matic with Bakayoyo in midfield and that's where the issues started. He's currently got one midfielder who was discarded by Southampton as surplus to requirements and another who was let go by Juventus and he's somehow got that team in the mix for top 4. it's almost like alot of fans have Tuchel tinted glasses on when they talk about him, it's like our general performance in the league and the rubbish football we were serving up last season has been forgotten about and all we want to do is highlight his amazing cup runs which led to 1 major trophy. People actually wanted Tuchel for the long term with the poor transfer decisions he was making? Interesting how his longest stint in management is still Mainz (180+ games), with Dortmund, PSG and Chelsea, it was 3 seasons or less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strike 7,492 Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 10 hours ago, OneMoSalah said: Lets be honest, its took City how long to have things in place for Pep? 3/4 years? And thats for Pep who is a world class manager/the best manager at the moment. Its going to take significantly longer for most clubs regardless of managers, never mind Graham Potter - to get us anything close to City because they’ve had everything in place for years. If anything, Tuchel was the man to give this infrastructure and time to. 6 finals of which he won 3 in 2 years is as good as it gets for most managers. And in the 3 we lost, 2 on penalties and 1 by a long shot goal. The only realistic thing that will really help us close the gap sooner is Pep leaving City because they wont get anybody who is as world class as Pep for that group of players. Lets be realistic - We won’t be catching City with Graham Potter either - I am sorry to say but he just doesn’t have enough about him to propel us closer like TT did. And even then, is Todd Boehly really going to get everything in place correct the first time around? I doubt it. He’s new to football. So there will be mistakes (more mistakes). It took City one year under Pep. 1 season he lost the league to Conte but from the very next year, they began monopolising the league. They came to Stamford Bridge and played a league winning side off the park. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrExcalibur100 7,124 Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 Tuchel to Potter has to be one of the biggest managerial downgrades in modern football history. And it was all self inflicted. This clueless clown needs to go.🤡 Horrible way for Boehly to start his era. Just embarrassing. robsblubot and bigbluewillie 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laylabelle 9,536 Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 He must have regrets...shouldve stayed at Brighton much better there! Johnnyeye and bigbluewillie 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! lucio 5,418 Posted November 6, 2022 Popular Post! Share Posted November 6, 2022 Senseless appointment. Would have been like giving pardew the job for having a decent season with Newcastle one time. Absolute embarrassment having this mid table nobody managing us bigbluewillie, bluephoenix, Johnnyeye and 3 others 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockwork 1,794 Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 7 minutes ago, MrExcalibur100 said: Tuchel to Potter has to be one of the biggest managerial downgrades in modern football history. And it was all self inflicted. This clueless clown needs to go.🤡 Horrible way for Boehly to start his era. Just embarrassing. People have short memory how shit our football were under Tuchel, past his purple patch here. Hamilton, DDA and MoroccanBlue 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoroccanBlue 5,383 Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 6 minutes ago, Clockwork said: People have short memory how shit our football were under Tuchel, past his purple patch here. Agreed. Tuchel looking a lot more attractive now not just because we are losing, but because Tuchel had the honesty to call it out as it is. Players are shit. bluephoenix, Johnnyeye, OneMoSalah and 1 other 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 Yeah he's in over his head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laylabelle 9,536 Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 But someone made this appointment. It must have made sense at the time! But nothing has changed. We haven't changed we're just bouncing around where we are..its a shame and guess for him to because he was doing better with Brighton. Maybe something will click but seems so unlikely.. bit of a waste of time really Johnnyeye 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrExcalibur100 7,124 Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 Potter is the worst Chelsea manager we've had in several years. He doesn't have the capacity to turn things around and is a massive downgrade from Tuchel. We'll finish 6th this season and worse next year, if we don't sack him now we can be looking at a Mourinho 2015/16 season. I don't know who Boehly's advisors are but this is a terrible way to start his era at the club bigbluewillie and Johnnyeye 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyeye 7,510 Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 i just dont see a good future for Potter at Chelsea, i would love to be proven wrong but i just don’t see it, maybe because i’m incensed at this club atm. The players let Tuchel down really bad, from Tuchel to Potter is a big downgrade. Boehly fucked up bigbluewillie, Atomiswave and Laylabelle 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vytis33 1,276 Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 Johnnyeye, Atomiswave and OneMoSalah 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyeye 7,510 Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 Just now, Vytis33 said: Boehly fucked up, its becoming more clear with each passing day. Atomiswave and OneMoSalah 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laylabelle 9,536 Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 21 minutes ago, Clockwork said: People have short memory how shit our football were under Tuchel, past his purple patch here. But its no better now and doesn't look like it'll get better. If we end up sacking Potter the whole thing is just a waste of time really. Johnnyeye 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoroccanBlue 5,383 Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 5 minutes ago, Laylabelle said: But its no better now and doesn't look like it'll get better. If we end up sacking Potter the whole thing is just a waste of time really. Sneaky suspicion he will be given a lot of time. There is no way Boehly and co can watch our team and think our players are good enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laylabelle 9,536 Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said: Sneaky suspicion he will be given a lot of time. There is no way Boehly and co can watch our team and think our players are good enough. Hope not...but then the other side of it Klopp and Arteta were bit crap and pulled things together. It depends how much patience they have and how far the drop ends up. It's just the performance more then the results. Fair enough play well and lose but to play like today..was nothing there Edited November 6, 2022 by Laylabelle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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