Chelsea Transfers

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

2 minutes ago, Vesper said:

da fuq

are you calling ME a plastic?

This guy is one of the most annoying members. Pops up every few weeks to insult others in his elementary school English only to disapper directly after, which is probably why he has not been banned yet.

[Vesper 30,218]

2 minutes ago, Muzchap said:

Don't boil over 👍

Ignore them - I love your posts and whilst we may not always agree - respect your opinion 👍 

I never once had a go at that poster, nor they at me, so curious why they said that

[Special Juan 28,141]

Don't worry, I have got an eye on Japs Si

[Fernando 6,585]

Awesome, 25 million for Zouma. 

Good job Chelsea. Now let's finish the deal for Saul and Kounde and we are set for the new season! 

Edited August 26, 2021 by Fernando

[Vesper 30,218]

[Blues Forever 1,232]

 

[Pizy 18,944]

11 minutes ago, Muzchap said:

It's a contract. If we meet the contractual obligations then he becomes our player. 

They could break the contract- but then they would be acting in bad faith and would likely face action from both Chelsea in the form of damages and sanctions from the governing body UEFA/FIFA - as transfer contracts are sacrosanct.

I see. I thought it was more like a gentleman’s agreement or something. 

So yeah, this loan move for Saul would be excellent business with literally zero downsides from our perspective. He does well and we have ourselves another Kovacic situation. He is mediocre and we send him back and buy Rice or someone else next summer.

[Superblue 6,372]

With the greatest respect to West Ham, Zouma is probably about their level if he's expecting a starting berth (top 8 team pushing for top 4/6).

I think it's a good, solid signing for West Ham but on the flipside he has some clear deficiencies on the ball which is why he's not been quite the right fit for us. Around 25-30m is good business and by the sounds of things if we're essentially bringing in Kounde for the equivalent of around 15-20m and Zouma then I think it's potentially more good business.

It gives Kounde a season to really bed in, adapt to English football, without being under immediate pressure to hit the ground running and also having the opportunity to play and train alongside the likes of Silva and Azpilicueta. 

If we can add Saul too on a "try before you buy" deal we're bringing in two potential excellent players to significantly improve the squad strength and depth.

[Pizy 18,944]

Gonna miss Zouma as a personality and as a solid Chelsea player. Seemed like a huge character around the place and someone everyone loved.

West Ham building an extremely solid side. In fact, they may have a more dangerous side than Arse which is hilarious.

[Muzchap 8,966]

6 minutes ago, Pizy said:

I see. I thought it was more like a gentleman’s agreement or something. 

So yeah, this loan move for Saul would be excellent business with literally zero downsides from our perspective. He does well and we have ourselves another Kovacic situation. He is mediocre and we send him back and buy Rice or someone else next summer.

Ahh, no way, everything is 100% defined in the contract and literally there is no wriggle room. It's either don't exercise the option, or, exercise the option at £x consideration.

In legal terms you need 3 things to complete a contract.

Offer

Acceptance

Consideration (£1 being lowest amount)

[Vesper 30,218]

Midfielder spotted in London, has offer from Chelsea – Club ‘convinced’ player could join Blues

http://sportwitness.co.uk/midfielder-spotted-london-offer-Chelsea-club-convinced-player-join-blues/

Chelsea are frequently named as a main contender to sign Ilaix Moriba.

The midfielder turned down the Blues and other clubs in favour of signing a contract with Barcelona in 2019 and that decision paid off after Ronald Koeman gave him opportunities last season.

With a contract expiring in 2022, the La Liga side have failed to find an agreement over a new deal. This has alerted the likes of the west London club and RB Leipzig, while he’s made to train with the reserves.

On August 25th, Mundo Deportivo explained the 18-year-old was spotted in London at the weekend.

Thursday’s edition of AS explains offers from the top European clubs are raining down for the Guinean, but they only name Thomas Tuchel’s side and Leipzig. They add Moriba is currently out of the dynamics of Barca’s first team.

Real Madrid were credited with an interest, but a ‘confidential’ report from Sport says Los Blancos will not make an approach for the player due to the ‘non-aggression pact’ agreed between Joan Laporta and Florentino Pérez in recent months.

The two Spanish giants, along with Juventus, have agreed not to make an approach for each other’s players, unless it’s a ‘beneficial operation’ for the clubs involved in the deal.

Therefore, at the Camp Nou, they have ruled out Moriba joining Real Madrid.

Sport add Barcelona are ‘convinced’ if Moriba doesn’t sign an extension, which seems impossible as of now, he will start an adventure abroad, either at Chelsea or Leipzig.

Edited August 26, 2021 by Vesper

[Muzchap 8,966]

1 minute ago, Pizy said:

Gonna miss Zouma as a personality and as a solid Chelsea player. Seemed like a huge character around the place and someone everyone loved.

West Ham building an extremely solid side. In fact, they may have a more dangerous side than Arse which is hilarious.

Yes, they are the new power in London - I would say they could finish above both Spuds and Arse...

Moyes is a decent manager, not super adventurous but he gets these mid table teams with 'almost there' players - raising their game. He's a bit like Martin O'Neil was with Aston Villa.

[Superblue 6,372]

2 minutes ago, Muzchap said:

Yes, they are the new power in London - I would say they could finish above both Spuds and Arse...

Moyes is a decent manager, not super adventurous but he gets these mid table teams with 'almost there' players - raising their game. He's a bit like Martin O'Neil was with Aston Villa.

There's only one true 'power' in London 😉

[YorkshireBlue 3,279]

7 minutes ago, Muzchap said:

Yes, they are the new power in London - I would say they could finish above both Spuds and Arse...

Moyes is a decent manager, not super adventurous but he gets these mid table teams with 'almost there' players - raising their game. He's a bit like Martin O'Neil was with Aston Villa.

I like moyes, I feel sorry for him because that man utd job he was bascally thrown to the wolfs and left to be torn to shreds.

[Vesper 30,218]

3 minutes ago, Muzchap said:

Yes, they are the new power in London - I would say they could finish above both Spuds and Arse...

Moyes is a decent manager, not super adventurous but he gets these mid table teams with 'almost there' players - raising their game. He's a bit like Martin O'Neil was with Aston Villa.

[ZAPHOD2319 4,819]

I will miss Kurt, he is a hell of a nice guy. Will not miss the holding the ball until panic sets in followed by a horrendous pass. It only happened once a game, but it was often costly.

[Mário César 1,280]

 

 

[MoroccanBlue 5,383]

15 minutes ago, ZAPHOD2319 said:

I will miss Kurt, he is a hell of a nice guy. Will not miss the holding the ball until panic sets in followed by a horrendous pass. It only happened once a game, but it was often costly.

Pretty good CV for a player of his quality. 

[milka 3,393]

 

[Jype 6,398]

42 minutes ago, Pizy said:

I see. I thought it was more like a gentleman’s agreement or something. 

So yeah, this loan move for Saul would be excellent business with literally zero downsides from our perspective. He does well and we have ourselves another Kovacic situation. He is mediocre and we send him back and buy Rice or someone else next summer.

I'm late but like others said before, a buy option in a loan is a contractual thing. The fixed price becomes essentially a release clause for the player so the selling club can't decline the offer if the clause is activated, but it can only be activated by the loan club for the said price. Of course like with release clauses, the player himself would still be free to decline the permanent move next year, but I don't think that happens very often because for the club to even want to trigger the buy option in the first place the loan would likely have been a very successful one and there'd be little reason for the player to turn down the move.

I see very little risk in a loan for Saul. Obviously there would still be a reasonably big loan fee involved (5-10m€) and we'd have to take on his wages but the upside is huge. If he can get back to his previous level (2015-2019) it'd basically mean having the option of buying a world class player for peanuts and at worst he'd still be a good (although expensive) squad filler for the season and no doubt better than the likes of RLC, Ampadu would be if they stayed. And like you said, if he proves not good enough the club can just send him packing next year and go after another target.