The Mourinho Thread

[Billy. 2,742]

1. ChelsTransfer ‏@ChelsTransfer 2m2 minutes ago

   BT Sport footage of Mourinho and his staff was shown to a lip-reader, who believes JM said the following (via Mail)

   

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[zolayes 14,489]

To me its a total simplification, an unproven statement, and doing Mourinho a diservice in glibly stating 'he got rid'.

Most of these decisions are made by a team of several CFC staff especially Mr Emanalo. Mourinho would have some input, granted. Conversely, it is common knowledge, for instance, Jose was vehemently opposed to the selling of Cech. Who's to say he didnt feel similarly about one, or several of the players you've mentioned ?

I never mentioned Cech but I never heard him complaining of the others who left ,, His only comments were derogratry ..

but I wont argue with you as .. you will give me warning points again for being provactive and aggressive

[Fulham Broadway 16,924]

• ChelsTransfer ‏@ChelsTransfer 2m2 minutes ago

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lol that just sounds soooooo made up

[HRiver 1,512]

Maybe, just maybe mate, his style of managing is simply tiring. We can't be replacing 1/2 of the team every 2 years or so. That's just unrealistic.

Let's be honest here, we're getting Chelsea'd currently. All those shit games we played in the second part of last season are going the other way this time. Last season there were games which we shouldn't have won and where we got lucky, this time, though, there's no Remy or Hazard to bail us out. Our reliance on Hazard and those lucky bounces we had was just too astronomical to be sustainable.

Also, let's not ignore that last year was one of the weakest in terms of overall quality from the big sides. United was in stage #1 of their rebuild, City and Arsenal were constantly injured, and Liverpool and Spurs were their usual selves. Not winning the league title would have been disappointing all things considered.

In more than 2 years under Mourinho we have only had one half of a season were we looked dominating - that should be telling. At that point talking about players should stop.

I still don't agree - I don't think we won the title because of luck or because we won games we shouldn't have, that's unfair to the team and the manager for not giving them enough credit.

As for the league being weak I don't buy it. City are pretty much the same team with the same style/philosophy, but last season they were no match for us. If they're the ones to win the league this year will they still be weak champions because we're in crisis and United are in stage #2 of their rebuild, or something? I doubt it.

[robsblubot 3,532]

But that's not the point here, is it? Others play one bad game and they get dropped immediately but not those two mentioned.

right but imo that's the wrong point.

Jose doesn't play Iva because he likes him personally, but because he likes him as a player. He believes Ivanovic is the best RB in the roster and I happen to agree. We could do better than Iva at the moment, but that's irrelevant as we did not (transfer window) and Baba looks shaky still.

It's even worse with Fabregas. TPTB and I were one of the few who weren't crazy about Fabregas' signing - thought a bit too soft for that role. Yet, watching Mikel and Ramires "passing" the football, if you can call it that, is something I wouldn't wish to anyone.

[Fulham Broadway 16,924]

I never mentioned Cech but I never heard him complaining of the others who left ,, His only comments were derogratry ..

but I wont argue with you as .. you will give me warning points again for being provactive and aggressive

No, I mentioned Cech, is that OK ? Mourinho was opposed to the offloading to the Arse, so potentially the others as well. You dont know, I dont know, so its disingenuous to assert 'he got rid' as fact.

You only get warning points if you are provocative and aggressive, not for pretending to be a martyr.

[zolayes 14,489]

No, I mentioned Cech, is that OK ? Mourinho was opposed to the offloading to the Arse, so potentially the others as well. You dont know, I dont know, so its disingenuous to assert 'he got rid' as fact.

You only get warning points if you are provocative and aggressive, not for pretending to be a martyr.

post what you want I can't delete your posts

[Amblève. 4,995]

I still don't agree - I don't think we won the title because of luck or because we won games we shouldn't have, that's unfair to the team and the manager for not giving them enough credit.

As for the league being weak I don't buy it. City are pretty much the same team with the same style/philosophy, but last season they were no match for us. If they're the ones to win the league this year will they still be weak champions because we're in crisis and United are in stage #2 of their rebuild, or something? I doubt it.

I personally do think that the second part of last season was not worthy of champions and I have my doubts we would have won the title in a season as competitive as the period 2005-2010. We're seeing this season what a few things not going our way can do (although, I still can't believe we're this bad).

Currently? Absolutely. With the way we have self-imploded, Liverpool changing coaches mid-season, United still not being there yet, it's basically just Arsenal and City and 10/10 would bet on City winning it if Arsenal's their biggest threat.

[Peace. 4,352]

The board needs to take a radical stance. As I have suggested they either needs to choose Mourinho or the (some) players. To make this decision it is important to assess both Mourinho and the squad/players. And a serie of questions needs to be sounded : can we rebuild entirely the team ? are some players expandable ? can we take the risk the finish within the mid table and forget europe ? is the manager the right one for the long term ? is our current brand of football what we want for the futur ? etc, etc..

We can sell the players fed up with Mourinho : Hazard ? Matic ? Remy ?? Oscar ??? Then there are the outdated players : Terry ; Ivanovic ; Cahill soon ? Fabregas soon ? Then there are the ones here for a short ride : Pedro ; Djilobodji ; Falcao. Then there are the not good enough : Ramires ; Mikel ; Cahill ?? Fabregas ??

We are left with Courtois, Costa, Azpilicueta, Willian ? and maybe/probably Zouma (and Begovic ?) as sound foundation for the futur. The rest are big question marks : Kennedy, Traore, Baba, rcl, ...

To restructure our team will be a huge effort even without taking into account the clearing of the """anti""" Mourinho players. We have already waisted time and/or money with Lukaku, de Bruyne, Luis, Salah, Cuadrado, Schurrle (Falcao !!! and soon Pedro... and possibly Eto'o and Drogba). We also have lost good players : de Bruyne, Mata, Luiz. We lost a great deal with de Bruyne. It is important to understand that I am not discussing wheter we should have kept or not a particular player but and I am looking at the huge effort already realized. The whole clear out will be a huge and harsh task.

I am at unease with the Ferguson analogies as it seems rather anachronistic to think his situation within the current world context. It happened indeed in a different era. And there are too few — if any aside of him — example of a team keeping a manager for more than ten years while enduring bad periods and where the manager successfully won the challenges. There is maybe Wenger, but I doubt he is the sweat dream of Chelsea people.

You have also to consider that Mourinho is the one that caused the current break down. Whether it is rightly or wrongly, he's the one that brought the negativity inside the dressing room with the way people have been treated. Who's to say it won't happen with the next players ? It happened at Madrid, it happens now, it has all reasons to happen again. He is also directly the reason for which we have build upon a past-it back four and an archaic and patchwork defense (cb at rb and rb at lb ; non offensive fullbacks ; non ball players defenders); and wasting so many attacking talents.

A few weeks after being champions, we cannot manage to sign players from Everton and get the interest of star players. How will we do when we are 10-ish and out of CL football and that our manager has in his last six years C.V. : two leagues won ; two dressing-rooms destroyed ; verbal fights ; many heads flying ; negative football ; more verbal fights ; one eye poked ; a classico turned into soap opera ; DEFENSIVE DUTY ; .. and even more verbal fights. That's not wanking material. Players across the world probably don't give two shit that he is one of us. The two options the board has at his disposal are unbalanced...

[Fulham Broadway 16,924]

post what you want I can't delete your posts

No you cant. Then again I dont just randomly post "Zolayes is a troll". Probably why I'm a mod and you're not.

You always look for a personal argument, now back on topic.

[zolayes 14,489]

37 members online please read the post from Peace carefully ,, It deserves much more than a cursory glance.

[Rhino's Skin 972]

1. ChelsTransfer ‏@ChelsTransfer 2m2 minutes ago

   BT Sport footage of Mourinho and his staff was shown to a lip-reader, who believes JM said the following (via Mail)

   

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bloody lip readers....just great...ask John Terry

[BlueLyon 9,359]

Should Mou stay here long term, I literaly demand better football. Not total football, but watchable interesting balanced football. Where defenders defend; attackers attack and players play as team.

I love Mou for all he done for us, but seeing football from some other teams or ours from past and compare it to what we play for past three years under Mou (except for start of last season), I cant go by fact, how can we play so bad with all those players? Even if we get back on top, I sure hope we dont do that with more and more defensive displays. Sure those win trophies, but we go waay too defensive. Take look at barca, bayern etc. They won things but didnt park the bus in 90% of games.

Big big change of play. Not sure Mou can do that. Not sure who else can. We are in big big mess right now in football and non football releated things.

[Reddish-Blue 2,357]

To me its a total simplification, an unproven statement, and doing Mourinho a diservice in glibly stating 'he got rid'.

Most of these decisions are made by a team of several CFC staff especially Mr Emanalo. Mourinho would have some input, granted. Conversely, it is common knowledge, for instance, Jose was vehemently opposed to the selling of Cech. Who's to say he didnt feel similarly about one, or several of the players you've mentioned ?

I have to agree with the simplification. It's not like Mourinho has final say on transfers out of the club.

Also in reference to the examples used by Zolayes...KDB wanted to be a first-team player so he left, same with Bertrand, same with Lukaku.

I just wish we would sign quality players from within the EPL...rather than spending 25+ million on guys like Cuadrado, Pedro..

[zolayes 14,489]

I have to agree with the simplification. It's not like Mourinho has final say on transfers out of the club.

Also in reference to the examples used by Zolayes...KDB wanted to be a first-team player so he left, same with Bertrand, same with Lukaku.

I just wish we would sign quality players from within the EPL...rather than spending 25+ million on guys like Cuadrado, Pedro..

Is KdB worse than Cesc or Ramires ,,, is Bertrand worse than baba ,, Is Lukaku worse than Falcao ???

[Sideshow Luiz 2,310]

Should Mou stay here long term, I literaly demand better football. Not total football, but watchable interesting balanced football. Where defenders defend; attackers attack and players play as team.

I love Mou for all he done for us, but seeing football from some other teams or ours from past and compare it to what we play for past three years under Mou (except for start of last season), I cant go by fact, how can we play so bad with all those players? Even if we get back on top, I sure hope we dont do that with more and more defensive displays. Sure those win trophies, but we go waay too defensive. Take look at barca, bayern etc. They won things but didnt park the bus in 90% of games.

Big big change of play. Not sure Mou can do that. Not sure who else can. We are in big big mess right now in football and non football releated things.

I agree with this 100%. Part of the reason we are even discussing Mourinho's future is the brand of football that he plays.

Is he a great manager? Of course

Is he a Chelsea legend? Again, of course.

But, the brand of football he employs is dreadful. The only thing that makes it acceptable is the trophy haul that comes in at the end of the season. If we're going to lose, can we please see some sexy football at least?

Also, I'm not sure that Ancelotti is the answer. I think he's class and I really like him. However, his attacking football only lasted for a little over a season. The reason Torres was brought in was because we couldn't score anymore and relied on set pieces and errors (sort of like now). That's how I remember it at least, you can correct me if I'm wrong.

The reality is that this team has been in decline for a long time now. We were fortunate to win the CL, and the squad needed an overhaul. We brought in Hazard and Oscar that summer. Next season, we didn't make it out of the group stages of the CL. Mourinho has come in and given the team a shot in the arm. 2nd, then champs, but we're kind of back to where we were headed before he got here.

In consideration of that, would another manager do better? I'm not sure. The only thing I know is that I'd like to be entertained for 2 hours every Saturday. Pragmatic football was entertaining only because it put us 1 step closer to the trophy every week. Without that, I'd like to see some of our world class attacking talent show us what they've got.

[Reddish-Blue 2,357]

Is KdB worse than Cesc or Ramires ,,, is Bertrand worse than baba ,, Is Lukaku worse than Falcao ???

It's not about being worse than our current players.

if the player doesn't want to stay, what can you do?

[zolayes 14,489]

It's not about being worse than our current players.

if the player doesn't want to stay, what can you do?

ask why good players want to leave ?