Blue Armour 4,448 Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 But that's just pathetic from them, isn't it? It's like we have gone back in time and are experiencing the player power situation again, where the players decide when to turn up and when not to just so they can get the club to sack the manager. Probably the one reason I would take for not sacking the manager right now...They don't look like they have the guts to turn things if we bring on an interim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! blues.bridge 343 Posted October 3, 2015 Popular Post! Share Posted October 3, 2015 I do not understand how many still believe in mou for the stability of the club !With him , put on your head , stability if not ever reach ! because in addition to the purely sporting failure is a person of shit , he does not think twice about blaming someone , judging anybody rather than save and admit the evidence !How you want to achieve stability with a person who lives for the controversy and to destabilize ? a man who has no problem criticizing all its employees for not to take him blame ? How will you achieve " stability " under the leadership of such a person like that ? Reddish-Blue, Pseudo, MefiX19 and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddish-Blue 2,510 Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 Have to give him the rest of the season IMOI don't see the point in giving him the rest of the season...the players seem to be getting worse game after gameI really thought the Arsenal result would kick start our season, but we haven't won any games since then...and looking at our upcoming fixtures, I'm kind of worried bethos1, Muzchap and zolayes 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 off now until the next game .. tomorrow the Staff will insult us as fickle fans . I watch Toon fans walk out after 60 minutes today . Did I think they were fake fans ,, NO their team didnt trythats what Im seeing from ours as well // Reddish-Blue, 11Drogba and Irakozium257 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miki-Liki 405 Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 Mourinho is the greatest manager in the world, and if we can't achieve stability with him, then we will never achieve stability.Trying to achieve stability with Mourinho is like trying to have safe sex with a broken condom. Muzchap, Reddish-Blue and 11Drogba 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobematabryant 400 Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 I don't see the point in giving him the rest of the season...the players seem to be getting worse game after gameI really thought the Arsenal result would kick start our season, but we haven't won any games since then...and looking at our upcoming fixtures, I'm kind of worriedThere are no good managers to replace him with, if he gets sacked now. The best possible manager we could get now is Capello. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 TBH (to be honest) the players I don't particularly care for are:IvanovicMikelRamiresFalcaoRemyWilianThat is just me though.On another personal note, the type of approach to the game I like is the approach made by Arsenal from about 98-03. Win the ball, pass up the field the in three or four passes, shoot. Some of you may remember Henry stating that the moment Viera (or anyone) won the ball, they would immediately think of how they can get the ball up to an attacking player, wether it be Anelka, Henry, Pires or Ljungberg. There was no ball retention nonsense, they attacked the moment they had possession. No player takes responsibility in this team, they are passive jackasses. That is just the style I like. Kinda like how West Ham play right now (yes that bloody team). Muzchap, herzogian, nullabletype and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 Trying to achieve stability with Mourinho is like trying to have safe sex with a broken condom.types of condom ..a welsh condom .. one with a leak (leek) in ita scottish condom one with a leak but a plaster over the leakan Irish condom one with a leak and a plaster but not covering the leak.so many racist steroetypes but think of our defence in the same way ,,, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzchap 8,966 Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 TBH (to be honest) the players I don't particularly care for are:IvanovicMikelRamiresFalcaoRemyWilianThat is just me though.On another personal note, the type of approach to the game I like is the approach made by Arsenal from about 98-03. Win the ball, pass up the field the in three or four passes, shoot. Some of you may remember Henry stating that the moment Viera (or anyone) won the ball, they would immediately think of how they can get the ball up to an attacking player, wether it be Anelka, Henry, Pires or Ljungberg. There was no ball retention nonsense, they attacked the moment they had possession. No player takes responsibility in this team, they are passive jackasses. That is just the style I like. Kinda like how West Ham play right now (yes that bloody team).To be fair that was always UTD's mantra too and why I respect Ferguson so much! Never say die attitude. Spike, Reddish-Blue and bluephoenix 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilvorak 3,734 Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 TBH (to be honest) the players I don't particularly care for are:IvanovicMikelRamiresFalcaoRemyWilianThat is just me though.On another personal note, the type of approach to the game I like is the approach made by Arsenal from about 98-03. Win the ball, pass up the field the in three or four passes, shoot. Some of you may remember Henry stating that the moment Viera (or anyone) won the ball, they would immediately think of how they can get the ball up to an attacking player, wether it be Anelka, Henry, Pires or Ljungberg. There was no ball retention nonsense, they attacked the moment they had possession. No player takes responsibility in this team, they are passive jackasses. That is just the style I like. Kinda like how West Ham play right now (yes that bloody team).And that team did nothing in Europe & could never win back to back League titles. Counter attacking teams have a short shelf life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 To be fair that was always UTD's mantra too and why I respect Ferguson so much! Never say die attitude.Wenger's approach to the game changed. I think he foresaw a change in football with the 4-4-2 dying out, especially since Mourinho came in and destroyed the league. He adapted but it wasn't that successful. His team played amazing football at times but lacked the extra funds to push him teams to the limit. If the new stadium wasn't built and the funds were given to the first team, I fully believe that with the youth Wenger had, he would have built a dynasty with some of the extra players he could have brought in.Now. Chelsea is in this same boat as Wenger and Arsenal in 2004. Mourinho tactics from that time have passed and are now a relic of that era. He needs to adapt to the changing environment. Football comes in cycles, when the 4-4-2 went out, defensive tactics came in. When the defensive mindset went out, tiki-taka replaced it. Now that tiki-taka is dying a new style is coming back in. It almost seems the old 4-4-2 is coming back into vogue. LDN Blue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nullabletype 987 Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 When we win Jose takes the credit ,, when we lose its the players ,, the refs ,, the board ,, the FA and of course WOMEN not to mention climate changeWhere do you get the first bit of that statement? How often after a good result does José pat himself on the back? He always praises his squad. Even when they're shit and we can all see it he praises most of them and blames individual errors.When things are bad he loves and excuse, no doubt, but in typical fashion when he does blame himself, which he has done recently, it's ignored.I don't see the point in giving him the rest of the season...the players seem to be getting worse game after gameI really thought the Arsenal result would kick start our season, but we haven't won any games since then...and looking at our upcoming fixtures, I'm kind of worriedThere in lies the absurdity of football. The players aren't getting any better so sack the manager. That's not to say the manager is blameless but when they're on the pitch it is the players who need to play.Time and time again clubs sack managers, the new guy comes in and there is a spell of good results only for the poor form to return. Rinse and repeat. Players get away with far too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurlyHairLikeLuiz 1,625 Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 And that team did nothing in Europe & could never win back to back League titles. Counter attacking teams have a short shelf life.Wenger's approach to the game changed. I think he foresaw a change in football with the 4-4-2 dying out, especially since Mourinho came in and destroyed the league. He adapted but it wasn't that successful. His team played amazing football at times but lacked the extra funds to push him teams to the limit. If the new stadium wasn't built and the funds were given to the first team, I fully believe that with the youth Wenger had, he would have built a dynasty with some of the extra players he could have brought in.Now. Chelsea is in this same boat as Wenger and Arsenal in 2004. Mourinho tactics from that time have passed and are now a relic of that era. He needs to adapt to the changing environment. Football comes in cycles, when the 4-4-2 went out, defensive tactics came in. When the defensive mindset went out, tiki-taka replaced it. Now that tiki-taka is dying a new style is coming back in. It almost seems the old 4-4-2 is coming back into vogue. RLC-Ramires 4-4-2 confirmed.Need to get a striker good enough to play next to Costa though.I do miss that Mourinho team of 2004, though, I'll be honest. Carvalho, Terry, Maka, Joe Cole, Robben, Gudjohnsen, Essien and Ashley Cole (2005) to name a few. Surely will be remembered as one of the best teams we've ever fielded. Spike 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 Wenger's approach to the game changed. I think he foresaw a change in football with the 4-4-2 dying out, especially since Mourinho came in and destroyed the league. He adapted but it wasn't that successful. His team played amazing football at times but lacked the extra funds to push him teams to the limit. If the new stadium wasn't built and the funds were given to the first team, I fully believe that with the youth Wenger had, he would have built a dynasty with some of the extra players he could have brought in.Now. Chelsea is in this same boat as Wenger and Arsenal in 2004. Mourinho tactics from that time have passed and are now a relic of that era. He needs to adapt to the changing environment. Football comes in cycles, when the 4-4-2 went out, defensive tactics came in. When the defensive mindset went out, tiki-taka replaced it. Now that tiki-taka is dying a new style is coming back in. It almost seems the old 4-4-2 is coming back into vogue. systems change but I still believe the old cliche "Attack is the best form of Defence" Muzchap and Spike 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! Stats 7,147 Posted October 3, 2015 Popular Post! Share Posted October 3, 2015 To think of all the quality players we had who have excelled at other teams. KDB, Mata, Bertrand, Luis. Aah just so frustrating that Mourinho sold them. No other manager would have that mindset. He was so sure to declare Oscar as his no.10 and now Mourinho seems to have lost a lot of trust in him. Mata was such a fans favourite as well. KDB was considered surplus to requirements because he played bad on 2 games. All this goes on Jose. Not just the results and position we are in now that pisses me off about Jose. He has fucked our team over and done exactly what Wenger was known for. Strengthening our rivals. We had great players in our hands but let them go.Actually have lost patience with him. zolayes, Reddish-Blue, couris and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 And that team did nothing in Europe & could never win back to back League titles. Counter attacking teams have a short shelf life.They were up against an equally strong United team and Italy, Germany Spain in the 90s. United were a counter-attacking team, they won several back to back titles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! Gilvorak 3,734 Posted October 3, 2015 Popular Post! Share Posted October 3, 2015 He sold Filipe Luis, David Luiz, Lukaku, Mata, De Bruyne & refuses to play Loftus-Cheek, Baba or the horde of talented youngsters in the reserves. Claiming he has no options or the board doesn't back him is beyond laughable.While our fans were bragging about net spend and what not I always maintained it was stupid the get rid of most those players.Anyway, squad depth/quality or whatever is only 25% of the problem. We are 16th ffs not on the fringes of Top 4. It's mainly a coaching problem. AVB, Benitez, Scolari etc all the much maligned managers never had us playing like a Championship team. The table certainly doesn't lie in this instance. Peace., Azpinator, Irakozium257 and 7 others 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nullabletype 987 Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 TBH (to be honest) the players I don't particularly care for are:IvanovicMikelRamiresFalcaoRemyWilianThat is just me though.On another personal note, the type of approach to the game I like is the approach made by Arsenal from about 98-03. Win the ball, pass up the field the in three or four passes, shoot. Some of you may remember Henry stating that the moment Viera (or anyone) won the ball, they would immediately think of how they can get the ball up to an attacking player, wether it be Anelka, Henry, Pires or Ljungberg. There was no ball retention nonsense, they attacked the moment they had possession. No player takes responsibility in this team, they are passive jackasses. That is just the style I like. Kinda like how West Ham play right now (yes that bloody team).Don't necessarily agree with that list of players but the approach is exactly what I want to see. Holding the ball is useless if nobody is going to do anything. Week in week out we watch teams just pick up the ball and run at us, that's what wee need to do. Just have a go. Our turnover from defence to attack is painfully slow and just allows the opposition to casually stroll back in to shape. It's useless. Spike 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! Sir Mikel OBE 4,920 Posted October 3, 2015 Popular Post! Share Posted October 3, 2015 To think of all the quality players we had who have excelled at other teams. KDB, Mata, Bertrand, Luis. Aah just so frustrating that Mourinho sold them. No other manager would have that mindset. He was so sure to declare Oscar as his no.10 and now Mourinho seems to have lost a lot of trust in him. Mata was such a fans favourite as well. KDB was considered surplus to requirements because he played bad on 2 games. All this goes on Jose. Not just the results and position we are in now that pisses me off about Jose. He has fucked our team over and done exactly what Wenger was known for. Strengthening our rivals. We had great players in our hands but let them go.Actually have lost patience with him.Him selling them has me more upset than the results.He came here to a solid young core, and basically fucked it off to bring in shit like Cuadrado and Falcao. Muzchap, Stats, bluephoenix and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzchap 8,966 Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 Him selling them has me more upset than the results.He came here to a solid young core, and basically fucked it off to bring in shit like Cuadrado and Falcao.Yeah when you put it like that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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