The Mourinho Thread

[The Mak 4,459]

What it has essentially come down to is what others have alluded to; Mourinho put 100% of his faith in this starting 11 alone. He alienated almost every other player outside the starting 11 since 13/14 and now the chosen few are letting him down big time.

He needs to change his ways soon otherwise we will be left with a dejected starting 11 devoid of any ideas and a bench full of youth players - in fact, it actually looks like we are there already.

[J.F. 1,484]

i want RDM o ranieri at iterem, for a long time Klopp!

Klopp or even Simeone have system. That system need patience and no pressure from board and fans. Klopp isn't manager that can bring instant success, and showing how patience are our fans he isn't really for Chelsea.

"Klopp would fit perfectly to an English club that is well lead and well organised. One which has a very good board of directors.

"A club with one person reigning, like Chelsea, would not be right for him."

If we get Klopp and have bad run under him? And again there will be "Klopp out", bring Simeone or Guardiola, and shit like this. Just check what Immobile said about Klopp and his trainings, only him said that, but still, he was there...

Real life isn't Football Manager, so for a change stop saying "bye bye Mourinho" and stick with our manager, player, club, and believe that this nightmare will be gone very soon, next game against Maccabi is our first chance to gain some confidence. I hope our board isn't that stupid to fire Mourinho without resolving current problems with squad, because this will happen with every manager in the world who replace Mourinho. For me he is the best manager for Chelsea, after this bad run some people seem to forget everything what Mourinho achieved in his career and how much he loves Chelsea and most important WHAT HE ACHIEVED WITH CHELSEA, and if someone know how to deal with this pressure and shitty results that's Mourinho.

[Pizy 18,963]

Another reason we have to stick it out with him for at least the remainder of this season is the makeup of the squad. There are several players who work in a Mourinho system but probably wouldn't be fancied by other managers. A top manager may think to himself "I want to play with two attacking fullbacks, a highly mobile CM of high quality, and a pure, creative #10." We don't really have any of that. A new manager would have so much work to do to "cleanse" the Mourinho out of the side.

There's no way anyone could do that during the season. It's pointless sacking him during the season. If it happens it has to be at season's end when the new guy can scout players and make his own side.

Unless there's a Moyes-like public player revolt where the dressing room is clearly lost and the team stops playing for him he has to stay until the season is over.

[blues.bridge 343]

Klopp or even Simeone have system. That system need patience and no pressure from board and fans. Klopp isn't manager that can bring instant success, and showing how patience are our fans he isn't really for Chelsea.

if he will come, i have patieunce to wait that he makes your ideas!

we could also lose one year ( but one year have to be lost becouse there is a project) not like now! you understand?

[blues.bridge 343]

Klopp or even Simeone have system. That system need patience and no pressure from board and fans. Klopp isn't manager that can bring instant success, and showing how patience are our fans he isn't really for Chelsea.

if he will come, i have patieunce to wait that he makes your ideas!

we could also lose one year ( but one year have to be lost becouse there is a project) not like now! you understand?

[Tomo 21,751]

so basically now everyone wants jose out?

where were these guys during the wba game?

playing iva in that game was as criminal as this one.

jose has lost all my respect.

Dropping Ivanovic as much as it should happen will still do nothing to change the overall results.

The current form runs a lot deeper than one player being picked,Torres started the bulk of the games in 12/13 yet we still stayed relatively competitive.

[Azul 1,615]

Unai Emery, Klopp or Rudi Garcia would be the best candidates to replace Jose. I prefer Emery out of the 3.

[manpe 10,861]

Torres started the bulk of the games in 12/13 yet we still stayed relatively competitive.

Yes, but when you have a shit striker then you still can capture points either by drawing or having other capable players score. If you have obvious weak links in defence, you WILL concede goals and this team is not prepared to play the outscoring game. I'd rather have a Torres in attack than an Ivanovic in defence any time at the moment. We have got to start getting the basics right from the back to the front.

[didierforever 7,349]

Dropping Ivanovic as much as it should happen will still do nothing to change the overall results.

The current form runs a lot deeper than one player being picked,Torres started the bulk of the games in 12/13 yet we still stayed relatively competitive.

i dont think so tomo.

i honestly think dropping iva WILL solve a LOT of problems. how can a RB not stop crosses from coming in? 12 goals in 5 games and atleast 10 of them were directly involved by iva. how can a RB just stand 6 yards off a player and let him shoot the way iva let naismith did yesterday. goals change matches and while our attack may seem lack lustre, we always seem to be chasing a game which is never easy. and most of this chasing is down to iva.

torres did start the bulk of games and we were still competent. but the point is that a striker can miss 5 sitters and score one goal and still be the match winner. a moment's lapse from a defender changes the whole game. i dont think thats comparable. the problem currently is iva or rather jose. if he cant atleast drop iva from the team. then like i have been saying since the WBA game, he needs to leave.

[bluezola25 10]

JM is starting to believe is own hype as the new God father of the Premier league replacing SAF. The problem is SAF was ruthless, innovative, clever and never ever thought his league winning team's couldn't be improved upon.

JM decided early on that we didn't need recruitments or that we didn't needed to improve our overall play. Barca and Bayern win leagues but still improve their squads and improve or change playing styles. So why don't we? Arrogance

JM is suppose to be innovative but he's stood still so we haven't changed our formation or player profile. Every team we now play knows our players and style. We use to be a team that could mix it up playing either a long ball, short passing, physical or tactical game. Now we are so one dimensional that it's predictable and poor.

JM needs to play players in their correct positions at the back that's a foregone conclusion. He needs to have physical imposing mobile midfielders with the remit to close down and destroy the opposition creative players and get the ball to our wide players who should be hugging the touchline and not constantly cutting inside. All our play is through the middle at such a laboured pace. We need to utilise Hazards, Kenedy, Pedro or Willian's pace purely as wingers who cross the ball. Get up and down the line. Play a 4-4-2 with Costa/Falcao along side Remy who by nature is a poacher. Someone Remy/Oscar can play off in and around the box. Team Gk Begovic Def. Baba Terry Cahill Azpli WL. Hazard/Kenedy CM. Matic Ramires/Lotus WR. Pedro/Willian FWD. Costa/Falcao Remy/Oscar.

This team will get us back to basics and give us a solid foundation to work from. Allow us to play back to front quickly either direct or wide. Stop us from being exposed down the flanks.

[Blue Colored Sky 1,807]

Klopp or even Simeone have system. That system need patience and no pressure from board and fans. Klopp isn't manager that can bring instant success, and showing how patience are our fans he isn't really for Chelsea.

If we get Klopp and have bad run under him? And again there will be "Klopp out", bring Simeone or Guardiola, and shit like this. Just check what Immobile said about Klopp and his trainings, only him said that, but still, he was there...

Real life isn't Football Manager, so for a change stop saying "bye bye Mourinho" and stick with our manager, player, club, and believe that this nightmare will be gone very soon, next game against Maccabi is our first chance to gain some confidence. I hope our board isn't that stupid to fire Mourinho without resolving current problems with squad, because this will happen with every manager in the world who replace Mourinho. For me he is the best manager for Chelsea, after this bad run some people seem to forget everything what Mourinho achieved in his career and how much he loves Chelsea and most important WHAT HE ACHIEVED WITH CHELSEA, and if someone know how to deal with this pressure and shitty results that's Mourinho.

No, no, no. THE MOST important question is "Are we building something LONG-TERM" ? When we still patches things up with Mikel I'm not too sure. Maybe, or rather probably, we won't win with Klopp for the first 2 years but I'm fairly sure we will build platform for success.

I'm not on Mourinho out brigade either at least not until the end of the season but you see something build here ? Pressing ? Youth ? Identity ? No. He's yet to build something I'm afraid. He get teams over the line 2 seasons in the row, once we were close to the title, second time we won, but 2 times we did famous retreat tactic when we had to change tactic and play pragmatic, unattractive football. Therefore it looks to me like Jose is still here on short-term work, when he wants to win something and move on. I'm wrong ?

I wouldn't give up on him yet. Mourinho has to make decision(s). Remember when he benched Ashley Cole permanently after shocking displays, especially at Newcastle ? He moved Azpilicueta to the left and he has to do similar things this time with others. When we're at Azpilicueta, his switch to the left was just an emergency call, let's not kid ourself that he is the ultimate quality there.

[Blue Colored Sky 1,807]

Wow, watched Mourinho interview with BT Sports. He said that we created enough chances and that apparently Hazard missed 2 sitters (I don't remember something like this happening though). It fits well with what I wrote an hour ago that he doesn't see games in analytic way anymore. How he can say that we had any chances at all ? But you know, when we win playing ugly, but we win nonetheless, he praises players through the roof. BTW Guardiola is livid on the touchline when the players don't execute what he wants, regardless of the result.

Maybe his assistants are so deep behind him that they confirm what he sees and Mourinho thinks, since he has confirmation from others, that he sees everything in correct way.

[MihaiM24 156]

It's just me or we started fucking up after THAT "boring boring" game when Mourinho started to take everything personal and kinda stopped using the park the bus style of play (which i believe it suited us better) and started to slate the teams and managers

[Jase 43,479]

If Newcastle beat West Ham tomorrow, we'll drop into the relegation zone. #JoseOUT

[Peace. 4,352]

Those who are calling for Mourinho to get the boot are not doing so solely based on result alone but a cumulation of several things which have already being discussed many times on here. We are a sinking ship right ow and from past history and latest indication/evidence, jose seem incapable of steadying the ship. His idea of turning things around is to stick with the same starting eleven and players who are totally out of form. His tactics aren't yielding any positive results and performance either. Where is the light at the end of the tunnel? i pose that question to you and other Jose apologist. Majority have simply lost confidence in his ability to turn things around due to his stubbornness, delusional tendencies, favoritism, outdated tactics and previous history (3rd season syndrome) which are all legitimate reasons.

Exactly. Somehow I do not want him to get axed, because I dread the club to be once again in a managerial merry-go.

Even though, the time will come — probably sooner than later — when we will have to part our way with him. And to be honest, I think he just has a few games to get things right. Unlike Manchester United, we cannot afford to undergo a few dark years. We neither are a major brand nor have we that "history" to fall back upon. To stay at the top, we are heavily dependant to successful results. A year without CL football could prove to be catastrophic for us — especially if that happens after a season dotted with fiasco such as what happened with Carneiro, i.e. a very bad publicity for the club. Moreover, comes May, Manchester City will most certainly have as many PL trophies in their cabinet as us... Just let that sink in... Our rank within English football could take a huge damage...

We clearly have to make things happen — and quickly. However all the odds are against Mourinho here. First off, his past history advocates against him : his first stint at this club, and his spell at Real... and as for Inter one could say he left the ship before it sank. Furthermore, our troubles are not new. They are visible since the start of the calendar year — and I put emphasis upon the notion "visible", as they existed long before that. Though, nothing has been done last season ; the situation was not addressed this summer, quite the contrary ; and nothing is being done to change things right now, i.e. same line-up and mentality/tactics over and over again.

Bearing that in mind, one could certainly wonder is the right manager for the futur. And by that I mean both the end of the seasons and forthcoming seasons. Whether you like it or not, his position at the club has to be questionned. Regardless of the results, if he is not even able to change his intents, whether it be the strategy, the style of play, the tactic or the starting line-up... Then he does not left the club with many choices but to sack him...

[Stats 7,147]

To play the kind of football we aspire to play, we need better fullbacks and more technical fullbacks à la Filipe Luis. Azpilicueta and Ivanovic ain't good enough for that kind of play. Anyone who saw United - Liverpool yesterday witnessed how Shaw and Darmian completely bossed the game. Our fullbacks do not play like that.

I hope Baba is given some real chances soon but still I can't get my head around the selling of Luis. A huge mistake not to play him and then selling him away because of it. Selling Bertrand is another mistake which should have not happened considering the lack of academy products in the squad. With an attacking minded coach Bertrand could have reached new highs if he was given a real chance to play with Hazard, Matic and the co.

This. The lack of an offensive threat our FB give us is a joke. Azpi has done well in the LB position but really for a top club wanting to compete for the UCL and keep on being a formidable domestic team, we really should be having natural full backs in the RB and LB position. Ivanovic is not a natural RB. Azpi is a right footed RB playing at LB. Everyone goes on about how good of a defensive player he is. Yeah, he is but then what does he give us going forward for majority of season? Not much. I was looking at the Arsenal highlights yesterday and the amount of times Monreal and Bellerin in particular provided natural attacking width was just amazing. They were excellently defensively too. Then you just see what Kolarov and Sagna have been providing City this season. United's game against Liverpool, how many times did Shaw and Darmian get down those flanks as you said. Also, both had excellent defensive games.

Having Ivanovic and Azpi as FB should be a short term solution. Not a long term one. When Azpi first started taking over Cole's role there I thought it would be temporary until we get a natural LB. We get Luis and Azpi still keeps playign at LB when Luis is a quality LB. Then we sell him for what? Absolutely ridiculous. Just why did Mourinho buy him to barely play him then get rid off? It is why I was so pissed off to see Bertrand leave. A natural attacking LB who is defensively sound and is from our academy and we let him go. Then to top it off, Shaw who is a fantastic LB when fit and will turn out to be one of the world's best went to United and he is a Chelsea fan. Someone like that should be in our team. Not a right footed player at LB ffs.

It worked for us in the league last season but seriously the lack of attacking width from our FB is not only setting us back in the league, it will set us back in the longer stretch in Europe. Teams are figuring us out. They know our offensive play from CB to FB are poor so we give to Hazard to work magic. Literally one-dimensional.

[Tomo 21,751]

i dont think so tomo.

i honestly think dropping iva WILL solve a LOT of problems. how can a RB not stop crosses from coming in? 12 goals in 5 games and atleast 10 of them were directly involved by iva. how can a RB just stand 6 yards off a player and let him shoot the way iva let naismith did yesterday. goals change matches and while our attack may seem lack lustre, we always seem to be chasing a game which is never easy. and most of this chasing is down to iva.

torres did start the bulk of games and we were still competent. but the point is that a striker can miss 5 sitters and score one goal and still be the match winner. a moment's lapse from a defender changes the whole game. i dont think thats comparable. the problem currently is iva or rather jose. if he cant atleast drop iva from the team. then like i have been saying since the WBA game, he needs to leave.

Honestly I believe dropping Iva will improve our defence, with the way he's playing it would be hard not too , but it would only take us so far.

We wouldn't concede 12 goals in 5 games if the other three in the defence were on point, no matter how bad Iva was playing, Terry and Cahill have been average at best, awful at worse, Zouma has been showing inexperience lately and even Cesar is starting to lose 1 on 1 battles which is unheard off, dropping Iva will be a start,but we got a lotof work to do on this back four.

And about Torres (manpe this is my response to you aswell so you don't think I'm ignoring you) he was holding us back loads, he was useless unless he scored and that was once in 5 and a half games, a 33 year old Eto'o was a breath of fresh air in comparison.

[11Drogba 2,000]

I want Mourinho to stay till the end of the season. Klopp and any other top manager would think that we did not give him enough time if we sack him before May. With every sacking it gets harder to convince managers to come here.

[BlueLion. 21,491]

why are we on a bad run? is it because we had a couple of bad calls from ref?

or is it because our whole squad has been out of form?

or is it because we are integrating youth into the team who need time?

or is it simply because jose has simply persisted with iva and cesc time after time after time?

you give me one decent reason why iva should have started wba or palace or yesterday, and i will admit i am a fickle bastard.

wba - after getting raped by city. and goals which were straight forward his faults. he still started. we had bought baba. was it too early to play him? maybe. what about zouma? why not azpi-gc-jt-zouma. he did give zouma some appearances as a LB in pre-season right? our left back is anyways supposed to be a defensive position, then why not?

palace - everyone on here knew iva will get murdered against the likes of zaha/bolasie. why was he started. 2 weeks since baba had joined still not ready? so we paid 21mil pounds for a player who could not even fill in when we were having a defensive crisis? still does not matter. play aina if need be. why did iva start?

everton - seriously? baba plays for ghana and now is surprisingly "injured" or "not ready".

people might be fickle but atleast we have the best for chelsea's at heart, which is not something i can say for jose as of this moment.

and when we are on this, give me a reason why falcao plays every match but remy has not got a minute. or costa continues or cesc contiues.

Don't mistake me for one of the people who thinks the sun shines out of Mourinho's arse.

But blaming him when the players are performing absolutely abysmally is ridiculous, in my opinion.

I'm just amazed there are people on here who want him to leave.

[Bacika 188]

If we don't make top4 (CL) he'll be sacked...