The Mourinho Thread

[MrExcalibur100 7,124]

What the fuck?

Just a response to your ridiculous comment about City and lack of "consistency". City have not lost two back-to-back games for over two years. Chelsea, a team in transition were on a 14 match unbeaten run in the league before that bastard, Chris Foy did us at Villa park. The longest unbeaten run this season. If that's not consistency, I don't know what is.

[Fernando 6,743]

Just a response to your ridiculous comment about City and lack of "consistency". City have not lost two back-to-back games for over two years. Chelsea, a team in transition were on a 14 match unbeaten run in the league before that bastard, Chris Foy did us at Villa park. The longest unbeaten run this season. If that's not consistency, I don't know what is.

Well we lack consistency.

The only ridiculous one here is you!

Why because I'm not saying anything new, Mourinho himself said it as well!!!

"You have Ivanovic, Terry, Cahill and Azpilicueta and they perform in the sun, in the rain, small pitches, big pitches, aggressive teams, non-aggressive teams and they perform every game from day one to the last day. And you have other players who are fantastic in some matches and disappear in other matches."

Get it? NO CONSISTENCY!!!

[MrExcalibur100 7,124]

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Would they be an improvement on what we currently have? Absolutely. Would we win the league with them and our current style of play? I heavily doubt it. I remember Sky Sports, earlier this year, showing statistics on the conversion rates of the best players in the world. The highest at that time was Diego Costa who had a rate of around 30%. Now if you think about the number of chanches we create per game it is unlikely such strikers would be scoring readily enough to win the league. And in my opinion the main cause of us not creating enough chances is the lack of creativity and goal threat from the attacking midfielders as well as the lack of proper width and offensive threat from the full backs - things which I don't think Mourinho is necessarily looking to remedy for next season, hence my initial point.

Suarez would fit like a glove into our style of play. Lack of creativity? Hazard alone has created more chances than any other player in Europe. How many chances did we create against Everton, Stoke (in the league and Cup), Steaua at the Bridge, Swansea......... I can go on and on. How many times has Torres missed sitters this season? I can go on and on. How many times has Torres put in anonymous performances home and away this season? I can go on and on.

Our main and only problem is the CF position. Eto'o is fantastic, but he is too old to be the difference and a consistent match-winner. Ba is not rated by the manager. Mourinho rarely uses him. Torres is THE cancer in this team. We are never going to win any important trophy if Torres plays a prominent part. And, NO, the Europa league does not count because of the quality of opposition.

[The Chels 2,502]

"You have Ivanovic, Terry, Cahill and Azpilicueta and they perform in the sun, in the rain, small pitches, big pitches, aggressive teams, non-aggressive teams and they perform every game from day one to the last day. And you have other players who are fantastic in some matches and disappear in other matches."

Mourinho's definitely right about Ivanovic being consistent - consistently refusing to close down the winger/full back and thereby allowing in crosses from which we've conceded several times this season, consistently crossing the ball beyond everyone in the box and out for an opposition throw-in, and ingeniously deciding to take long range efforts whenever we desperately need a goal. We witnessed the latter both yesterday and against West Brom away. If he thinks Ivanovic is always "fantastic" well then I'm not sure if he's actually noticing these things.

[MrExcalibur100 7,124]

Well we lack consistency.

The only ridiculous one here is you!

Why because I'm not saying anything new, Mourinho himself said it as well!!!

"You have Ivanovic, Terry, Cahill and Azpilicueta and they perform in the sun, in the rain, small pitches, big pitches, aggressive teams, non-aggressive teams and they perform every game from day one to the last day. And you have other players who are fantastic in some matches and disappear in other matches."

Get it? NO CONSISTENCY!!!

We have been consistent in terms of results. What you mean't to say (and what Jose meant) was individual players lack consistency. Players like Schurrle and Willian are not very consistent, though they are still new to the league.

That's not what you meant though, with you ridiculous example of Man City, FA cup. Maybe you don't know the meaning of the word. Man United have been inconsistent this season, not Chelsea.

And I even bother responding to you because you are always moaning and crying when things go wrong, like a gloryhunter. That's why I suggested you go support Bayern, because they have the luxury of smashing Bundesliga teams by 4,5 and 6 and they won their league by 20+ points. You would have little to moan about if you supported them.

[MrExcalibur100 7,124]

Mourinho's definitely right about Ivanovic being consistent - consistently refusing to close down the winger/full back and thereby allowing in crosses from which we've conceded several times this season, consistently crossing the ball beyond everyone in the box and out for an opposition throw-in, and ingeniously deciding to take long range efforts whenever we desperately need a goal. We witnessed the latter both yesterday and against West Brom away. If he thinks Ivanovic is always "fantastic" well then I'm not sure if he's actually noticing these things.

Wow, people even having a go at Brana. I think I'll come back to this thread after our next win. Then I'm sure perspective and reason will return.

[Fernando 6,743]

We have been consistent in terms of results. What you mean't to say (and what Jose meant) was individual players lack consistency. Players like Schurrle and Willian are not very consistent, though they are still new to the league.

That's not what you meant though, with you ridiculous example of Man City, FA cup. Maybe you don't know the meaning of the word. Man United have been inconsistent this season, not Chelsea.

And I even bother responding to you because you are always moaning and crying when things go wrong, like a gloryhunter. That's why I suggested you go support Bayern, because they have the luxury of smashing Bundesliga teams by 4,5 and 6 and they won their league by 20+ points. You would have little to moan about if you supported them.

I still say what the fuck?

I'm lost with you because consistency is consistency.

One game a lone does not make or break.

If that's the case then shit, saf is a total loser for letting his team lose by 6 goals to city.....

[The Chels 2,502]

Wow, people even having a go at Brana. I think I'll come back to this thread after our next win. Then I'm sure perspective and reason will return.

'even'? You do realise Ivanovic is and has been absolutely tosh against teams who hand us the initiative? Perhaps if he were defensively solid then his offensive impotence would be less criticised but he's not. In fact he's been a liability when the going gets tough and in terms of how often we concede from the opposition having the ball on his wing. We saw it yesterday, we saw it against West Brom (home and away), we saw it against Newcastle away, we've seen it on countless occasions and no doubt we'll continue to do so.

[Jase 43,479]

Mourinho on our strikers and other players..

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/chelsea-transfers-torres-etoo-ba-3302263

"I don't think it's the moment to speak about next season and the market, but it's clear to everybody that Chelsea next year wants to bring a striker. That is clear. It's also clear we want to improve our players."

Atletico Madrid's Diego Costa is the prime target, with the Blues reluctant to pay over the odds for Monaco's Radamel Falcao or Edinson Cavani of PSG, although Bayern Munich's Mario Mandzukic is also on the list.

Mourinho added: "What's the future for the [current Chelsea] strikers? The ones that are staying are competing with the striker we are bringing.

"And normally at the end of the season, players that are not playing a lot or players who are not happy and prefer a change, that is also part of the market.

"We want to improve the team and the players and make some surgical movements in the transfer window."

[Jase 43,479]

Mourinho vows to get rid of Chelsea players without 'personality'... warning misfiring strikers they can fight or leave

[didierforever 7,349]

Not playong = BA.

NOT happy = torres.

YESSSSS!!!! SELL THEM!!!

[Vybz Kartel 1,613]

Hope tht warning extends to untouchables like Ivanovic, Ramires and Oscar

[iseah100 5,612]

Hope tht warning extends to untouchables like Ivanovic, Ramires and Oscar

If PSG offer £42 for Oscar, I say take it. ivanovic is invaluable and should not go anywhere. Ramires isnt going anywhere eithet

[The Skipper 20,609]

The movement from the striker yesterday wasn't good enough, but that's been the case with Torres for years now? The idea that there's no pattern to our attacking play is simply wrong though.

I fully acknowledge that but it still doesn't change the fact that our biggest problem is creating quality chances against smaller teams. Yes, a competent striker would've helped us a lot but at the same time, when you select a midfield three of Luiz, Matic and Lampard and set up the team with a more conservative look you're going to struggle. A conservative look in games like these are not needed at all, you need to take the game to the opponent instead of being passive about it. I would've started Matic and Lampard in the pivot (which he has done in previous games against smaller sides, and we have performed a lot better in those games) whilst playing a proper number 10 in Willian or Oscar to give us more impetus in the final third. Lampard has never been good in a number 10 role because he naturally makes the shape of the team go into a 4-3-3.

It's not like this is a one off game either, it's happened a lot against the smaller teams this season - and one of the biggest reasons is that Mourinho is too conservative in his look and gives the opponent too much respect. His refusal to play A. Cole and Azpi as our fullbacks in order to spread the play more with overlaps in order to create more runs and spaces for our more forward players is a big reason why we struggle to create quality chances against these sides. Hopefully he has acknowledged that, and hopefully he fixes it next season by bringing in the right players, but as of right now, there are certain players and certain methods of play he's not fully utilising.

I never said we don't have a pattern to our attacking play... What I did say is that we don't have a pattern to our attacking play against teams that sit deep. We rely too much on the individual brilliance of Hazard in these games but you've got to set up your team better in these games so we can fully utilise the attacking potent of players like Oscar, Hazard, Willian (who has been under utilised going forward IMO) and Schurrle.

Like I've said all season, I admire most of the work Mourinho has done this season but my biggest (and only) gripe with him is the way he sets us up against the smaller teams, especially away from home. He has got to be more adventurous in these games.

[Reddish-Blue 2,701]

Mourinho vows to get rid of Chelsea players without 'personality'... warning misfiring strikers they can fight or leave

If the article is reliable....that is great news for Chelsea.

As long as Torres & Mikel leave and we sign a striker and a DLP...I'll be more than happy :blue scalf:

[Shane 2,275]

In fairness to Ivanovic, he has turned in some world class displays in his time and the club and is solid defensively, just awful going forward. If we had Azpi on the right, Shaw on the left and hopefully Diego Costa next season. Diego Costa is banging in some vital goals for Atletico this season, especially in the title race, exactly the sort of player that if we have, we'd be winning the league by 6 or 7 points.

[Strike 7,853]

I was specifically talking about the number of chances...The quality of our chances was poor due to bad decision making on the counter, which was what I was trying to imply in post..;

Crystal palace 1 goal from 14 attempts, and Chelsea 0 from 21 attempts

EDIT: Story of our season, against bottom half/relegation teams

yeah. fair enough. most of the 21 attempts were either long shots or chances created through setpieces. need to find a way to break down teams

[Muzchap 8,966]

I have said from the start that I don't mind if we win the title or not but if we isolate this game on it's own, some blame has to go to Mou for the way we set up our team. You have to expect this sort of performance when there is still no patterns in our attacking play against teams that sit deep against you, it's always been my only problem with Mourinho's approach especially against the smaller teams.

You can't keep relying on the individual brilliance of Hazard to bail you out in these sort of games.

I normally agree with you mate - but you are asking for the impossible here

Our team was shipping in goals faster than Spuds last few seasons. Jose has addressed this - knowing we don't have a quality strikeforce.

To return to open football - will likely see us get the pastings that Spuds have.

We can't have everything at the moment and losing by the odd goal in a game we should have won is fine by me - knowing the limitations that we have. 20+ attempts on target and NO GOAL - is that really Jose's fault? Seriously?

If we had of created 2 or 3 chances - sure I could levy some blame at the manager.

But 20+ chances is a lot not to convert even 1 of them!

We have to be realistic.

1st season back for Mourinho - we are challenging in the league and in Europe (CL not Micky mouse stuff) - if we can't be happy with that progress then it's a sad day.

We are a Ferrari body with the engine out of a 1.1 Fiat - looks good, but does fuck all when it counts. This will be rectified in the summer - of that I have absolute faith

[bushman 2,043]

There is no doubt in my mind Jose is the best tactician in the UK. When I look back at the games Chelsea had lost, it has been the defensive, bunkered, counterattacking teams who have hurt Chelsea the most. In other words Chelsea worst failures, has been against minnows. After all these years, Jose has not learned to solve these types of teams.

I bet, on Wednesday, offensive minded PSG will be surprised by Jose.

[Jase 43,479]

Pellegrini's message to Mourinho: 'Intelligent bosses don't play mind games'