The Mourinho Thread

[Styles 9,790]

But is he wrong though? It might harsh but it's certainly true. Beyond Terry, how many of them actually care playing for the club, for the fans? Heck, how many actually even care to play for their pride and personal ambition? Compare the players and leaders we had in the previous squad to the one we have now. So many look like they can't be bothered to play these days.

This whole caring thing is so arbitrary. How do you gauge levels of care? I respect the players, I believe every single one of them is professional and does their job to the best of their ability.

It no surprise that the fraud boils everything down to something so arbitrary. This is the way he thinks.

[Fulham Broadway 17,810]

But is he wrong? Yes, Mourinho has his faults and deserved to be criticized for them. People can hate him for all they want but one thing people can't deny is that he's emotionally attached to the club. How many players out there we can say feel the same way for the club, for us fans? Never mind Mourinho, how many feels the same as Terry does for us all? You can practically count on one hand the number of players who have actually shown the willingness to dig and fight for a result. And on the larger point, how many of them are even playing for their personal ambition and pride? Even when the likes of Lampard, Drogba etc had issues with managers and didn't like them in the past, they still showed the desire, commitment for the club. Can we say the same for the current group of players? It's like they all can't be bothered anymore and are just trying to get the manager sacked. If that's how they are going to behave, then this won't be like the last time we see our players dictate the manager's fate at the club.

I was working tonight on a property. They each earned tonight enough to buy a nice detached house, all multimillionaires, yet couldnt be bothered to applaud the fans that travelled all that way. Half arent fit to wear the shirt and can fuck the fuck off if they keep that attitude up.

[Vybz Kartel 1,613]

Chat shit get banged

[Jase 43,479]

This whole caring thing is so arbitrary. How do you gauge levels of care? I respect the players, I believe every single one of them is professional and does their job to the best of their ability.

It no surprise that the fraud boils everything down to something so arbitrary. This is the way he thinks.

How is it even arbitrary when their performances week in week out say that they aren't playing to their best of abilities or even reach the minimum standard set. You can't say the players have done their jobs well this season and that you have not criticized the players.

Hummm, if I remeber Lampard and Drogba have been accused in the past of being just trying to get the manager sacked. Love is important but won't make you win matches, Terry has been an awful CB this season.

Like I said, they all had issues with the managers and didn't like them but they still showed the desire to win games, to win trophies. They are still at least winning things for themselves and the club. Are the players now even doing that?

What Mourinho wanted with that quote was just try to change the focus from his terrible job this season to "lack of passion and commitment from players"

I'm not trying to defend Mourinho here but if we aren't even going to give some thought to some of the things he's said (like the ones tonight) and are just going to blame him everything, then what's the point of even debating? People are so caught with everything bad about him that they're just keep on criticizing him even if the things he's said are valid.

[Jase 43,479]

There is only four players in this squad with a true winners mentality.

One has just got back from injury, one is in his twilight years, one is having trouble adapting to the league but is getting better lately and one is in the worst form of his career.

Courtois, Terry, Pedro and err, Azpi/Hazard?

[DYC. 7,542]

Apart from the Board

Who signed Djilobodji? Who signed Hector? Who signed players like Luis, Salah, Cuadrado etc, only to find out they don't suit the team or whatever after a year? These people never lose their jobs.

Matic, Cesc and Diego were initially praised but aren't good enough anymore. Pedro was signed, praised heavily and is now in and out of the team. Baba was signed but not trusted. Oscar was the future but now he is 'crap'. Cahill is 'better' than David Luiz but now needs replacement. Remy isn't good enough to be trusted. Mikel is only good enough to come on as a late sub. Ramires is only the answer when the team is in terrible shape but becomes one of the problems after one or two games because his limitations always become apparent. Terry and Ivanovic are the leaders but past their prime?

KDB, Mata, Lukaku, David Luiz, Schurrle are sold but their replacements are worse or not better.

That's a lot of mistakes.

Or maybe they are better then appear to be right now? Maybe someone else needs to be in charge of signings? Maybe Chelsea needs a new board?

[zolayes 14,489]

Courtois, Terry, Pedro and err, Azpi/Hazard?

REMY? play him and he scores goals ,, doesnt that count ?

[Hybrid Angel 2,130]

Our players weren't the best today but the talk of them not trying today is nonsense. It was the lack of attacking football ideas that cost us the three points today, nothing more.

[petre.ispirescu 4,928]

I'm mad as fuck and I feel like crying, but I said it after the Porto game - that win means nothing if Monday morning we draw Paris and then go to Leicester and get battered. We had one last chance to Champions League football next season and we fucking blew it. Just to play two more matches in Champions League and look like Bury in disguise against Paris SG who will beat the shit out of us.

That Porto game was a massive smoke screen and we've won it because they were shit and their manager messed up his tactics big time. Five days later we go to Leicester and look like idiots. We only try to score when we're behind on the scoresheet. Football this days is about full-backs bombing forwards, defenders keeping a high line, midfielders playing close to the opponents box, press high up the pitch etc. We have none of that, we're absolutely dreadful, 19th century football, no matter what team we're playing Mourinho always likes to play the underdog card and wait for others to slip before he strikes. A team of this calibre should ditch this mentality and start living to its reputation.

We're a worldwide superpower, we must play the same football as Barcelona, Bayern Munchen, Real Madrid and that's attacking football. No more defensive tactics, no more excuses, no more away games at United and Liverpool when we're going there to defend the 0-0 and have 1 shot like we'd be fucking Aston Villa. I'm sick of it, I'm absolutely sick of watching mid table teams going to places like the Etihad and Old Trafford and scoring and missing lots of other chances, while we're ALWAYS going to places like that looking for a draw and trying to defend the whole game.

And what's worst and others have mentioned it, too - this situation right now, this will take years to be fixed. Jose Mourinho will leave Chelsea FC in a big mess. His outdated tactics does not even compare to the situation he has brought us in. Ugly football, unhappy and overrated players, no Champions League football etc. What a laughing stock we've become in the space of half an year.

[Pseudo 92]

You can talk about modern day fans for all you want but at the end of the day, ask any fan out there and he or she will tell that the least they want to see week in week out is commitment, desire.

And the players aren't doing that? Hazard puts his body on the line every time he has the ball at his feet poor guy has been carrying our offense getting hacked. I see Willian running too and fro every game. You got Matic out there doing the job of two men and we're one point off relegation regardless.

If their heads begin to drop you can't blame them. They've never been in this position before.

The team full of fighters that you speak so highly of turned on AVB the moment they faced real adversity. What do you think they would do you think they would do to Jose right now? This is far worse than anything they faced.

[Fulham Broadway 17,810]

This forum wouldnt be in such a negative state had Costa not missed 7 one on ones with the keeper in the last three matches alone.

[zolayes 14,489]

And the players aren't doing that? Hazard puts his body on the line every time he has the ball at his feet poor guy has been carrying our offense getting hacked. I see Willian running too and fro every game. You got Matic out there doing the job of two men and we're one point off relegation regardless.

If their heads begin to drop you can't blame them. They've never been in this position before.

The team full of fighters that you speak so highly of turned on AVB the moment they faced real adversity. What do you think they would do you think they would do to Jose right now? This is far worse than anything they faced.

TOP post regarding Hazard and Willian ,, trouble is Hazard is in the same situation as Robben was , Stay in the PL and get your career cut short .. For his sake he

needs a move to the continent , Willian is perfect for the PL

[Blue-in-me-Veins 4,067]

You think the City or PSG players care about the fans or the club or whatever? No they don't but they'd still put five past us because they play better football

Running three times as fast and having 'heart' can't overcome shit tactics.

I agree with what you've said in totality..

However, when a team of the stature of Chelsea goes through horrible stretches of form, these said players that cost us tens of millions of pounds and are on high wages, you can't just sit back and chalk up all of this season's trouble to tactics. Like yes, JM should be fired, not even trying to exonerate him. But there's a standard that has to be expected. How do tactics explain Costa/Fabregas/Hazard all showing up over-weight at the beginning of the season? Our previous teams, even when they went through tough periods always knew how grind out results in spite of the many managers that we've fired under the Roman era. Heck, at one point, the main leaders of the team purposefully got a manager fired and delivered a UCL trophy on the back of it.

Even as Rafa Benitez struggles mightily at Real Madrid, do you not expect them to still finish Top 3? Those players are good enough (and in our case, "should" be) good enough to still win games "on their own" so to speak. We've seen it happen in the past at Chelsea, unfortunately, this group of players can't overcome such impediments.

Overall, JM's failure as a manager has made this situation exponentially worse than it should have been under a competent manager. Even if we were going to struggle this season under. Struggling should have comprised of being 8/9th at worst, not being in a relegation battle, imo.

[Styles 9,790]

"One of my best qualities is to read the game for my players; to read the opponent and identify every detail about the opponent..."

No wonder we play such shit football.

He overloads the players with so much information about the opposition that the players turn into shells of themselves.

His biggest quality is telling players "Drop 20 yards deeper / I need 2 players to double up on Mahrez"

Complete and utter coward; shit on a stick football is here to stay.

[Reddish-Blue 2,701]

Courtois, Terry, Pedro and err, Azpi/Hazard?

That last one is seriously confusing.

It could be Courtois, Terry, Pedro and Hazard/Azpi/Costa..

[DDA 10,284]

I 100% agree with Jose though. He really did bring this sack of shit squad to a level way beond what they should be. That's why it seems so drasticly bad in how they are playing now.

[Essien19 1,415]

Last page

Don't read it or just laugh at it @Henrique, @Killer, @Rmpr and others, it's just "a book without any valid points and full of weird arguments",

my time has come to an end, my last page on here, don't worry!

I'm fed up by this bullies, don't need that in my free time anymore.

About the game:

It was a very bad game, we didn't stand a chance in the first half. No shots on goal and no play whatsoever.

Second half was slightly better, some chances were there for the taking (for example Ivanovic or Remy) but it shouldn't happen.

Maybe Jose Mourinho's time at Chelsea will end within the next hours. Everyone is entitled to have their own opinion about that.

We were that bad, no fuckin' clue. Some people had been sacked for less. I expected a win, how wrong could i be?!

Au revoir:

What i can't stand is calling a member of "our" team cunt or worse, lack of respect and manners. But most of the members don't give a fuck.

Some members have fun taking sentences out of context and laughing at a very sad fellow Blue.

Schadenfreude is already on a new level, sky-high i might say, it's a big fun laughing other members down.

Best thing to do is writing an one-liner about how much you want some people out of the club. Put in as much disrespect as you can!

Some people don't want to have a discussion; if you don't comply, you missed the point, explaining it properly is just beneath their dignity.

I started to be more active in the summer, back then it seemed like a special place where some guys could share a beer. D.O.P.E

Well, that has changed over the last months, the atmosphere is getting more and more toxic, just nasty.

Thanks @stroey, @Johnny, @blue_fox, @Barbara, @stats, @CMS, @iceboy, @DYC, @Fulham_Broadway, @supporter for some good debates.

Wish you guys all the best for the future.

expect Rhino skin on here tomorr ,, and essien but even Tomo has realised Jose is a busted flush ,, Oh perhaps Barbara will be here calling us all moaners who should be banned

We had some good discussions, but this isn't okay. You're better than is. Take a look at Muzchap.

Didierforever is as aggressive as you are, at least he has manners.

In the future you can discredit our people as much as you like, i'm done, therefore quoting is useless.

Heartbroken and crying in the corner, but this decision is taken.

I should have done it some days ago, but after some nice messages i reconsidered. But it's hopeless.

Feel free to delete my account, @ModTeam.

Goodbye!

[nullabletype 987]

I'm still behind José for a number of reasons.

His critics on here say he doesn't/can't coach offensive football. The first half of last season we were revered as an excellent attacking side so it's clear he can do it.

To me, it's clear from his post match interview that he expects a certain level of intensity and tactical nous that he feels his players aren't delivering on. I don't think many will disagree with that - we complain about it regularly.

He suggested tonight that perhaps he took the squad to the next level last season, winning us the league. I agree. How many of these players, even during the first half of last season, would force their way in to other top European clubs?

The players, in my opinion, don't look remotely interested.

The recruitment this season has been gash.

Finally, Mourinho has a proven history of winning whilst half of this squad look like passengers.

Given his comments tonight I would like to see him throw a few kids on going forward. If he really believes these guys aren't doing as they're told then it will do no harm to give the youth a go. They'd be full of enthusiasm, which sure, might not win games, but it would be a whole lot easier to swallow

[DYC. 7,542]

I agree with what you've said in totality..

However, when a team of the stature of Chelsea goes through horrible stretches of form, these said players that cost us tens of millions of pounds and are on high wages, you can't just sit back and chalk up all of this season's trouble to tactics. Like yes, JM should be fired, not even trying to exonerate him. But there's a standard that has to be expected. How do tactics explain Costa/Fabregas/Hazard all showing up over-weight at the beginning of the season? Our previous teams, even when they went through tough periods always knew how grind out results in spite of the many managers that we've fired under the Roman era. Heck, at one point, the main leaders of the team purposefully got a manager fired and delivered a UCL trophy on the back of it.

Even as Rafa Benitez struggles mightily at Real Madrid, do you not expect them to still finish Top 3? Those players are good enough (and in our case, "should" be) good enough to still win games "on their own" so to speak. We've seen it happen in the past at Chelsea, unfortunately, this group of players can't overcome such impediments.

Overall, JM's failure as a manager has made this situation exponentially worse than it should have been under a competent manager. Even if we were going to struggle this season under. Struggling should have comprised of being 8/9th at worst, not being in a relegation battle, imo.

Not saying that it is but what if the job those managers did was simply never as bad as we are currently seeing under Mourinho in 15/16? Is that possible?

[Jase 43,479]

And the players aren't doing that? Hazard puts his body on the line every time he has the ball at his feet poor guy has been carrying our offense getting hacked. I see Willian running too and fro every game. You got Matic out there doing the job of two men and we're one point off relegation regardless.

Says a lot when you could only name 3 players. Wouldn't even put Matic in that bracket because taking aside the "he's gotta do the job of two players" notion, his performances have been nowhere near the standard he set in the last 1 1/2 years.

If their heads begin to drop you can't blame them. They've never been in this position before.

That is true but the thing is, we're talking about experienced players here, players who have won things. The least you'll expect them to show, especially at the current moment, is competency but they aren't showing that.

The team full of fighters that you speak so highly of turned on AVB the moment they faced real adversity. What do you think they would do you think they would do to Jose right now? This is far worse than anything they faced.

I'll just quote what I said to Henrique...

Like I said, they all had issues with the managers and didn't like them but they still showed the desire to win games, to win trophies. They are still at least winning things for themselves and the club. Are the players now even doing that?