Chelsea Transfers

[OneMoSalah 8,917]

Just now, DH1988 said:

Disagree regarding Varane, I personally think he’s going to be found out in the premiership. Does he have the attributes to acclimate? Of course, still think he should have stayed put.

Kounde, totally agree, I don’t see the hype, bang average and I can’t believe we’ve started our transfer business there, aside from a possible keeper.

Found out? I can’t see it. At his age, where he was before also, he is certainly far too good to get found out. And even then bar the fact he maybe isn’t as physical as a van Dijk or a Dias, he’s every bit as good as most top top CBs these days and still in the top however many.

Can do basically everything and he has pace that Maguire doesn’t so in all likelihood its a potentially very good partnership for United. I think its also a big mistake from us not making a serious move for that price. He’s probably better than most or dare I say it, all options out there in that price range at present.

I think people are thinking Madrid’s downfall or France’s games at the Euros means he is all of a sudden a bad player when in fact he has grown into and been one of the best central defenders around for the best part of 8 or 9 years.

1 minute ago, NikkiCFC said:

That game happened this season? Then why Pep wanted him before Ruben Dias year ago?

I mean surely if he wanted him that bad he would of signed him? Not like moneys ever been an issue for City for recruiting defenders is it? Or that Pep rarely gets what he wants at all at City? For CBs, Stones cost 47.5m in summer 2016, Laporte cost 57m in January 2018, Dias cost 61m in 2020 and Ake cost 41m that same summer too. Throw in the money they paid for Mendy, Walker, Cancelo as well then 2 GKs too so one would think that surely if he wanted him, they’d have bought him, no? Considering they’d spent 100+ mil on 2 CBs in that summer its not exactly like they were short of the funds to meet his release clause/asking price at any point. And if Nathan Ake is seen as a better signing than Jules Kounde then we should really be questioning if he is the right signing.

Clubs get linked to hundreds of players by the media, it doesn’t necessarily mean its true.

[Tomo 21,751]

30 minutes ago, DH1988 said:

Kounde, totally agree, I don’t see the hype, bang average and I can’t believe we’ve started our transfer business there, aside from a possible keeper.

While i agree there's question marks over his suitability to the PL calling him bang average is just wrong on many levels.

[NikkiCFC 8,400]

36 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

Found out? I can’t see it. At his age, where he was before also, he is certainly far too good to get found out. And even then bar the fact he maybe isn’t as physical as a van Dijk or a Dias, he’s every bit as good as most top top CBs these days and still in the top however many.

Can do basically everything and he has pace that Maguire doesn’t so in all likelihood its a potentially very good partnership for United. I think its also a big mistake from us not making a serious move for that price. He’s probably better than most or dare I say it, all options out there in that price range at present.

I think people are thinking Madrid’s downfall or France’s games at the Euros means he is all of a sudden a bad player when in fact he has grown into and been one of the best central defenders around for the best part of 8 or 9 years.

I mean surely if he wanted him that bad he would of signed him? Not like moneys ever been an issue for City for recruiting defenders is it? Or that Pep rarely gets what he wants at all at City? For CBs, Stones cost 47.5m in summer 2016, Laporte cost 57m in January 2018, Dias cost 61m in 2020 and Ake cost 41m that same summer too. Throw in the money they paid for Mendy, Walker, Cancelo as well then 2 GKs too so one would think that surely if he wanted him, they’d have bought him, no? Considering they’d spent 100+ mil on 2 CBs in that summer its not exactly like they were short of the funds to meet his release clause/asking price at any point. And if Nathan Ake is seen as a better signing than Jules Kounde then we should really be questioning if he is the right signing.

Clubs get linked to hundreds of players by the media, it doesn’t necessarily mean its true.

I guess I have to post same thing I posted earlier today...

Monchi explained why they rejected great offer from City.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/man-city-kounde-transfer-news-19270079

Also Kounde said that Pep called him.

https://www.football-espana.net/2020/11/23/sevillas-jules-kounde-admits-he-spoke-with-pep-guardiola-about-move-to-manchester-city

They also wanted KK before Dias but Napoli wanted 100m which City did not want to pay.

Dias was 3rd option.

Kounde was linked with United, City, Spurs, Chelsea, Barca, Real... They all probably know a thing or two about footy...

And about Varane... He had this low price all summer, but apart from United he was not linked with anyone? 

Stats Varane vs Kounde:

https://www.squawka.com/en/comparison-matrix/?compare=660pQ6uI8Xci6poIjWQL1

 

 

 

Edited July 27, 2021 by NikkiCFC

[Pizy 18,996]

Reading the replies to any of Romano’s tweets regarding Koundé today and they’re filled with angry Real Madrid supporters who are annoyed that they aren’t replacing Varane with him. They all want him in their team and they’re the ones watching La Liga every week and know how talented he is.

If he’s good enough to be considered for Real Madrid he’s good enough for Chelsea.

[Thor 2,753]

Kounde has the Reece James type build. He isn't getting bullied out of anything. 

How many times has James surprised a hulking CF with his strength and had them back off? I counted plenty last season, and Kounde plays very much the same way. 

Looks incredible on the ball. The best I've seen from all these "ball playing" CB's we've ever been linked to. 

 

Exciting transfer. 

[King Kante 1,643]

2 hours ago, Jas said:

Doesn’t that exclude the proposed swapped player from the 50 million?

Romano said in the article on the Guardian that Kounde has a release clause of €80 million but the club aren’t prepared to pay that fee. Assuming that is the case, then the deal should probably be like €50 million + Zouma for Kounde, no?

Sounds like €/£50m straight up or less cash and a player to me. However, I don't know if the guy in that tweet is reliable. Could be pure BS. 

Edited July 28, 2021 by King Kante

[Strike 7,552]

10 hours ago, Magic Lamps said:

kounde for zouma leaves us with just one CB over 6'2, all slight in build, all aerially average at best. Don't like it at all. Zouma scored 6 goals from set pieces last season. Can easiyl now see us go a full season without a headed set piece goal which come in clutch in tight games.

Praying this does not happen but it so stupid our board will do everything to complete it. smdh

Conveniently ignoring how bad Zouma was under Tuchel and how uncomfortable he looked in a ball-playing role.

Zouma's set-piece goals last year - Brighton, Palace, Burnley, Leeds, Palace - Just one of them in a tight game vs Leeds.

[Strike 7,552]

 

On course for 10 updates from Fab before there's anything new or concrete.

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

3 hours ago, Strike said:

Conveniently ignoring how bad Zouma was under Tuchel and how uncomfortable he looked in a ball-playing role.

Zouma's set-piece goals last year - Brighton, Palace, Burnley, Leeds, Palace - Just one of them in a tight game vs Leeds.

A cbs  priority is to defend . Zouma is A good enough defender as a back up. The cbs playing out from the back is overrated and a temporary trendy craze that happens every few decades. 
When you have tall and/or fast attackers which we have, hoofing it forward can actually cause more of an attacking threat than giving everyone a heart attack by passing it through the own box. 

[Jase 43,479]

5 hours ago, King Kante said:

Sounds like €/£50m straight up or less cash and a player to me. However, I don't know if the guy in that tweet is reliable. Could be pure BS. 

Okay, my brain was definitely broken last night. Read that as Sevilla want around 50m plus a player rather than 50m OR less money plus a player. 😅🤦‍♂️

Having said that, would be surprised if Sevilla drop the asking price (aka release clause fee) so much for supposedly one of the best young CBs, regardless of whether a player is included in the deal or not. 

[Syltherin 25]

if we compare all new CB signing from the top club,,we can see Kounde and White have the best prospect to shine this season...

 

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

It is supposed to be a buyers market yet we decide to splash out 50m+ for a position we are not even in desperate need despite better alternatives being available for half the money. The board is getting dumber each year. 

[Strike 7,552]

1 minute ago, Magic Lamps said:

A cbs  priority is to defend . Zouma is A good enough defender as a back up. The cbs playing out from the back is overrated and a temporary trendy craze that happens every few decades. 
When you have tall and/or fast attackers which we have, hoofing it forward can actually cause more of an attacking threat than giving everyone a heart attack by passing it through the own box. 

When so many teams are pressing high up and hardly any top team plays a CB like Zouma regularly.

For the longest time, we have been trying to do away with hoofball too. Sarri's 4-3-3 and Tuchel's 3-4-3 play out of the back and the latter won the Champions League without really breaking a sweat.

I don't see Zouma getting minutes under Tuchel other than being thrown on when closing out games. Firmly the 5th choice CB under him at the moment.

[We Hate Scouse 10,335]

24 minutes ago, Syltherin said:

if we compare all new CB signing from the top club,,we can see Kounde and White have the best prospect to shine this season...

 

Interesting to see his aerial duels won compared to the others, especially with the current concern about his height.

[Jype 6,398]

22 minutes ago, Jas said:

Having said that, would be surprised if Sevilla drop the asking price (aka release clause fee) so much for supposedly one of the best young CBs, regardless of whether a player is included in the deal or not. 

They accepted €25M + Lamela from Spurs for Bryan Gil who's supposedly a really good talent and had a release clause of €50M. Lamela is for sure not worth €25M so that means Sevilla had to settle for an overall package a good €10-15M less than the release clause because they're in some financial trouble.

If I had to guess Sevilla would take €60M cash for Koundé but with a player exchange it would probably be somewhere around Zouma + €30M. Zouma should probably be valued around €25-30M, which is in line with the club's rumored asking price and the player's valuation on Transfermarkt (€32M). 

[Jype 6,398]

30 minutes ago, Syltherin said:

if we compare all new CB signing from the top club,,we can see Kounde and White have the best prospect to shine this season...

I dislike this kind of statistics because playing for Real Madrid or Brighton are two completely different things so comparing for example Varane and White on defensive stats (tackles, interceptions, clearances etc.) is pointless. Of course the CB playing for a bottom level club will have more defensive actions per game than one playing for a team who control most of their games on the opposition half.

That said, on an individual level without comparing to the others Koundé comes across really impressive in almost all metrics. I could see him fitting really well in the RCB role.

[Jase 43,479]

11 minutes ago, Jype said:

They accepted €25M + Lamela from Spurs for Bryan Gil who's supposedly a really good talent and had a release clause of €50M. Lamela is for sure not worth €25M so that means Sevilla had to settle for an overall package a good €10-15M less than the release clause because they're in some financial trouble.

If I had to guess Sevilla would take €60M cash for Koundé but with a player exchange it would probably be somewhere around Zouma + €30M. Zouma should probably be valued around €25-30M, which is in line with the club's rumored asking price and the player's valuation on Transfermarkt (€32M). 

Not going to sit here and argue whether Lamela is worth €25 million or not but Sevilla and Spurs seemed to work on the basis that Gil was worth €50 million because of the release clause and Spurs threw in Lamela to basically drive the price down. Romano said that Kounde has €80 million as his release clause but the club aren't prepared to pay that fee and hence why they tried to include Emerson but failed and now they're trying to include Zouma into the deal. Based on that, it seems like €80 million is the asking price for Kounde and the club are trying to get the price down. Maybe Sevilla will lower the fee a little or maybe not, since we're rich and all, but I guess we'll find out soon enough. 

[Jype 6,398]

9 minutes ago, Jas said:

Not going to sit here and argue whether Lamela is worth €25 million or not but Sevilla and Spurs seemed to work on the basis that Gil was worth €50 million because of the release clause and Spurs threw in Lamela to basically drive the price down. Romano said that Kounde has €80 million as his release clause but the club aren't prepared to pay that fee and hence why they tried to include Emerson but failed and now they're trying to include Zouma into the deal. Based on that, it seems like €80 million is the asking price for Kounde and the club are trying to get the price down. Maybe Sevilla will lower the fee a little or maybe not, since we're rich and all, but I guess we'll find out soon enough. 

Yeah, we'll see what happens.

As for the player valuations, Lamela is definitely not worth €25M and that doesn't even need arguing. On Transfermarkt he was listed at €16M and while that seems quite fair I doubt any club would have paid even that much for him in the current financial climate. Zouma is listed at €32M which seems fair as well, and in a straight cash transfer he could go for a bit less than that.

If Lamela's value in the exchange transfer somehow got inflated to €25M we shouldn't even consider Zouma being valued at a penny less than €40M in any part-exchange deal if we're counting his value against Koundé's release clause of €80M. Even then we'd be looking at a maximum of Zouma + €40M to make it happen.

Edited July 28, 2021 by Jype

[King Kante 1,643]

1 hour ago, Magic Lamps said:

It is supposed to be a buyers market yet we decide to splash out 50m+ for a position we are not even in desperate need despite better alternatives being available for half the money. The board is getting dumber each year. 

CB is a bit of a funny area, as whilst it looks ok for this season, next it is potentially a disaster: 

AC: Out of contract 

Rudi: Out of contract 

Silva: Out of contract and old

Dave: Out of contract 

Zouma: Only one year left and not a fit for the system. 

Ampadu: Is he good enough? 

Sarr: Is he good enough? 

When you read the above it becomes even more questionable how both Guehi and Tomori were sold as we have 4 CB's out of contract, 1 not a fit for TT's system and another two who may never be good enough. 

 

 

[Superblue 6,372]

1 hour ago, Jas said:

Okay, my brain was definitely broken last night. Read that as Sevilla want around 50m plus a player rather than 50m OR less money plus a player. 😅🤦‍♂️

Having said that, would be surprised if Sevilla drop the asking price (aka release clause fee) so much for supposedly one of the best young CBs, regardless of whether a player is included in the deal or not. 

A lot of other countries won't have been propped up as well as the Prem with nearly 18 months of no fans, so I can understand dropping below the release clause if Sevilla need to sell and raise funds. 

Also if reports are true, Spurs were in talks but he rejected them. I very much doubt they would have come anywhere near his release clause so probably around £50m as a starting point may sound about right.

I suppose if they were to receive £20-30m + Zouma and have also received around £20m + Lamela for Gil then they've actually raised some good funds and gained two decent players to fill those gaps immediately.