The Tuchel Thread

[R2D2 368]

35 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

Surely Benitez is the opposite of what you're trying to argue? The only reason he'd come here and put up with the hostility is the opportunity to win a trophy for his CV.

I agree with @Tomo, anybody that wasn't affiliated with the club would know the club's history with sacking managers and therefore would much more likely use experience over youth. The idea that Lampard had to blood the youth is a myth as there were still experienced, alternative options at the club.

Lampard currently is being made to look silly by Tuchel's success but I think over time, his tenure here will be looked at more favourably. 

Mount and James are almost certainly going to have massive careers here at Chelsea. Gilmour could well break through long term too. Even if Tammy and Tomori move on, they're now £60-70m worth of players between them now. And whatever the situation is with the new signings and whether they were his players (I think they all were, it was just that he wanted more to go with them. Mendy the exception as he said that was from Cech's recommendations), he has helped us bring some fantastic players to the club who will make a big impact here over the long term.

Replacing Lampard was completely the right decision, and the trigger could and should probably have been pulled weeks sooner. However, I think the club stand to benefit from Lampard's time here and the decision to take a chance on him actually worked out pretty well.

It's basically what most agree upon, Frank in a management role absolutely strived and delivered it's on pitch he failed hard. I will certainly bemouth him for making our defense look like total garbage but will never forget and respect how he said no to frauds like Zaha, got us Top 4 and signed top class players in the summer.

Edited May 11, 2021 by R2D2

[Atomiswave 6,117]

The sad aspect is that we still see fans bemoaning and clearly still unhappy we sacked Lamps, I mean come the fuck on what is your problem dude, he was clearly way way out of his depth. They would rather nullify this adventure under TT and rather stick with Lamps....just cuz he is a legend. If FL still were here we would have got utterly wrecked by many teams now.

[chippy 342]

19 hours ago, Mana said:

We didn't hire Lampard because he's a "young, inexperienced" manager. We hired him because he's a Chelsea legend. That's the matter of it.

We could have chosen better rookie managers like Eddie Howe instead of Lampard because at least Howe has shown he can play attacking football and has more coaching years under his belt. There was ZERO major reasons to pick Lampard at the time. Zero. He lost the Championship play-off final, took Derby from 6th to 6th and only had one season under his belt.

You can point to "he has coached the youths there to take them to the play-off final" but it's one season. Could be a one season wonder. A fluke. And even people forgot Derby got that 6th place by the skins of their teeth.

No other top club would touch Lampard then and even now. We took him because of he is a legend here. That's all. Same can be said with Arteta (to an extent) and Ole.

I didn't say we hired Frank because was a young, inexperienced manager. 

Anyway, I made it clear with how I think now with my last sentence of a post a few days ago when I ended with saying Frank is history now, so onward and upwards with TT.

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

hace 8 horas, Mana dijo:

Howe had a complete downfall but that's only if you looked at it at face value. That Bournemouth squad has overachieved massively. Most of their squad was playing League 1 football not too long ago. His star signings during the PL were the injury-prove Jack Wilshere on a free and Ake (who then moved to City later). Mings that has been crucial back in their defence was only on loan to them. 

But what I do think Howe made a huge mistake though, is that one summer spending £80m on players and ended up 14th. Spent it like a little boy in a candy shop and had no clue what to do then. It's a shame he didn't have any help.

Say what you want about me downplaying Lampard, but you are also downplaying what Howe achieved at Bournemouth which was 100x better than what Lampard EVER did.

He is overrated and I get that but that's not the point I was trying to make. If Chelsea chose Howe, at LEAST there would be some sense to why they picked him. Yes, Howe's tenure came to a miserable end but look at what Howe achieved in Bournemouth, you cannot downplay that. What has Lampard achieved that is so better than Howe?

He did do well with them to a degree that is true but the talks of him being in for the England job or being an acceptable option at other bigger clubs than Bournemouth were always premature. 

In the PL alone he had spent 25.5m on Jefferson Lerma, 20m on Ake, 19m on Solanke, 16m on Jordan Ibe, 15m on Philip Biling, 14m on Diego Rico, 12m on Benik Afobe etc in the seasons they were up and bar Ake, the rest of them flopped horribly. Also incorrect Mings was at Bournemouth signed from Ipswich and never kicked on there playing 20 matches in 4 seasons so left to go to Villa, so I cannot see how he could have been their defensive lynchpin. Wilshere and Harry Wilson were loanees over his spell there but again Wilshere played 27 games and didn’t put up any trees as his career was effectively over for a player who could play at any club in the top 10-14 spots in the PL if I am honest and well Harry Wilson no clue what he is up to now. His greatest achievement in terms of signings is probably Ryan Fraser who he signed from Aberdeen when Bournemouth were in League 1, Harry Arter, Matt Ritchie or Callum Wilson. Ake was really his only good PL signing tbh.

The pont is regardless taking Frank out of consideration completely, Eddie Howe would of been a poor choice for any top club also. Yes 2 promotions was good work from him and on shoe strings but when he got to the PL he also shown exactly the sort of ceiling he would hit as a manager and particularly shown an incredibly poor judge of player whilst he was managing Bournemouth in the PL as some of those signings for those prices listed above were abysmal.

If Lampard had managed for the same time period at a club like Derby then it would be a different story as there would be more to judge him on. I don’t necessarily think he had done remotely close to enough for a top end of the table PL job yet alone ours but in hindsight seeing how Derby are now the difference is night and day compared to them when he was there, I think hes maybe not done the worst job in the world in that season although obviously not perfect. He made a mistake leaving there too soon as did we hiring him in all fairness. He did get us to an FA cup final we should have been winning in all fairness but you don’t want to be remembered as a club for only getting to finals, you want to be remembered for winning them. And we were outgunned by fucking Mikel Arteta of all folk and look at the shambles of that team now. 

Edited May 11, 2021 by OneMoSalah

[Superblue 6,372]

5 hours ago, Atomiswave said:

The sad aspect is that we still see fans bemoaning and clearly still unhappy we sacked Lamps, I mean come the fuck on what is your problem dude, he was clearly way way out of his depth. They would rather nullify this adventure under TT and rather stick with Lamps....just cuz he is a legend. If FL still were here we would have got utterly wrecked by many teams now.

If there is I think it'll be a real minority now.

When fans are back in stadiums, I think there will be chants of Super Frank but I don't think it'll be in any way to oppose Tuchel, it'll be a means to show love and support for him. Particularly as fans have not been in stadiums since his sacking to show that.

I think the majority of fans though are no different to on this forum, thoroughly impressed with Tuchel so far and fully in support, looking forward to seeing where and how far he can take our club.

[Laylabelle 9,536]

I dont think they'll be unhappiness about it all. Maybe if he was doing well then sacked and obvious he was a stop gap till someone else came along. But not the case. Was given chances,nothing changed and so had to go.

 

[Atomiswave 6,117]

11 hours ago, Superblue_1986 said:

If there is I think it'll be a real minority now.

When fans are back in stadiums, I think there will be chants of Super Frank but I don't think it'll be in any way to oppose Tuchel, it'll be a means to show love and support for him. Particularly as fans have not been in stadiums since his sacking to show that.

I think the majority of fans though are no different to on this forum, thoroughly impressed with Tuchel so far and fully in support, looking forward to seeing where and how far he can take our club.

They are in the minority or very close to it and the fans will most def have his back at the Bridge. But still baffling that there are still some that would rather have FL in charge and still hurt he got sacked. We should all be buzzing not beacuse we are in 2 finals but cuz we have a clear identity already and progress well well visible.

[ZAPHOD2319 4,819]

Tuchel is incredibly laser focused on the end of the season. I hop he has this for years to come.

 

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“Transfer periods can be real mood-breakers between moods and clubs and I don’t want to have this ever again," Tuchel explained ahead of tonight's game against Arsenal.

"The circumstances [of taking charge mid-season] had something of a simplicity. It was very tough to leave my family for this period of time but it meant a huge simplicity to my life here as a coach. It’s been only, only about coaching this team.

"No second thoughts about bringing someone in or letting someone go, it was crystal clear to step in and do what is needed and do what we do best: coaching."

He continued: “I have zero ambition to ruin this atmosphere. I want it for myself, not for anybody else. Do we have some ideas on how to improve the squad? Yes, we do. Will we fight about it? No, we won’t. We will discuss things.

"First of all, we will finish the season because it’s not time to reflect now. I embrace the simplicity and hope we can continue to live like this on the job because it’s fun, very exciting, very pure.

"There are big challenges and big games constantly coming. This is what we love."

 

 

 

Edited May 12, 2021 by ZAPHOD2319

[Atomiswave 6,117]

Go get them TT, show these corrupt cunts we will tolerate their BS no longer

[Tautvix 1,321]

Yep, be careful with him... Our win ratio with Tuchel is quite poor and getting into some finals means nothing, you have to win them.

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

wtf was that. We lost that final the moment TT declared Kepa would start after the Arsenal fuck up. The only finals TT ever won was with hugely superior sides. BVB vs Frankfurt and PSG vs some farmers.

On equal terms he always botched the lineup and lost, twice vs depleted Bayern sides at that.

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

Awful team selection.

[whats happening 1,621]

time for a sack. terrible manager.

[Jase 43,479]

We haven't done very well when we concede first in games under Tuchel...

D 1-1 Southampton
L 2-5 West Brom
L 0-1 Porto
W 2-1 Man City
L 0-1 Arsenal
L 0-1 Leicester

Can excuse the West Brom and Porto games because we went down to 10 men in one and we conceded like in the 93rd minute or something in the other. But the rest (apart from Man City)...

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

2 minutes ago, Jas said:

We haven't done very well when we concede first in games under Tuchel...

D 1-1 Southampton
L 2-5 West Brom
L 0-1 Porto
W 2-1 Man City
L 0-1 Arsenal
L 0-1 Leicester

Can excuse the West Brom and Porto games because we went down to 10 men in one and we conceded like in the 93rd minute or something in the other. But the rest (apart from Man City)...

It's always been like that with TT. Once things go wrong he gets impatient and nervous. Unable to influence the game anymore.His biggest challenge will be to get the morale up again.

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

hace 6 minutos, whats happening dijo:

time for a sack. terrible manager.

🤣🤣🤣🤣 so it begins

 

Anyway. Hopefully Tuchel delivers some home truths in the dressing room. Aye Alonso was a questionable start but the front players did nothing and neither did the wingbacks. Looked beat in the second half before Leicester even scored. Finals are decided by small details. Questionable offside (looked like a ballhair was in it) and the handball for their goal although I would think it would be harsh to have given it either way but aye why did it take to around the 75th minute for us to start playing again? He will probably be harsh on himself as he was v Arsenal and West Brom but its now time to see if he goes for some of the players who were anonymous in attack. And if he does how they react. 

Edited May 15, 2021 by OneMoSalah

[Mário César 1,280]

The problem is not lose the final, but the line up that Tuchel choose. Nobody stars a final with Kepa and Alonso.

Ok, the goal its not Kepa fault, but just the presence of him and not Mendy is not the same to the team. Its psychological thing

[milka 3,393]

Thoughts on tuchel if we also lose the ucl final?

New deal or .......  ? 

Edited May 15, 2021 by milka

[Mário César 1,280]

the same happened agains Arsenal. Kepa just can't play again in this type of games. its impossible. 

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

Justo ahora, milka dijo:

Thoughts on tuchel if we also lose the ucl final?

New deal or ....... Sack ? 

I think its not going to change the fact he’s made a big impact in the last 4 months tbf.

He can argue the team is lacking consistency or clinical finishing, which it is and as well we could also argue that without him arguably we could have been a lot worse off than in the running for top 4 and having made 2 finals.