The Tuchel Thread

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7 hours ago, Sir Mikel OBE said:

The idea he thinks CHO will forget what happened today in the morning shows that he is naive.

 

He may think hes just a kid but one never knows where player power can come from.

I don’t think he was saying CHO will forget, I think he was saying he will let it go and back to training without holding this against CHO. If CHO wants to give up his position... next man up.

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2 hours ago, Henrique said:

What do you guys think about CHO getting sub after only 30 minutes of football? I never like when a coach subs a player who didn't start the game. 

If Tuchel was telling him to do something and CHO was not doing it, put him back on the bench.

[killer1257 3,282]

I think Tuchel is realising slowly that Chelsea is a much more difficult job than managing BVB and PSG. At PSG, he had Verratti, Di Maria, Mbappe, Cavani, Icardi and Neymar. We do not even have one player that is on their level. Only Silva is on on their level, but he also used to play for PSG lol. 

Hope he slowly realises that certain players are just not made for Chelsea. The good thing is that moaning Tuchel is already here. 

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Tuchel knows exactly what this team lacks. He is a no-nonsense coach and tactical genius.

I am happy we are disappointed after a draw. With Lampard we would be happy right now with draws.
 

Frank Lampard had lowered our bar too much - people were defending the PE Teacher Lampard after losing against shower of shit teams. So happy we got rid of that impersonator and got a real coach. Tuchel was fuming and rightly so.

Tuchel will need time. He has to clean up the mess the fraud Lampard left. I am convinced there are bright times ahead.

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8 hours ago, Mana said:

I dread Atletico. We will not any goal in both legs playing like this. So disjointed.

Not happy with our performances so far. I only managed to swallow them because we were winning.

They looked like dogshit today and Gimenez got injured (not sure if he will miss our game)

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8 hours ago, ZaynChelsea said:

Tuchel knows exactly what this team lacks. He is a no-nonsense coach and tactical genius.

I am happy we are disappointed after a draw. With Lampard we would be happy right now with draws.
 

Frank Lampard had lowered our bar too much - people were defending the PE Teacher Lampard after losing against shower of shit teams. So happy we got rid of that impersonator and got a real coach. Tuchel was fuming and rightly so.

Tuchel will need time. He has to clean up the mess the fraud Lampard left. I am convinced there are bright times ahead.

The tactical genius is consistently playing some of our worst players and creating his own mess by doing so. Your hatred of our greatest ever player is completely misplaced as is your blind trust in TT.

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1 hour ago, Magic Lamps said:

The tactical genius is consistently playing some of our worst players and creating his own mess by doing so. Your hatred of our greatest ever player is completely misplaced as is your blind trust in TT.

We didn‘t manage to win against any top half team with Lampard. That‘s disgraceful. TT is still searching his best XI and he will eventually find it. I mean, Lampard couldn‘t find his best XI the whole season. 
We didn‘t lose - we drew. We are in Top 4. TT got a difficult job on his hands - he has to make sure we finish Top 4 at the end of the season. Who put us in this miserable situation in the first place? Yup, Lamps. So why do you expect from Tuchel to do everything right after some weeks when our ‚legend‘ (I refuse to call him that since I don‘t think legends fk off to City) couldn‘t do anything right in years??

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31 minutes ago, ZaynChelsea said:

We didn‘t manage to win against any top half team with Lampard.

Factually, that's incorrect. We beat West Ham in December. 

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People are criticizing him for double-subbing CHO, but i actually like Tuchel even more after this – it shows he has ideas, flexibility, balls and bravery to do something like this and he accepts no BS for it. That's something we lacked for 3 years, with Sarri and Lampard being death-afraid to change anything, not even mentioning changing something that clearly didn't work during the match.

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33 minutes ago, Vegetable said:

People are criticizing him for double-subbing CHO, but i actually like Tuchel even more after this – it shows he has ideas, flexibility, balls and bravery to do something like this and he accepts no BS for it. That's something we lacked for 3 years, with Sarri and Lampard being death-afraid to change anything, not even mentioning changing something that clearly didn't work during the match.

Honestly, was CHO the worse player out there? I don't think he was. Also, did his subs actually work? They did not. Ziyech would have been more effectitve with CHO on the pitch imo. Also with Lamps I disagree with that.. He hooked off Werner at H/T against Arsenal and last season at Emirates made changes in the first half when things clearly weren't working and also changed formation.

Yeah it is good to see TT change things but I don't like this idea that people make it sound as if Lamps did not do any of this.

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56 minutes ago, Vegetable said:

People are criticizing him for double-subbing CHO, but i actually like Tuchel even more after this – it shows he has ideas, flexibility, balls and bravery to do something like this and he accepts no BS for it. That's something we lacked for 3 years, with Sarri and Lampard being death-afraid to change anything, not even mentioning changing something that clearly didn't work during the match.

I don't think it shows balls and bravery to sub off CHO. Tuchel would never have done that to Giroud or Werner. He can do that to youth players, but he would very like not do that to the established players. 

He could have subbed off Alonso or Werner. But he went for the small guy CHO instead 

[El P. 1,354]

I think our Saints setup was first of all too defensive. After that there were some players that were clearly awful and should've gone out before 65'.

I can't understand leaving Alonso on the pitch. CHO was not so good, but if he maybe tried him at LWB it would give him needed kick and more space to get in the game. Also, switching to 4-2-3-1 would not be crazy too - bring Chilly for Alonso and bring Ziyech (on right wing) for James/Azpi, switch CHO to left wing. Alonso was just plain terrible. Zouma would be better in 4-2-3-1 too, and with Kante in the team, why not?

If he decided to stay with 3-4-3, why not Jorginho instead of Kante at 60'? I mean, Kova wasn't at his best, but if you pair him with J5, that could be completely different story.

Edited February 21, 2021 by El P.

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19 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

I don't think it shows balls and bravery to sub off CHO. Tuchel would never have done that to Giroud or Werner. He can do that to youth players, but he would very like not do that to the established players. 

He could have subbed off Alonso or Werner. But he went for the small guy CHO instead 

But Tuchel also went for one of the players who have benefitted most from the managerial change. CHO may not be an established player yet but he is clearly liked by Tuchel.

This whole subbing a sub thing wasn't pretty and it generated stupid headlines on us again (never a dull moment with us) but there's no point going back and forth on this until we see what happens in the next few games. As humiliating it is to sub a sub, Tuchel isn't the first manager to complain about CHO's lack of effort etc. If this gives CHO a kick up the arse and he goes on to perform, people would probably calling this a genius move from Tuchel. If not, then, it's fair to go back criticizing Tuchel on this. 

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5 minutes ago, Jason said:

But Tuchel also went for one of the players who have benefitted most from the managerial change. CHO may not be an established player yet but he is clearly liked by Tuchel.

This whole subbing a sub thing wasn't pretty and it generated stupid headlines on us again (never a dull moment with us) but there's no point going back and forth on this until we see what happens in the next few games. As humiliating it is to sub a sub, Tuchel isn't the first manager to complain about CHO's lack of effort etc. If this gives CHO a kick up the arse and he goes on to perform, people would probably calling this a genius move from Tuchel. If not, then, it's fair to go back criticizing Tuchel on this. 

The question for me is if CHO really lacked effort and did not run as much as he should have done for instance or did he just take the wrong decisions  for example? 

Because lack of effort means for me that he did not run as much as he should have done. Was that really the case? 

Tuchel plays CHO as a right no. 10 or right wing back. For me, he is a LW. Tuchel also played Pulisic as a left wingback. I don't think Tuchel will get the best out of both with that kind of formation anyway. 

 

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