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Credit to Tuchel (and the team) for getting it right tonight.

But let's not get carried away just yet. It's only the first leg and Tuchel has a history of bottling the tie in the second leg...

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Sorry but absolute bollox was the UCL win lucky in anyway shape or form. We absolutely battered both Madrid sides, were comfortable against Porto and if anything should have won the final by even

Took us from 10th to finishing 4th. This has to be credited. Yes, we lost the final game but he gave us the chance to fight for the top 4 after that Lampard fiasco. And we did it. With luck. Again. Ju

I tell you what, it you're so convinced this season is going to be shit, would you be willing to put your money where your mouth is? If we finish outside the top four I'll donate £200 to the foru

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PSG, City and Bayern are only teams that worry me in the CL. Avoid them in the next round. Dortmund would be great or Porto if they get result against Juve, but Juve is nothing special either.

Ofc lets first finish the job at SB.

If we win CL I would not care if we finish 6th...

Dont forget, our 3 best campaigns in the CL came when we changed managers in the middle of the season. RDM, Grant, Hiddink.

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7 hours ago, Jason said:

A manager taking responsibility? Preposterous!

Tuchel's full quote:

“No, it was not [that we saved Giroud for Atlético]. We thought long and hard about putting him in [against Southampton]. It was clearly a possibility that he starts against Southampton [after scoring versus Newcastle], then we analysed them and they are a very aggressive team and they press and play high up the pitch. So we expected more spaces behind the last line and we wanted more runs from deep.

“I had only three changes because in our league it is only possible to have three changes. I wasn’t too happy in my decisions in the game against Southampton.

“Maybe we missed the opportunity to bring him on at the end. But then I can say I saved him for today.”

@OneMoSalah I was right. 😛

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7 hours ago, Mana said:

I'll hold this back for a little while. Too early to say.

Also there's a thing called honeymoon period. Seen it with Sarri, seen it with Lampard.

I think we have to accept it - You will never be happy

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1 hour ago, Strike said:

I think we have to accept it - You will never be happy

We look much more organized. Under Lampard, there was no visible style of play, no tactics, no strategy. The players were fed up of him. Tuchel didn‘t even have a whole summer yet and still we look more organized than in all the time before. 

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31 minutes ago, Mana said:

How can I be happy? I'll be happy when the standards of this football club is back to where it was again.

We are on the verge for the first time in the Roman era not to have a trophy in 2 consecutive seasons. Not that we are entitled to have a trophy, but I'm showing you how far we have fallen. 

We spent 200m+ and we still scrapping top 4. And you expect me to be happy?

TT has put us on the map for top 4 again and that's brilliant, but until I see consistency of good football, I'll remain sceptical.

Who put us into this mess? And who is the one who has to clean up the garbage of the predecessor?

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Good win, but first leg. 

Liverpool last year looked good for first leg and then second leg Atletico knock them out. 

Let's wait and see how we do next leg. 

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17 minutes ago, Fernando said:

Good win, but first leg. 

Liverpool last year looked good for first leg and then second leg Atletico knock them out. 

Let's wait and see how we do next leg. 

Yes, agree with the sentiment but the one big difference here is Liverpool lost the first leg last season and we won it. Atletico should have some key players back for the 2nd leg but unlike last season, they will have to come out and play, instead of just focusing on defending. 

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5 hours ago, Mana said:

How can I be happy? I'll be happy when the standards of this football club is back to where it was again.

We are on the verge for the first time in the Roman era not to have a trophy in 2 consecutive seasons. Not that we are entitled to have a trophy, but I'm showing you how far we have fallen. 

We spent 200m+ and we still scrapping top 4. And you expect me to be happy?

TT has put us on the map for top 4 again and that's brilliant, but until I see consistency of good football, I'll remain sceptical.

But given your main argument against Lampard was he didn't have the track record to look back on, surely you've on that basis got to give Tuchel until the very least the end of next season?

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One of the ESPN pundits, in this case our former player Frank LeBoeuf, for once seemed to offer a decent thought as to why our attack breaks down in the final third of the pitch despite maintaining so much control up to that point.

His reasoning was that we don't have enough players playing up front right now that carry the ball for an extended period and try to 'unbalance' the opposition. He felt that Mount is the only player that does it to some extent.

I can see where he is coming from. CHO for example also tries to do take-on's , but  CHO is also a very direct winger as opposed to someone like Pulisic or Hazard, and doesn't necessarily drag defenders out of position. 

Long story short, we really need players like Pulisic to find their form sooner rather than later. Even Ziyech, whose passing ability can make up for the lack of dribblers in the front line. Ziyech looked a bit better in his cameo appearance against Atletico, so I hope he isn't too far off

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15 minutes ago, Blue Armour said:

One of the ESPN pundits, in this case our former player Frank LeBoeuf, for once seemed to offer a decent thought as to why our attack breaks down in the final third of the pitch despite maintaining so much control up to that point.

His reasoning was that we don't have enough players playing up front right now that carry the ball for an extended period and try to 'unbalance' the opposition. He felt that Mount is the only player that does it to some extent.

I can see where he is coming from. CHO for example also tries to do take-on's , but  CHO is also a very direct winger as opposed to someone like Pulisic or Hazard, and doesn't necessarily drag defenders out of position. 

Long story short, we really need players like Pulisic to find their form sooner rather than later. Even Ziyech, whose passing ability can make up for the lack of dribblers in the front line. Ziyech looked a bit better in his cameo appearance against Atletico, so I hope he isn't too far off

We also need better passers in midfield. We need a Fabregas in midfield. Too often we would just pass backward or sideway, thus allowing the opposition to get back into their defensive shape and making it hard for us to penetrate. Even having a dribbler would find it difficult to do anything if they have to beat 2-3 players every time, as already seen in some instances with Mount.

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20 minutes ago, Jason said:

We also need better passers in midfield. We need a Fabregas in midfield. Too often we would just pass backward or sideway, thus allowing the opposition to get back into their defensive shape and making it hard for us to penetrate. Even having a dribbler would find it difficult to do anything if they have to beat 2-3 players every time, as already seen in some instances with Mount.

Yes, Jorginho and Kovacic aren't going to cut it. They can circulate the ball just fine, but there's no decisive passing or goal threat from either of them.

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29 minutes ago, Jason said:

We also need better passers in midfield. We need a Fabregas in midfield. Too often we would just pass backward or sideway, thus allowing the opposition to get back into their defensive shape and making it hard for us to penetrate. Even having a dribbler would find it difficult to do anything if they have to beat 2-3 players every time, as already seen in some instances with Mount.

I can't name you one player that would be available and has Cesc type of passing abilities. Man City seems to have bought all the world class creative masterminds in world football 😂. Verratti is very likely not available 

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22 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

I can't name you one player that would be available and has Cesc type of passing abilities. Man City seems to have bought all the world class creative masterminds in world football 😂. Verratti is very likely not available 

There are very few. But players with cesc type passing abilities appear to be a thing of the past. But i dont think we need those. We need someone who is somewhat strong and athletic, can hold his positions and play long and through balls between the lines to complement kovacic. The only players who are available and come remotedly close are neves, zakaria, rice and manuel locatelli who i am becoming increasingly convinced by. maybe tielemans, bentancour or camavinga if they develop a more reserved style of play.

But we are not making the most of our attackign players in the system we are currently playing. only CHO and Alonso really profit from the way we are playing. Our three most talented, technically gifted attackers Pulisic, Havertz and Ziyech being marginalised is not gonna be helpful in the long term. this is why i do not think this 3-4-2-1 is the way to go. It only works when we monopolize posession which in turn hurts werner who is near on useless in a non-counter attacking system or with players who can play through balls. I still think Lampard was on the right track strategically with the 4-3-3 which Rice would have completed. It is a shame it will never come to fruition partly due to his tactical incapability.

The chance i see for Tuchel if he is hellbent on sticking to 3-4-2-1 is to replace Jorginho in the starting lineup with Mount and play Ziyech, Pulisic or havertz in the AM positions. maybe even 2 if the opponent is not that physical or parks it really deep.

--------James----Silva---Zouma----

CHO----Mount-----Kova----Chilwell-

----------Ziyech/Kai---Werner/Puli-------

------------Tammy/Kai/Giroud----------

would be worth a try IMO.

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Magic Lamps said:

There are very few. But players with cesc type passing abilities appear to be a thing of the past. But i dont think we need those. We need someone who is somewhat strong and athletic, can hold his positions and play long and through balls between the lines to complement kovacic. The only players who are available and come remotedly close are neves, zakaria, rice and manuel locatelli who i am becoming increasingly convinced by. maybe tielemans, bentancour or camavinga if they develop a more reserved style of play.

But we are not making the most of our attackign players in the system we are currently playing. only CHO and Alonso really profit from the way we are playing. Our three most talented, technically gifted attackers Pulisic, Havertz and Ziyech being marginalised is not gonna be helpful in the long term. this is why i do not think this 3-4-2-1 is the way to go. It only works when we monopolize posession which in turn hurts werner who is near on useless in a non-counter attacking system or with players who can play through balls. I still think Lampard was on the right track strategically with the 4-3-3 which Rice would have completed. It is a shame it will never come to fruition partly due to his tactical incapability.

The chance i see for Tuchel if he is hellbent on sticking to 3-4-2-1 is to replace Jorginho in the starting lineup with Mount and play Ziyech, Pulisic or havertz in the AM positions. maybe even 2 if the opponent is not that physical or parks it really deep.

--------James----Silva---Zouma----

CHO----Mount-----Kova----Chilwell-

----------Ziyech/Kai---Werner/Puli-------

------------Tammy/Kai/Giroud----------

would be worth a try IMO.

 

 

 

I also like the idea of Mount dropping deeper into midfield, and James replacing Azpi. 

I particularly like the idea of James playing as the RCB, because he can push up and make deadly right hand side combinations with Ziyech and CHO if needed. Opponents defending in the box will struggle to deal with that, because they won't be able to predict where a cross is going to swing in from.

I think its a logical next step if Mount and James are becoming more mature players, with Mount dropping into CM and James becoming an actual defender instead of just being a wing back.

As you said, if Tuchel sticks with 3 atb formation, this is something we could expect to see in the future.

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7 hours ago, killer1257 said:

I can't name you one player that would be available and has Cesc type of passing abilities. Man City seems to have bought all the world class creative masterminds in world football 😂. Verratti is very likely not available 

Just find someone who isn't an anti-forward passer! 

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