The Conte Thread

[RoyalBlues 4,050]

Lol, what's with all the fussed here. Meanwhile..

Chelsea boss Antonio Conte takes a breather from Premier League title race to watch football freestyler as he walks through streets of London

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4492570/Chelsea-boss-Antonio-Conte-watches-football-freestyler.html

[Henrique 9,133]

17 hours ago, Tautvix said:

Ancelotti won the league with 86 points. There's no way that team was better than Jose's team which won with 95. The fact that we won a few games 7-2, 7-1, 7-0, 8-0 and broke goalscoring record made it look like a good attacking team. These games in CL against Liverpool will always be a huge disappointment of course but with Ancelotti we couldn't even go to semis. Well beaten by Jose's Inter and next year against United.

Everyone thought Chelsea would struggle for top 4 because of last season. Take last season away and everyone will expect this team to win. Whatever happened last season nobody knows but this team is good enough win titles with a good manager. Also, everyone thought title race would be between Manchester teams but they are far away.

Comparing number of points between different seasons doesn't make any sense, and I hope you realize that. By your logic, Manchester United from 12/13 season is a better side than United from 07/08 season (when they won both Premier League and UCL, and were easily the best team in the world), since in 12/13 they won PL with 89 points, and 07/08 with 87 points, and guess what, Mourinho team from 14/15 season is also as good as 07/08 United, since in both situations the teams won the league with 87 points, and by your logic 14/15 Chelsea was a better team than Chelsea was in 07/08, because in that season Chelsea ended the season with 85 points, and its obvious 14/15 Mourinho team wasn't even close of being as good as Liverpool was back in 07/08, let alone being better or as good as Chelsea or United were in 2008.

"The fact that we won a few games 7-2, 7-1, 7-0, 8-0 and broke goalscoring record made it look like a good attacking team." Okay, made it look like a good attacking team, but probably wasn't...Right.

Those games against Liverpool weren't just "huge disappointments". They were actually hints of Mourinho football DNA, and in hindsight thats pretty obvious. Those semi finals were lost because of Mourinho vision of football: his main goal is not to lose the game. Sometimes he is so afraid of losing that he makes winning more difficult than it was supposed to be.

"Take last season away and everyone will expect this team to win". No and no! A big fat NO! Nobody would expect us to in the league, not even Conte was expecting that I'm pretty sure. Ok, finishing mid table last season was crazy, but this squad wasn't not even close of being good enough to be a team that people would "expect" to win. Actually, if Conte had stayed with some old tactics and using some old player, right now this team would between 4th and 6th place in the middle of the current Liverpool, United and Arsenal zone. Jesus, at the start of the season Terry and Ivanovic were considered untouchable players in this squad, and even Oscar was a key player. Pedro was a flop, Moses useless, David Luiz a joke, and Alonso the worst signing of the summer. Conte's fingerprints in the success of this season is pretty pretty pretty obvious.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

1 hour ago, Henrique said:

Comparing number of points between different seasons doesn't make any sense, and I hope you realize that. By your logic, Manchester United from 12/13 season is a better side than United from 07/08 season (when they won both Premier League and UCL, and were easily the best team in the world), since in 12/13 they won PL with 89 points, and 07/08 with 87 points, and guess what, Mourinho team from 14/15 season is also as good as 07/08 United, since in both situations the teams won the league with 87 points, and by your logic 14/15 Chelsea was a better team than Chelsea was in 07/08, because in that season Chelsea ended the season with 85 points, and its obvious 14/15 Mourinho team wasn't even close of being as good as Liverpool was back in 07/08, let alone being better or as good as Chelsea or United were in 2008.

"The fact that we won a few games 7-2, 7-1, 7-0, 8-0 and broke goalscoring record made it look like a good attacking team." Okay, made it look like a good attacking team, but probably wasn't...Right.

Those games against Liverpool weren't just "huge disappointments". They were actually hints of Mourinho football DNA, and in hindsight thats pretty obvious. Those semi finals were lost because of Mourinho vision of football: his main goal is not to lose the game. Sometimes he is so afraid of losing that he makes winning more difficult than it was supposed to be.

"Take last season away and everyone will expect this team to win". No and no! A big fat NO! Nobody would expect us to in the league, not even Conte was expecting that I'm pretty sure. Ok, finishing mid table last season was crazy, but this squad wasn't not even close of being good enough to be a team that people would "expect" to win. Actually, if Conte had stayed with some old tactics and using some old player, right now this team would between 4th and 6th place in the middle of the current Liverpool, United and Arsenal zone. Jesus, at the start of the season Terry and Ivanovic were considered untouchable players in this squad, and even Oscar was a key player. Pedro was a flop, Moses useless, David Luiz a joke, and Alonso the worst signing of the summer. Conte's fingerprints in the success of this season is pretty pretty pretty obvious.

Good post.

Because we've dominated the league, suddenly everyone has forgotten how we got here. Everyone has forgotten that Moses couldn't get a start for Westham or Liverpool, Everyone has forgotten that Alonso was average in the league for Bolton/Sunderland, everyone has forgotten that Luiz was benched for marquinos in PSG and a defensive liability before in the league, everyone has forgotten how Cahill was costing us goals with back passes lapses in concentration. Ivanovic, Oscar and Terry were still starting and we were eight points behind first position by late September. 

Conte has given on a season of excitement. Top scorers in the league, Lots of fantastic, memorable matches (3-0 Burnley, 3-1 Mancity, 4-0 Manutd, 5-0 Everton, 4-2 Stoke, 3-1 Arsenal, 4-2 Spurs, etc) Yet jealous peeps like Mourinho criticize our style and even Wenger is saying we play like Leicester city last season without taking the initiative. Even without landing his first choice players, combine this with facing two managers (Mourinho & Pep) who spent 200mil and got their targets he has done magnificent. Just imagine what we can do if we get his technical and mobile targets. The future is looking good for us, hopefully he's backed massively. 

[AlesJuve 264]

5 hours ago, AverageOne said:

First of all, I apologize in advance for my english mistakes i surely will do writing this. I'm italian and juventus' supporter.
And I better clear I love Antonio Conte's way to play much much much more the Allegri's one.

I decided to write beacuse I read something partially right on what happened back in juventus days.

He took an average team to 3 Scudetto in a row, anyway the board and him never got on well.
After first Scudetto he pretended a team ready to fight for winning CL. Board had different plan. The plan was step by step, year after year.

In 2012 he was accused not to report a fixed game he was aware to, when in 2011 was Siena manager. 
He was charge with 10 months ban. He denied, he wanted the trial. Juventus wanted him on the guide as soon as possible, so persuaded him to "negotiate a plea bargain" (not sure if is correct in english). He did it and the ban was 4 months but Conte never forgave juventus board to make him look guilty.

As someone said before, his third year, lost in Istanbul on a pitch not good for rugby. Players had not enough self esteem to play CL at high level, not Conte fault then. That year juve had a really good team, one of the best in europe : buffon, bonucci, chiellini, barzagli, lichtsteiner, vidal, pirlo, pogba, asamoah, tevez, llorente/vucinic.

Here is where something starts going really bad.
Juve is in EL, that year final was gonna be played in Turin (at home)!! Juve easily went on semifinals, Benfica-Juve 2-1 and Juve-Benfica 0-0 meant no final.
One can say, yeah it can happen, right but the problem is players played those two matches tired, really tired because Conte wanted more than anything else to make more than 100 points in the league. He did it: 102, record likely will never be beaten.
The man pushed to much, that wasn't wise, everyone knew but him.

He wants 100% every match, from begging to end, wonderful to watch, I appreciate that, but has consequences.

At the end of the season rumors says he went to the board, said many player were old and after 3 years like those couldn't be at the same level (motivation and physical), so the next year he left the board two choices. 
1) another year with those old players and buy some top players to win CL  
2) sell the old players and restart with a new young team with no pressure from the board to win the league soon again.

He waited since July!! and then decided that the board (which was not agree with him old players couldnt continue some years at the same level) didnt make enough to figth for CL and left.
That year Juve bought Coman, Pereyra, Evra, Morata. Board went its way, step-by-step. What we know is that Evra and Morata were Conte's choiches. My speculation is that Conte got angry with the Morata affair. Juve bought Morata with 'recompra' clause meaning in his eyes juventus being a real madrid 'B team' not a contender.

Board pretended to, yeah, listen to Conte but then buy what they wanted. Conte wasn't always right, he wanted Giovinco back in Juventus (similar affair ManU-Pogba) for a lot of money and Giovinco never was good enough, and all juventus fans already knew that. 
After he left Juve made two CL finals in 3 years with the old players he said couldnt last some more years at the same level. 
Conte wasn't always rigth.

Conte and the board separated in the worst way possible.

Inter.
I do not think he'll move to Inter next year but...
1) He said once he's a professionist and will not be a problem to be even Inter's manager
2) He appreciate Sabatini and he wanted to bring him to Chelsea
3) Take revenge on Juventus' board.
4) a lot of money

I can tell you, if he'll stay to Chelsea this summer he'll pretend Morata and Naingollan or Vidal. Why am i sure?
He sometimes got obsessed with some players, for example he loved Giovinco, Giaccherini not two players at juventus level, and got angry when juve sold Giaccherini.

He's the best one but he think he's always right and no one is.

Wait Conte wanted Giovinco but was a second choice because was easy to buy (we could redeem it by loan with redemption right) and because he had two great seasons at Parma. We paid 20 million Marotta's favorite price. The first choices were Van Persie, Cavani, Sanchez, Higuain and every time the society did not buy them because too expensive. We could have bought Higuain for 40 million from Real and 3 years after we paid 90 million (Marotta is a genius ...)
Today Juventus excluded the defense and Marchisio is completely different from Conte's Juventus. Dybala and Higuain are definitely not Matri and Vucinic and do not forget Pjanic, Alex Sandro, Cuadrado, Khedira, Mandzukic, Benatia, etc ..
Conte had a very short rose at Juventus the situation luckily is completely different today. Juventus B would win the Italian championship against Roma and Napoli without difficulties.Juventus leadership realized that had to spend after Conte's goodbye,they probably realized that without the Conte's effect it was necessary to invest.

[Leif 6,006]

No club in Italy seems to have as many romantic & gentlemenly supporters as Juve, and no league retains the charm Serie A does. You guys are so likeable, why do you have to be cursed with 12+ Serie B contenders

Remember PSG, Gala, Napoli fans on here? & I've never read a post by a Barcelona or Real supporter that made me think they weren't a robot. Munich & Dortmund fans have no reason to go anywhere so we don't seem to see them even by accident, I guess because they've no reason to look abroad to other entertaining leagues, they have it all.

Fucking Juve. Pretty much every Juve legend is suave as fuck too. A great Juventuz forum even has a blog full of authentic Italian recipes taken from wherever their team travel that week. 

[Dahnald 256]

6 hours ago, AverageOne said:

First of all, I apologize in advance for my english mistakes i surely will do writing this. I'm italian and juventus' supporter.
And I better clear I love Antonio Conte's way to play much much much more the Allegri's one.

I decided to write beacuse I read something partially right on what happened back in juventus days.

He took an average team to 3 Scudetto in a row, anyway the board and him never got on well.
After first Scudetto he pretended a team ready to fight for winning CL. Board had different plan. The plan was step by step, year after year.

In 2012 he was accused not to report a fixed game he was aware to, when in 2011 was Siena manager. 
He was charge with 10 months ban. He denied, he wanted the trial. Juventus wanted him on the guide as soon as possible, so persuaded him to "negotiate a plea bargain" (not sure if is correct in english). He did it and the ban was 4 months but Conte never forgave juventus board to make him look guilty.

As someone said before, his third year, lost in Istanbul on a pitch not good for rugby. Players had not enough self esteem to play CL at high level, not Conte fault then. That year juve had a really good team, one of the best in europe : buffon, bonucci, chiellini, barzagli, lichtsteiner, vidal, pirlo, pogba, asamoah, tevez, llorente/vucinic.

Here is where something starts going really bad.
Juve is in EL, that year final was gonna be played in Turin (at home)!! Juve easily went on semifinals, Benfica-Juve 2-1 and Juve-Benfica 0-0 meant no final.
One can say, yeah it can happen, right but the problem is players played those two matches tired, really tired because Conte wanted more than anything else to make more than 100 points in the league. He did it: 102, record likely will never be beaten.
The man pushed to much, that wasn't wise, everyone knew but him.

He wants 100% every match, from begging to end, wonderful to watch, I appreciate that, but has consequences.

At the end of the season rumors says he went to the board, said many player were old and after 3 years like those couldn't be at the same level (motivation and physical), so the next year he left the board two choices. 
1) another year with those old players and buy some top players to win CL  
2) sell the old players and restart with a new young team with no pressure from the board to win the league soon again.

He waited since July!! and then decided that the board (which was not agree with him old players couldnt continue some years at the same level) didnt make enough to figth for CL and left.
That year Juve bought Coman, Pereyra, Evra, Morata. Board went its way, step-by-step. What we know is that Evra and Morata were Conte's choiches. My speculation is that Conte got angry with the Morata affair. Juve bought Morata with 'recompra' clause meaning in his eyes juventus being a real madrid 'B team' not a contender.

Board pretended to, yeah, listen to Conte but then buy what they wanted. Conte wasn't always right, he wanted Giovinco back in Juventus (similar affair ManU-Pogba) for a lot of money and Giovinco never was good enough, and all juventus fans already knew that. 
After he left Juve made two CL finals in 3 years with the old players he said couldnt last some more years at the same level. 
Conte wasn't always rigth.

Conte and the board separated in the worst way possible.

Inter.
I do not think he'll move to Inter next year but...
1) He said once he's a professionist and will not be a problem to be even Inter's manager
2) He appreciate Sabatini and he wanted to bring him to Chelsea
3) Take revenge on Juventus' board.
4) a lot of money

I can tell you, if he'll stay to Chelsea this summer he'll pretend Morata and Naingollan or Vidal. Why am i sure?
He sometimes got obsessed with some players, for example he loved Giovinco, Giaccherini not two players at juventus level, and got angry when juve sold Giaccherini.

He's the best one but he think he's always right and no one is.

 

I do think that Conte will be very depressed if Allegri manages to win the Champions League with Juventus because it will completely overshadow Conte's achievements at Juventus. The popular opinion under Juve fans has become that "Conte was a flop in Europa and Allegri is better tactically." 

I disagree on that. Allegri is good but this is still Contes team for the most part and still his philosophy. 

 

I would also feel very betrayed by the Juventus board with the lazy way they handled Contes requests. Morata deal never made sense with that buy back clause. A buy back clause is kinda like letting a player go out on loan and recall him if he impresses. Something Morata did so Real activated the buy back clause  

Conte brought Juventus back to the very top on his own. If Conte never stepped in to manage you guys I think you would be on level with Milan and Inter nowadays. So yeah it's depressing to know that the Juventus board never rewarded Conte for his achievements by getting the players he wants. It's even more depressing to see that nowadays Juventus actually throw money around and buy Higuain for 90m and Pjanic for a lot of money from their direct competitors. 

 

And I think the same thing is going on at Chelsea because we don't have the best board around. We sacked a manager who won the double in his first season and finished second in his second season (Ancelotti), Di Matteo after the UCL win and Mourinho 2 times but that was justified. 

Mouringo got fucked over by our board in the summer of 2015 with the John Stones saga and also didn't get his requested targets. 

So only fair play to Conte for keeping our board on the edge because I wouldn't trust them either. They already have a poor image regarding backing managers and Conte of course has a bad history with it at Juve. 

 

We can only blame our board if he leaves us anytime soon. 

[Beigl 1,387]

Quote

"This season my expectation was a great challenge in this League against Manchester City, Manchester United, Tottenham, Arsenal and Liverpool. Next season for us it will be the same.
"But we have one year to work and then the possibility to go into the market and choose the right players on my idea of football."

He will stay. 

[mashimaru161 77]

1 hour ago, Beigl said:

He will stay. 

Of course he will stay :)) it was never a question, unless our board chooses to be a jerk intentionally, he will stay and try to compete for CL at least for one year. Inter milan currently is a mess, whoever manages them would need two or more years to settled, providing he has not been fired yet :))

[AlesJuve 264]

One day he will return to Italy we have a story to finish at Juventus. But for now and for the coming years he is the King of London at football level.

[the wes 7,212]

Conte hinted he could stay at Chelsea for long time 

http://www.espn.co.uk/football/chelsea/story/3123899/antonio-conte-eyes-chelsea-stay-for-many-years-amid-inter-links

[Jase 43,479]

 

[Pizy 18,934]

Would be super hype if the club announced a new contract for Conte on Saturday after we win the title. A nice, big fuck off to Inter!

[LAM09 7,058]

Would be super hype if the club announced a new contract for Conte on Saturday after we win the title. A nice, big fuck off to Inter!

He has a two year contract. Why would he want to leave for starters unless he's homesick (haven't heard anything)?

[BlueLyon 9,359]

On 9. 5. 2017 at 11:05 PM, Leif said:

Or he goes back to Juve. He'd have no reason to move on to a rival of ours; he's won the league and made the bond with us. It'd be really cool for him to go back if he had to leave us.
He isn't the PSG type, or Paris type, at all.
Barcelona wouldn't go for him.
But, Madrid won't have many options when Zidane's gone - who can we name right now? If i was their board and mulling over Zidane, the
only managers out there I'd like the look of & trust would be Conte and.. i'm struggling to think of anyone else at all.
He won't manage a Juve rival, and while he's romantic I doubt he'll manage a tiny team in Italy.
Then the only other club on this tier to choose from really is Bayern. It'd be a sensible but lacklustre move.

Regardless, he's got the greatest odds of any coach to last here up to 8 or so years imo.

Tbh I dont see Conte as man who would leave us for Real. Unless obviously things went south between our board, players and him. But as long he is doing good job and gets the support, I can see him for a while. Certainly until he completes his mission here, I dont see him leaving as soon as Real calls.

[Dahnald 256]

Class from Juventus 

 

 

[DYC. 7,542]

To lead a team from 10th to champions is a stupendous achievement. Simply stupendous. His hand is clearly visible in this team.

Let's hope for even better next season. But now, the FA Cup final.

I want to see Gunner tears.

[Milan 17,959]

[MefiX19 1,092]

What a man

[Dahnald 256]

 

[Johnnyeye 7,510]

14 minutes ago, Dahnald said:

Class from Juventus 

 

 

class act, hope they win the Champions League