The Mourinho Thread

[Roquila 1,335]

Lets say as of now he has left the club, who would you want in/or think can lead the club to more glory?

Well, since it's hard to get any worse i would like Roman to appoint a young and hungry manager with an attacking mind, and actually have patience on him.

[Tomo 21,751]

There's no facts that say he's even waging in personal battles. That's all created. Has any player come out and say they disagree with what Mourinho has said about them? Did we see Hazard throwing a fit? Did we see Baba crying because Jose has no confidence in him? Do we see Loftus-Cheek say he's being treated unfairly? Maybe, just maybe, Hazard will work harder to prove to Mourinho that he's better. Maybe we'll see Baba working harder to be a more solid defender. Maybe we'll see Loftus-Cheek track back more.

It's just another article making Mourinho out to be a ruthless dressing room tyrant and the players poor little victims.

To add to it, when the players ran riot under AVB these same people were banging on about how much of a bad example we were letting players have control and how a manager should always have full control of the team and even stick the boot in occasionally, now we've got that they are screaming and shouting about the players getting disrespected.

Criticised for having player power, now we have a manager in charge fully people basically saying we should return to those days

[Tomo 21,751]

As another poster said.

We sold our future for a league title.

How exactly?

We were signing some good young players circa 10-13 yes, but there was absolutely no balance to the signings, we entered 12-13 with our squad in a similar position to Holland's now, good players under 24 and over 30 but no one in their prime, well Ramires maybe.

If we kept the transfer policy of 10-13 to this very day I can almost guarantee we wouldn't have won a league title or come close too any time soon, we would have been the second coming of Liverpool's 'spice boys', in fact for that short spell of Di Matteo here full time that's exactly what we were.

[Blue Armour 4,448]

To add to it, when the players ran riot under AVB these same people were banging on about how much of a bad example we were letting players have control and how a manager should always have full control of the team and even stick the boot in occasionally, now we've got that they are screaming and shouting about the players getting disrespected.

Criticised for having player power, now we have a manager in charge fully people basically saying we should return to those days

Basically, at that time Drogba, Lampard and Terry were the old to-be-discarded toys, while AVB was the shiny new one.

Now its Mourinho in the former role, and the current squad in the latter.

[quickpassnmove 924]

Maurizio Sarri at Napoli is probably a much more interesting manager story so far this season: https://provenquality.com/napoli-full-of-potential-as-maurizio-sarris-formation-change-reaps-dividends/

more recent: http://www.football-italia.net/74500/sarri-napoli-remain-realistic

[the wes 7,212]

Chelsea manager Jose Mourinho still believes his side can win the quadruple of Champions League, Premier League, FA Cup and League Cup this season, despite a poor start to their campaign.(Daily Express) is mourinho for real here

[kmk108 1,186]

That's your view and so, fair enough. But Fabregas is the certainly the worst for me if we exclude defenders. That guy can't even tackle or bother to put in the shift to save his life.

The thing is, are others even doing enough offensively to justify their place in the squad? No. The fact that we're currently winning based on luck (almost) and we leaving our best attacker out is daft. I also don't buy this nonsense that just because Mourinho is our manager, we have to accept the fact he asks our attackers to defend a lot. In a way, yes simply because he's in charge at the moment but with a mindset like that (preference of defending more than attacking), we'll never progress to the next level and be alongside the likes of Real Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern Munich etc.

No one will be daft enough to come and criticize Mourinho but that doesn't mean the players are happy behind closed doors. Mourinho's obsession of always taking the aggressive approach in handling players (or even the referees, the club etc) is tiresome, predictable and history has shown that approach does more harm than good to the team/club.

I'm not arguing that Fabregas isn't shit. He deserves to be playing with the reserves, but looking at the statistics, he's done more defensively than Hazard. That's mostly because he's got more of a defensive duty than Hazard, but he is doing more.

Someone else said it, but we don't know how these players are responding to the aggressive comments by Mourinho. It may not have worked elsewhere but every team is different. Time will tell, but Hazard has responded well to it before, so I'm inclined to believe it'll work again.

And while I don't think Fabregas and Ivanovic deserve to be playing, him not calling them out like Hazard and Matic may be purely down to personality types. Fabregas and Ivanovic may be players that wilt under scrutiny, while Hazard may be a player with a big enough ego to positively respond to it.

[kmk108 1,186]

Chelsea manager Jose Mourinho still believes his side can win the quadruple of Champions League, Premier League, FA Cup and League Cup this season, despite a poor start to their campaign.(Daily Express) is mourinho for real here

We're still in all competitions. I'd rather my manager believe we'll win everything possible until it's not mathematically possible than concede defeat 2 months into the season.

[Roquila 1,335]

How exactly?

We were signing some good young players circa 10-13 yes, but there was absolutely no balance to the signings, we entered 12-13 with our squad in a similar position to Holland's now, good players under 24 and over 30 but no one in their prime, well Ramires maybe.

If we kept the transfer policy of 10-13 to this very day I can almost guarantee we wouldn't have won a league title or come close too any time soon, we would have been the second coming of Liverpool's 'spice boys', in fact for that short spell of Di Matteo here full time that's exactly what we were.

We sold the likes of KDB , Mata and Lukaku while signing Salah, Cuadrado and Falcao.

Look at KDB , Mata and Lukaku now and look at the players we signed.....

Jose destroyed the squad completely, instead of trying to build a squad around what he had he decided to literally KICK these players out with his ego.

Who is our future now? Terry,Cahill,Ivanovic,Ramires,Mikel,Cuadrado,Falcao,Moses,Fabregas,Willian,Oscar? It's looking grim.

[Blue Armour 4,448]

We sold the likes of KDB , Mata and Lukaku while signing Salah, Cuadrado and Falcao.

Look at KDB , Mata and Lukaku now and look at the players we signed.....

Jose destroyed the squad completely, instead of trying to build a squad around what he had he decided to literally KICK these players out with his ego.

Who is our future now? Terry,Cahill,Ivanovic,Ramires,Mikel,Cuadrado,Falcao,Moses,Fabregas,Willian,Oscar? It's looking grim.

We sold KDB, Mata and Lukaku , the likes of players who didn't want to stay and play second fiddle unlike the likes of Nasri at City.

It was either KDB or Oscar, and while you could argue we let the better player go, you cannot group him with Lukaku and Mata. Lukaku was aiming for the no.1 striker role, a role which he could not be afforded without being thoroughly tested. Neither did he show the same potential as KDB. Mata is quality but he's a finished product at 27 years and not budding potential, judging from the way you grouped him together with KDB and Lukaku.

And when you mention our current future, I see you have conveniently left out Courtois, Matic and Azpilicueta who were very much part of the core of the team last season. You don't need more than 4-5 players to realistically form a spine to a good team. We managed quite well with Drogba, Cech, Lampard and Terry over the years. All we needed was to surround them with quality and not necessarily budding potential to be called the 'future of Chelsea.'

[Tomo 21,751]

We sold the likes of KDB , Mata and Lukaku while signing Salah, Cuadrado and Falcao.

Look at KDB , Mata and Lukaku now and look at the players we signed.....

Jose destroyed the squad completely, instead of trying to build a squad around what he had he decided to literally KICK these players out with his ego.

Who is our future now? Terry,Cahill,Ivanovic,Ramires,Mikel,Cuadrado,Falcao,Moses,Fabregas,Willian,Oscar? It's looking grim.

Umm so you forget to mention Courtois, Matic, Hazard, Cesar, Costa? On that list we got the second best keeper in the world, one of the best DM when on form, arguably the 3rd best player in the world, the best fullback in the world and one of the best strikers, look a really grim, doesn't it?

And how did he "destroy" the squad? He inherited an unbalanced mess of a squad, to which he added world class reinforcements on a minimul net spend, any other manager in world football would get praised to high hills for that.

So we kept KDB, Mata and Lukaku, I'm guessing your front 3 behind the forward would be Mata, Hazard and KDB? That's a spice boy front 3 if ever I seen one.

[11Drogba 2,000]

Maurizio Sarri at Napoli is probably a much more interesting manager story so far this season: https://provenquality.com/napoli-full-of-potential-as-maurizio-sarris-formation-change-reaps-dividends/

more recent: http://www.football-italia.net/74500/sarri-napoli-remain-realistic

“At the end of the game, Eto’o came up to me and said he was honoured to meet me,” explained Sarri.

“I naturally asked if he was taking the… Then he said that he really loved the way my team plays. He was very humble and made a wonderful impression on me.

“I had to remind him… he’s Samuel Eto’o!”

http://www.football-italia.net/66874/sarri-etoo-taking

[Blue_Fox_ 2,086]

A lot of the ones I know cannot be arsed with online forums and having to deal with OTT reactionary postings and keyboard warriors who would debate 'black was white' until the cows come home.

Dude, that's how i felt in the last few weeks and i only joined the forum in July.

[quickpassnmove 924]

this story could get very ugly if someone decides to say the next wrong thing --as soon as THIS WEEK.

Should be fun.

I want Hazard to stay; I don't care where Jose goes FFS.

[Jase 43,479]

http://www.fifa.com/ballon-dor/news/y=2015/m=10/news=men-s-football-shortlists-for-fifa-ballon-d-or-2015-revealed-2719188.html

Mourinho in the running for FIFA World Coach of the Year award.

[Johnnyeye 7,510]

http://www.fifa.com/ballon-dor/news/y=2015/m=10/news=men-s-football-shortlists-for-fifa-ballon-d-or-2015-revealed-2719188.html

Mourinho in the running for FIFA World Coach of the Year award.

Luis Enrique will most likely win it, the fact that he won the treble with Barcelona will be taken into account.

[Jase 43,479]

I'm not arguing that Fabregas isn't shit. He deserves to be playing with the reserves, but looking at the statistics, he's done more defensively than Hazard. That's mostly because he's got more of a defensive duty than Hazard, but he is doing more.

Stats do not always tell the whole story. Anybody can use them to suit their argument. If we go through the matches, we can easily find Fabregas not doing his defensive work right.

Someone else said it, but we don't know how these players are responding to the aggressive comments by Mourinho. It may not have worked elsewhere but every team is different. Time will tell, but Hazard has responded well to it before, so I'm inclined to believe it'll work again.

We don't know how these players are responding to the aggressive comments by Mourinho? He's been criticizing the players for some time now and we have yet to see any real improvement from them. Their performances are showing they aren't responding to Mourinho's comments. Also, why does Mourinho always have to take an aggressive approach to get a response from his players? Why does he have make those comments in the public? You can't tell me that a softer approach and telling the players what they aren't doing right behind closed doors (especially with the mess we're in now) wouldn't yield a positive result. You don't see Fergie criticizing players in the public to galvanize them, certainly not as often as Mourinho.

And while I don't think Fabregas and Ivanovic deserve to be playing, him not calling them out like Hazard and Matic may be purely down to personality types. Fabregas and Ivanovic may be players that wilt under scrutiny, while Hazard may be a player with a big enough ego to positively respond to it.

Said this yesterday, I don't really buy into that notion. Regardless of your personality, if you're mentally strong enough, you should be able to accept criticism and use it as a motivation to get better.

[Roquila 1,335]

Umm so you forget to mention Courtois, Matic, Hazard, Cesar, Costa? On that list we got the second best keeper in the world, one of the best DM when on form, arguably the 3rd best player in the world, the best fullback in the world and one of the best strikers, look a really grim, doesn't it?

And how did he "destroy" the squad? He inherited an unbalanced mess of a squad, to which he added world class reinforcements on a minimul net spend, any other manager in world football would get praised to high hills for that.

So we kept KDB, Mata and Lukaku, I'm guessing your front 3 behind the forward would be Mata, Hazard and KDB? That's a spice boy front 3 if ever I seen one.

Yes, Thibo is the second best keeper in the world but what about the other players ?

I personally don't think Hazard is the 3rd best player in the world. Messi, Ronaldo, Neymar, Suarez, Reus, Bale, Sanchez are above him at the moment IMO. Still, when on his day, he's unstoppable, unfortunately these days are getting rare this season.

I had high hopes after the 2012-2013 season because we signed alot of young players and showed some good attacking performances. I still think we only won the title last year because everyone was shit and we somehow kept winning matches we shouldn't have. But still, I enjoyed celebrating it.

A front 4 of Mata, Hazard, KDB and Lukaku is suicidal but it gives you alot of room to tinker. We directly sold Mata to Manchester United and he is showing good form for quite some time now. KDB ended up at City and this will haunt us back. Lukaku has yet to prove himself but it doesn't look that bad for him.

Cezar is one of the best 1on1 defenders in the world but is as useful as Torres in attack.

Matic is out of form for a long time, i won't comment on him because i'm kinda biased.

[stroey 2,525]

Umm so you forget to mention Courtois, Matic, Hazard, Cesar, Costa? On that list we got the second best keeper in the world, one of the best DM when on form, arguably the 3rd best player in the world, the best fullback in the world and one of the best strikers, look a really grim, doesn't it?

And how did he "destroy" the squad? He inherited an unbalanced mess of a squad, to which he added world class reinforcements on a minimul net spend, any other manager in world football would get praised to high hills for that.

So we kept KDB, Mata and Lukaku, I'm guessing your front 3 behind the forward would be Mata, Hazard and KDB? That's a spice boy front 3 if ever I seen one.

Exactly, he is very good at creative accounting and he also let out ZOUMA.

Tibo, Zouma, Cesar, Matic, (RLC) Cesc, Willian, Eden, Diego looks bright enough for me.

If you complain about selling a 27yo Mata I would say we now have a much more complete 27yo player in Willian, or a same type of player in Cesc.

Lukaku didn't want to be a back up, so now we have Diego.

KDB yes it's a big loss, Jose gambled on Oscar and lost.

[lucio 5,418]

about lukaku , he didn't want to compete. but at the start of 13/14 , jose used torres , ba , and even schurrle ahead of him. when he was clearly our best option. so i don't blame him for not trusting jose. he was overlooked because of his age.