The Mourinho Thread

[Fulham Broadway 17,337]

Mate - C'mon seriously - I normally agree with you 100%, but this is Jose's own fault - he knows the rules, he knows the FA are hot on punishing him and he blamed the referee for the failure! Which on closer analysis was complete and utter bollocks as Southampton could have had 2 penalties.

The reason Wenger gets away with it - is because he doesn't launch into a 7 minute rant.

Fergie had the same problem - the trouble for Mourinho is all the bullshit that's come before is ever present and the FA like nothing better than him opening his mouth - why? Because it equals pay day for them - another £60k in the bank!

Mourinho needs to smarten up and not be so sloppy in front of the cameras - if he had ACTUALLY told the truth - that his shit man management and team selection where to blame - he would not be getting charged. However, he palmed his failure off onto the referree - amateur mistake from a seemingly amateur (of late) manager... Some might call it Karma

But as you say -the FA see Chelsea as a cash cow, regardless of what he said. Its not just Mourinho, Chelsea get harsher treatment from the FA period. Just because Wenger didnt speak for 7 minutes, and just because maybe Saints should have had 2 pens, doesnt detract from the fact Wenger in effect said exactly the same yet gets away with it.

[Fernando 6,585]

But as you say -the FA see Chelsea as a cash cow, regardless of what he said. Its not just Mourinho, Chelsea get harsher treatment from the FA period. Just because Wenger didnt speak for 7 minutes, and just because maybe Saints should have had 2 pens, doesnt detract from the fact Wenger in effect said exactly the same yet gets away with it.

Well if the FA where out to get us they should have hit Mourinho with a major ban/fine against the Eva fiasco.

[Fulham Broadway 17,337]

Well if the FA where out to get us they should have hit Mourinho with a major ban/fine against the Eva fiasco.

They couldnt, it was adjudicated by an independent body.

[xPetrCechx 13,575]

Wenger pushed Jose - Nothing.

Wenger talked about refs - Nothing.

[Fernando 6,585]

They couldnt, it was adjudicated by an independent body.

That wouldn't stop it.

The same was done to Terry on the racist thing.

The regular law find him not guilty but the FA did.

If you believe your conspiracy theory that your obviously throwing right now, such thing would not stop the FA from hurting us.

[Belgiannutt 3,201]

I wish he had replaced fabregas and ivanovic because I am confident that the results would have been the same or worse.

Because the evidence says that one or two player tweaks doesn't make that much of a difference: like I said before Mikel played instead and alongside Matic and guess what the results were? Terry played and was left out without much of a difference really.

We have our own preferences and dislikes, but if you don't see tha the problems go Beyond team selection, then imo you don't know why we are losing which partly explains the hate against Jose.

Fans tend to believe in the quick short term fix: fix the confidence... Replace the manager... Sub this or that player... It's never that simple.

We are in a deficit compared to almost all the other teams in the pl and cl. We are slower, weaker, and less sharp. That's what we have to fix first.

Unfortunately it's s lot easier said than done.

Ofcourse its not that simple. Regardless of what happens now be it players getting dropped or Mourinho getting sacked it's gonna take time to get out of this mess.

Indeed, replacing Ivanovic or Fabregas isn't going to magically fix things, but their constant selection is a problem that has a deeper influence on the team then some on here seem to realize.

It's clear that Mourinho is using double standards to decide who gets dropped and who gets to play. A different set of rules seem to apply to Ivanovic/Fabregas and the rest of the team.

If the majority of the fans can see that Ivanovic and Fabregas are getting treated differently don't you think that the players themselves can see it too ?

The players have to be wondering: Why did Terry, Matic get dropped yet Ivanovic and Fabregas keep their place ? Why does everyone else get dropped apart from them ? Hazard and Schurrle got publicly criticised and singled out in the past for not tracking their man yet Fabregas has done it 2 games in a row yet he isn't being singled out, publicly criticised or being dropped.

How can you expect the team to be a unified front when as a manager you treat 1 set of players differently then the others ?

[Fulham Broadway 17,337]

That wouldn't stop it.

The same was done to Terry on the racist thing.

The regular law find him not guilty but the FA did.

If you believe your conspiracy theory that your obviously throwing right now, such thing would not stop the FA from hurting us.

So you reckon chelsea get treated the same as everyone else. Laughable.

[Laylabelle 9,536]

I don't buy into the whole conspiracy just double standards.The Jt thing seemed to prove a point/give into pressure.If a court found it inconclusive how they decided nahh was daft

[GodZola 630]

Mate - C'mon seriously - I normally agree with you 100%, but this is Jose's own fault - he knows the rules, he knows the FA are hot on punishing him and he blamed the referee for the failure! Which on closer analysis was complete and utter bollocks as Southampton could have had 2 penalties.

The reason Wenger gets away with it - is because he doesn't launch into a 7 minute rant.

Fergie had the same problem - the trouble for Mourinho is all the bullshit that's come before is ever present and the FA like nothing better than him opening his mouth - why? Because it equals pay day for them - another £60k in the bank!

Mourinho needs to smarten up and not be so sloppy in front of the cameras - if he had ACTUALLY told the truth - that his shit man management and team selection where to blame - he would not be getting charged. However, he palmed his failure off onto the referree - amateur mistake from a seemingly amateur (of late) manager... Some might call it Karma

Think your missing the point here, I'm pretty sure José knew this was coming he said so much in his rant, however whether its 7 minutes or 7 seconds & you cross the line you should expect a reprimand & Wenger got away with it again, simarly as he did with his push last season - you can be sure José would of been on a charge if he pushed Wenger! Let's not forget the FA's decision on Costa (fair enough) then let Angel Gabriel off after retaliating & apparently some on here think they show 'rationale' but just another way to vent their spleen.

The amount of hypocrites on this forum is embarrassing, a few years ago most were calling for 'stability' now that word is taboo & replaced with the new forum game clincher in 'identity' what an absolute crock of shit. If we were doing ok this season none of this would of been mentioned, its just we are going through our worst spell in years for a number of different reasons & yes José is very much part of that & make no mistake the stay of execution won't last long if things continue the way they are so that will please many, the board who also are far from blameless then bring in a new appointment that might just might turn things round but as soon as it goes sour the pessimist's will be on him like a rash....

We've had 18 years of success, the last decade or so the most successful team in the PL, eventually this situation was always going to happen as it had to Liverpool & more recently Utd & City will kop it at some point too, I hope we turn it round sooner rather than later but if it means we go backwards before moving forward & lose some of the glory hunters I'll take it.

Also this has been a very strange season with nobody showing consistency or taking the bull by the horns, its unlikely but if we put our shit together there's no reason why we cannot make the top 4 due to so many strange results.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Really lazy to come up with "player power" at this stage.

Completely irrational as well. We don't have anything even close to 'player power' in the team. In case anyone hasn't noticed, Jose has basically been running the squad like a dictatorship. Just ask Eva & Fearn or Lukaku or KDB about it. That's what he does. He's the military commander and he leads the troops to war.

The obvious difference between now and under AVB is that (some of) the players back then consciously and purposefully didn't want to give 100% for the team because they wanted the manager gone for their own sake at the expense of the best interest of the club. That is very obviously not the case now. No one is intentionally not giving 100%. We don't have power cliques in the team. We don't even have players with that type of personality. Practically everyone in the squad is a Mourinho man.

Continuing about that article, yes a player should be held accountable for his failures. But when an entire team is under-performing so badly and with no obvious ulterior motives, you have to look at exterior factors. You have to look at the management.

Yes, Jose is the most successful and decorated manager in the past decade, but that is irrelevant here. The question that should be asked is where does the best interest of the club lie? Will the sacking of Jose Mourinho improve the team and get us better results? Can another manager do better than he is doing?

[kmk108 1,186]

Really lazy to come up with "player power" at this stage.

It's not "player power" in the sense that they're running the dressing room. It takes players with "a pair" to do that.

What the quote means is that, by blaming Jose, you're ignoring the fact that the players deserve blame in all of this as well.

[xPetrCechx 13,575]

Jose Mourinho insists Branislav Ivanovic will keep his place in the Blues side despite Baba Rahman’s presence.

With Chelsea’s defence struggling, many have called for Rahman to come in for Ivanovic but that is not currently an option for Mourinho. “Look, because Baba Rahman arrived in the last day, because he doesn’t know what it is to play in this kind of championship. “He had no pre-season with us. He needs time to learn, he needs time to adapt. “At the same time, every team, except Maccabi Tel Aviv, is a team of giants. And if you don’t have a minimum of five tall players good in the air, you are dead in set-pieces. “When I play Azpilicueta on the right and Baba Rahman on the left and I don’t play Ivanovic, I have only three, not even four. So we have to think about all the details. And I think about all the details.”

http://www.london24.com/sport/football/clubs/chelsea/mourinho_reveals_why_he_won_t_throw_new_boy_into_chelsea_defence_against_aston_villa_1_4258556

[lucio 5,418]

Jose Mourinho insists Branislav Ivanovic will keep his place in the Blues side despite Baba Rahman’s presence.

With Chelsea’s defence struggling, many have called for Rahman to come in for Ivanovic but that is not currently an option for Mourinho. “Look, because Baba Rahman arrived in the last day, because he doesn’t know what it is to play in this kind of championship. “He had no pre-season with us. He needs time to learn, he needs time to adapt. “At the same time, every team, except Maccabi Tel Aviv, is a team of giants. And if you don’t have a minimum of five tall players good in the air, you are dead in set-pieces. “When I play Azpilicueta on the right and Baba Rahman on the left and I don’t play Ivanovic, I have only three, not even four. So we have to think about all the details. And I think about all the details.”

http://www.london24.com/sport/football/clubs/chelsea/mourinho_reveals_why_he_won_t_throw_new_boy_into_chelsea_defence_against_aston_villa_1_4258556

Complains about lack of height.

Leaves out rlc , matic , mikel , zouma , papy ....

No excuses jose , drop iva or get out

[Laylabelle 9,536]

Has a week or so off so no excuse.we shouldnt be approaching villa same as every game we have so far.time to start and if don't now don't think we will.

Just don't see who get if did sack but guess if came to it find someone for a while till look again etc etc..but ain't there yet..

[Muzchap 8,966]

But as you say -the FA see Chelsea as a cash cow, regardless of what he said. Its not just Mourinho, Chelsea get harsher treatment from the FA period. Just because Wenger didnt speak for 7 minutes, and just because maybe Saints should have had 2 pens, doesnt detract from the fact Wenger in effect said exactly the same yet gets away with it.

Yes but it's a totting up process.

Like the Police - first offence normally equals slap on the wrist or caution.

It's the fact that Jose is a constant offender and knows the rules - and in their eyes openly defies them. What else can they do?

I agree they are a complete bunch of arseholes - but read my post again - I'm saying Jose knows better and needs to up his fucking game and stop reacting so poorly. Why hand it to them on a plate - especially as he was factually incorrect!

That's my biggest problem - he was wrong about the referee - and now we (Chelsea) have consequences of HIS poor decision! So both on and off of the pitch his poor decisions are costing us!

[Pacquiao 1,834]

What an utter embarrassing post. I know Jason already replied to this message and warned you to not make posts like this but seriously are you actually taking the piss and claiming people do not have a valid reason for not wanting Jose out? After the Southampton match I said for the first time that I think it is time for him to go and that was not knee-jerk. It was based on a lot of things. However on the poll I voted as 'undecided' as I was not sure who is a better alternative at the moment. But how the fuck can you call people plastic when there is clearly valid reasons peoplle have gave for wanting him out. Maybe you are plastic for sucking up to Mourinho so much. Is that a fair conclusion?

Because short term he has always been a success, long term he has not and that is the question mark around whether it is heading the same direction here.

Most fans on his forum, including me were supporters of this club way before Jose came and we all want what is best for the club. Mourinho has done a lot for the club but he is not bigger than the club and even if left, we would move on. It is not the end of the world. What utter bullshit. You actually think people are clueless who have given reasons for wanting Mourinho out? How fuckin disrespectful. Majority of reasons I have seen for wanting Mourinho out is valid and fair. What if the poor form continues and shows no progress as it has been so far? We should just stick with him just because he has proven achievements.

We are effectively out of the title race with only 8 games played and that is not good enough.

You want Mourinho to stay.That is fine. Those who want Mourinho out are entitled to that opinion as well. Other managers have been sacked for worse form than this and Abramovich himself has sacked managers for much worse form. So was he plastic for doing that? We are 16th place right now and while the players have been poor, Mourinho is responsible for a lot of it. EG constantly picking underperforming players has cost us and in the end of the day a total lack of ideas with what the team is doing when they are playing ultimately has to lie with Mourinho as well. He is the manager.

LOL i think its just dawned on you that you are one of the people my post applies to, dont worry when the time is right i will let you know

[Muzchap 8,966]

Completely irrational as well. We don't have anything even close to 'player power' in the team. In case anyone hasn't noticed, Jose has basically been running the squad like a dictatorship. Just ask Eva & Fearn or Lukaku or KDB about it. That's what he does. He's the military commander and he leads the troops to war.

The obvious difference between now and under AVB is that (some of) the players back then consciously and purposefully didn't want to give 100% for the team because they wanted the manager gone for their own sake at the expense of the best interest of the club. That is very obviously not the case now. No one is intentionally not giving 100%. We don't have power cliques in the team. We don't even have players with that type of personality. Practically everyone in the squad is a Mourinho man.

Continuing about that article, yes a player should be held accountable for his failures. But when an entire team is under-performing so badly and with no obvious ulterior motives, you have to look at exterior factors. You have to look at the management.

Yes, Jose is the most successful and decorated manager in the past decade, but that is irrelevant here. The question that should be asked is where does the best interest of the club lie? Will the sacking of Jose Mourinho improve the team and get us better results? Can another manager do better than he is doing?

Great post Choulo

It's a conundrum - but I just can't see Jose turning it around - which is a shame. He has either regressed as a manager, or the world has moved on and left him behind - much like Capello.

Klopp to Loserpool is a bad thing for us - I would have given him a shot here.

Pep is obviously the finished article - but would he come here?

[Muzchap 8,966]

LOL i think its just dawned on you that you are one of the people my post applies to, dont worry when the time is right i will let you know

Hollow threat - people won't give one shit if we play attacking, winning football with an identity

However - winning the lottery 3 times in a row and being hit by lightning multiple times carries better odds right now than that of Mourinho changing anything.

[Stats 7,147]

LOL i think its just dawned on you that you are one of the people my post applies to, dont worry when the time is right i will let you know

Well it did not dawn on me as I never have made it vocal that I want Mourinho out. The first time I called for it was after the Saints game.

Going back to Mourinho as a whole anyway, I still think it was shameful what he done with Matic. Matic comes across to me as a strong character but that is a shitty way to treat someone. The thing that concerns me is that I think that decision was more personal rather than for football reasons. Almost like he wanted to humiliate him.

[Fulham Broadway 17,337]

Yes but it's a totting up process.

Like the Police - first offence normally equals slap on the wrist or caution.

It's the fact that Jose is a constant offender and knows the rules - and in their eyes openly defies them. What else can they do?

I agree they are a complete bunch of arseholes - but read my post again - I'm saying Jose knows better and needs to up his fucking game and stop reacting so poorly. Why hand it to them on a plate - especially as he was factually incorrect!

That's my biggest problem - he was wrong about the referee - and now we (Chelsea) have consequences of HIS poor decision! So both on and off of the pitch his poor decisions are costing us!

See what youre saying. We all know managers are generally gobshites, from Wengers "I deed not seee it" to Benitez' shrug followed by "hunbeleefable, but this is football"

Jose is prickly, a pantomine villain that the FA take seriously. Jose does know better, but a lot of his success is centred round being a Portuguese bad boy, cant see it changing, but its all an act as we know to deflect. Problem being now with the team is that the task is on the scale of turning round an oil tanker or deflecting an asteroid from earth.

If he does it, makes top four, he will have turned round our worst start since 1978 into one of footballs greatest stories. Lets give him a chance.