kmk108 1,186 Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 So what you are saying is different rules apply to Mourinho because he's Mourinho. Got it.That's not what he's saying at all. He's saying that the manager sets up everything, but it's up to the players to perform during the 90 minutes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DYC. 7,542 Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 That's not what he's saying at all. He's saying that the manager sets up everything, but it's up to the players to perform during the 90 minutes.I asked him a question and he said Mourinho's not to blame. Yet Ancelotti was.I just find some fans inconsistent in their reasoning. We apparently have Mourinho to thank for past succes but this is on the players. Fernando and killer1257 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucio 5,418 Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 He asked for it tbh telling the ref was shitHe was shit.... in favour of us.... Muzchap 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 19,377 Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 You do realise that just makes things harder for Ancelotti, which makes Mourinho's case worse.So what you are saying is different rules apply to Mourinho because he's Mourinho. Got it.That's not what I'm saying at all but since since you asked, yes, he should get more leeway than anyone else. God knows he's earned it with what he achieved.A couple more results like we've had and he should be gone which is what I've said for the past couple of days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionsden 4,689 Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 That's not what he's saying at all. He's saying that the manager sets up everything, but it's up to the players to perform during the 90 minutes.If this is the case, why fire any manager at all? Couldn't the same apply to every single manager that's ever been sacked due to poor performance in the history of football? Fernando and DYC. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurlyHairLikeLuiz 1,625 Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 The introduction of a single player cannot be the solution to this mess. It runs way deeper than simply dropping Ivanovich and fabregas and introducing rlc and baba.I believe there's a huge tactical and fitness issue with this team and the confidence is at an all time low.Rlc won't suddenly make us creative again nor will baba turn us into a clean sheet machine.When RLC and Ramires have played (and I'm not a Ramires fan, as didierforever will confirm) we have played much better. We haven't had the opportunity to see the team against proper opposition without Ivanovic, so therefore I won't comment on it. I also think Ramires is staying here - so Jose will train with him and he will likely play.But Matic is the start of the turning over. Subbing the sub was very harsh but Mourinho was right - he has been looking worse than Mikel lately, misplacing passes, getting bundled off the ball by players he steamrolled this time last season, and just looking rather stranded out there - and considering he made our midfield tick along with Oscar in the first half of 14/15 I'm imagining that Jose reckons that he's the first player who needs to restart, and asap.I'd imagine that unless the players play brilliantly for their NT, quite a few players will be getting dropped. I won't be risky enough to say that Iva will be dropped, but I'd imagine that with Cahill away with England our starting CBs will be JT and Zouma, who will remain at Cobham I believe. Maybe if Iva is awful with Serbia he will finally be dropped.Also we have missed Diego so much these last matches. FA punished us big style with this one - Falcao is a gimp and Remy looks toothless, more like a winger than a striker... Against Villa I might well bet he gets a hat trick, he will step up and is one of the leaders in the dressing room imo.Willian has stepped up. Fantastic so far this season. Kenedy should get a start, Hazard has run out of free passes imo.I expect (NT form depending) BegovicAzpi Zouma Terry Baba RLC RamiKenedy Oscar Willian COSTAIn my mind Jose has the next 2 games to turn things around (I'm going to both Villa and West Ham) and if he plays the same team then he can, quite frankly, fuck off. Blue_Fox_ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzchap 8,966 Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 Jose Mourinho charged for misconduct following comments made after Southampton match http://the-fa.com/28pgPe http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34449753?ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbc_match_of_the_day&ns_source=facebook&ns_linkname=sportSigh - next the conspiracy theory will be out in full swing - yet another thing to blame Iggy Doonican 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DYC. 7,542 Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 That's not what I'm saying at all but since since you asked, yes, he should get more leeway than anyone else. God knows he's earned it with what he achieved.A couple more results like we've had and he should be gone which is what I've said for the past couple of days.I understand that. He has credit. Deservedly so. But that doesn't mean you can't blame him.Saying the players have turned crap on him is too easy. An entire team doesn't decide to perform poorly just like that. Something is wrong. Iggy Doonican 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmk108 1,186 Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 I asked him a question and he said Mourinho's not to blame. Yet Ancelotti was.I just find some fans inconsistent in their reasoning. We apparently have Mourinho to thank for past succes but this is on the players.I don't know if you're saying he blames Ancelotti or not, because I haven't seen him say that (but I haven't been following your conversation). He doesn't say Mourinho isn't to blame. He says the players deserve more blame. There's a difference. It's not black and white. Pizy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! xPetrCechx 13,598 Posted October 5, 2015 Popular Post! Share Posted October 5, 2015 Why the FA didn't charge Wenger for his comments after the chelsea game? Blue_Fox_, 11Drogba, Viper22 and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmk108 1,186 Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 If this is the case, why fire any manager at all? Couldn't the same apply to every single manager that's ever been sacked due to poor performance in the history of football?Again, it's not blame the players or blame the manager. There's plenty of blame to go around. Still, Mourinho can't put the ball into the net. He can't keep the ball out of our net. That's up to the players and they're not doing their job. Essien19 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue_Fox_ 2,086 Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 Why the FA didn't charge Wenger for his comments after the chelsea game?#BunchofTwats 11Drogba and Johnnyeye 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 19,377 Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 I don't know if you're saying he blames Ancelotti or not, because I haven't seen him say that (but I haven't been following your conversation). He doesn't say Mourinho isn't to blame. He says the players deserve more blame. There's a difference. It's not black and white.Precisely. Mourinho is to blame for putting Ivanovic out there time and time again and continuing with Cesc when he's clearly hurting more than helping. His man-management hasn't been great either when he readily drops players like JT and Matić yet refuses to drop Iva. His stubbornness and unwillingness to play Baba Rahman (like Luis last season) is maddening.But how can people blame him for the form Hazard, Costa, Matic, Fabregas, Ivanovic, Terry, and Cahill are in? Have they all conspired together to collectively play poorly because they hate his tactics? They didn't have a problem with them last season. Irakozium257 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! CurlyHairLikeLuiz 1,625 Posted October 5, 2015 Popular Post! Share Posted October 5, 2015 http://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com/2015/10/5/9449017/on-jose-mourinho-and-the-perils-of-player-powerThis. Viper22, dUMB, kmk108 and 7 others 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! kmk108 1,186 Posted October 5, 2015 Popular Post! Share Posted October 5, 2015 http://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com/2015/10/5/9449017/on-jose-mourinho-and-the-perils-of-player-powerThis.However, there's another, perhaps even more important reason why the JoseOut campaign is a foolish one, and thats the message it sends: That the players can escape the consequences for their failings. Barbara, xPetrCechx, Viper22 and 9 others 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! Stats 7,230 Posted October 5, 2015 Popular Post! Share Posted October 5, 2015 Of course Jose won't be sacked! This mess isn't his fault! He is the best manager on the planet, hopefully the plastics will pipe down now! Jose and the players will turn this around and the clueless people who have been embarrassing themselves having meltdowns will be left feeling very stupid.What an utter embarrassing post. I know Jason already replied to this message and warned you to not make posts like this but seriously are you actually taking the piss and claiming people do not have a valid reason for not wanting Jose out? After the Southampton match I said for the first time that I think it is time for him to go and that was not knee-jerk. It was based on a lot of things. However on the poll I voted as 'undecided' as I was not sure who is a better alternative at the moment. But how the fuck can you call people plastic when there is clearly valid reasons peoplle have gave for wanting him out. Maybe you are plastic for sucking up to Mourinho so much. Is that a fair conclusion?Because short term he has always been a success, long term he has not and that is the question mark around whether it is heading the same direction here.Most fans on his forum, including me were supporters of this club way before Jose came and we all want what is best for the club. Mourinho has done a lot for the club but he is not bigger than the club and even if left, we would move on. It is not the end of the world. What utter bullshit. You actually think people are clueless who have given reasons for wanting Mourinho out? How fuckin disrespectful. Majority of reasons I have seen for wanting Mourinho out is valid and fair. What if the poor form continues and shows no progress as it has been so far? We should just stick with him just because he has proven achievements.We are effectively out of the title race with only 8 games played and that is not good enough.You want Mourinho to stay.That is fine. Those who want Mourinho out are entitled to that opinion as well. Other managers have been sacked for worse form than this and Abramovich himself has sacked managers for much worse form. So was he plastic for doing that? We are 16th place right now and while the players have been poor, Mourinho is responsible for a lot of it. EG constantly picking underperforming players has cost us and in the end of the day a total lack of ideas with what the team is doing when they are playing ultimately has to lie with Mourinho as well. He is the manager. Fernando, Hybrid Angel, LDN Blue and 10 others 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laylabelle 9,754 Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 Just dont see who can get if did sack him anyway.time to improve and they sodding well all need to players and management Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! Fulham Broadway 17,810 Posted October 5, 2015 Popular Post! Share Posted October 5, 2015 Hes been charged by the FA now for post Saints comments about refs....but it was fine for Wenger to slag off the ref after we beat them bluephoenix, The Mak, Viper22 and 6 others 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! Vytis33 1,408 Posted October 5, 2015 Popular Post! Share Posted October 5, 2015 The FA should just set up an office at Cobham already. The Mak, Fulham Broadway, Essien19 and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluephoenix 1,135 Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 Hes been charged by the FA now for post Saints comments about refs....but it was fine for Wenger to slag off the ref after we beat themPretty much sums our season so far, unlucky. Anti-Chelsea campaign. Johnnyeye, Fulham Broadway and Essien19 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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