Roman Abramovich Thread

[Fulham Broadway 16,831]

I have been going to SB and away for over 40 years. There is no doubt Abramovich has brought success to the club so the question you have to ask is whether you would forfeit all the trophies for a less autocratic rule ?. What you have to remember is that it's a capitalist World , and that includes football.

The sport represents and reinforces capitalism's relations of labour and production. We find a hierarchy of coaches, trainers, assistants, directors and owners. Players are given monetary values and then bought and sold.

Capitalism promotes the idea that return on investment must be made as quickly as possible and so footballers rather than being nurtured and cultivated are being bought and sold as mere commodities across the globe. This includes managers where Roman has enough spare cash to buy out contracts.This concept also applies to football clubs, and ownership has passed around without discrimination, from exiled and corrupt billionaires to debt-ridden American businessmen, the Premiership has already bankrupted more than a few football clubs with the promise of more to keep financial administrators busy.

With this set up the fans are an afterthought, so know your place. But forums are a good place to moan.

[NishC300 1,865]

(http://www.diminbeirut.typepad.com) FFS FERGUSON'S ONLY THERE because HE'S LIKE A POLITCIAN! UTD use his as a tool to remain powerful in England (Suarez, Viera). UTD is the most corrupt organisation in football!!!! Fergie is like an MP in the UK!!! Look at them David Gill and that bastard Mike Riley all fucking cunts!!! Fergie is there to make them more strong politically!! THAT IS ALL DAMN IT!!! FFS look at UTD play they never dominate a game! THey are always lucky!!! They just score randomn goals they concede less goals than they deserve!!! ALL A BUNCH OF BASTARDS!!!! FERGIE IS THERE FOR CORRUPTION!!

SO STOP BLOODY TALKING ABOUT FERGUSON!!! TALK ABOUT MOYES AND WENGER!!!

[RamiCFC9 258]

In the end : who's done more for Chelsea ? Roman or Robbie ? Ahaha pretty obvious.Iam actually dissapointed RDM wasn't long enough here for all people to see how massively out of depth was he.

[KonohasOrangeFlash 2,607]

Seriously, I'm getting tired of the Circle Jerk over stability. Look at Madrid. They have the same model as us (although ours is more drastic) and it has worked for both of us. So get over it.

[bluephoenix 1,126]

I have been going to SB and away for over 40 years. There is no doubt Abramovich has brought success to the club so the question you have to ask is whether you would forfeit all the trophies for a less autocratic rule ?. What you have to remember is that it's a capitalist World , and that includes football.

The sport represents and reinforces capitalism's relations of labour and production. We find a hierarchy of coaches, trainers, assistants, directors and owners. Players are given monetary values and then bought and sold.

Capitalism promotes the idea that return on investment must be made as quickly as possible and so footballers rather than being nurtured and cultivated are being bought and sold as mere commodities across the globe. This includes managers where Roman has enough spare cash to buy out contracts.This concept also applies to football clubs, and ownership has passed around without discrimination, from exiled and corrupt billionaires to debt-ridden American businessmen, the Premiership has already bankrupted more than a few football clubs with the promise of more to keep financial administrators busy.

With this set up the fans are an afterthought, so know your place. But forums are a good place to moan.

we have bought some big names and might buy some more in the jan transfer window... Roman has to think from a fan, owner, business man perspective and its not all easy.

The best thing is to always stick with the club... this has been stated umpteen number of times... and don't know how many more times its going to be said...

No one wants/wanted Rafael Benitez but he is the manager now... get over it ... just stay positive and support the lads in blue

cheers...

i think its getting pointless checking new threads... its like a branch of a master "Why Rafael Benitez"

I sincerely hope we win against City so that people focus less on Benitez and Roman

[Fulham Broadway 16,831]

The best thing is to always stick with the club... this has been stated umpteen number of times... and don't know how many more times its going to be said...

No one wants/wanted Rafael Benitez but he is the manager now... get over it ... just stay positive and support the lads in blue

cheers...

This is the nub of the matter. The clubs, owners, take the fans for granted -yet they would be nothing without mugs like us splashing the cash to go to games. People align themselves to a 'brand' and the owners invest because they know fans are 4 times more likely to get divorced than switch clubs/brands.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

The reaction was inevitable. The same kind of emotions that drove RA to sack RDM are causing all the hate towards him. It's just a matter of time before everyone settles down again and accepts Roman's decisions and Rafa's presence for that matter.

I do however think that Roman does need to be in sync with the fans more. And I do believe that the question of whether you would prefer RA and all the money and the trophies or the club being closer to the fans is a completely viable one.

[The only place to be 11,313]

Managerial stability certainly still happens. Barcelona had 2 managers for about a decade. Bayern has had 4 different full-time managers in the last 15 years. Klopp has been at Dortmund for years. Arsenal, ManU, Everton, and many other English teams have had a lot of stability. It's not just about sticking with a guy forever, it's about having reasonable expectations, giving the coach some breathing room, and not going crazy after every game where we drop points. We're actually having a batter season than anyone should have hoped for. We were 6th last season and we're third now and alive in all competitions. How does that deserve a sacking? Especially when you're just hiring another temporary manager in his place. It just doesn't make sense. It's clear that Roman never wanted to hire RDM, in which case he shouldn't have. To treat anyone like that, never mind a Chelsea legend, is an absolute joke.

Before Rijkaard, Barca had 6 managers between May 2000 and June 2003.

Before Klopp, Dortmund had 4 managers between June 2004 and May 2008.

Arsenal have stuck with Wenger for 7 years and won fuck all. Their fans have seen them sell their best players in each of the last two seasons whilst paying more each year for the privilege Six months ago our owner gave us one of the greatest nights of our lives.

Managerial stability exists, but you have to find the right manager first. Roman has tried to replace Mourinho but hasn't found the right guy, yet he's won Leagues, Cups and The Big One in the meantime.

It's easy to forget how hard it is to find the right manager for your club, and you can't simply give someone time if you think they're the wrong guy. Each managerial change makes sense in it's own way, including this one. What we need to understand is that Roman has the best interests of the club at heart (don't forget that he's a fan) and he wants Pep Guardiola to come in and build something special. HE will be the one who gets the time to build something because he's earned a level of trust.

And Roman and the board understand how the fans feel about Rafa Benitez. They aren't in a bunker or an ivory tower. But they recognise that of the available managers, he offered the most. That may well include a relationship with Torres, but he is still a £50 million investment that the club feels it has to maximise the value of, be it in contribution to the club or in a transfer fee in the summer.

[nachikethas 1,149]

i have no doubt we will win something every season no matter who coach us.and our old guards play really a big role for that all thanks to special one who made them. But now we have to be bit careful because we have a lot of yougplayers who haven't faced these kind of situation. We need an experienced coach for that but again sacking rdm is most the painful of all.

talking about the joke and all media situation i have only one word PREMIER LEAGUE. No league in the world gets more meda attention than PL. Even the local newspaper in my home town was making joke of roman which i couldn't believe.no one pays attention to other clubs managerial changes in other leagues

but more im concerned is the whole racism issues and other stupid respons from ower board and fans. Making stupid allegations against referee Not giving support for sturidge and giving plenty for that shit torres is not joke its disgusting.hope everything gets over someday and we properly debate about football.

So here is for a better dawn.

[nachikethas 1,149]

sry double post

[manco 38]

Real Madrid twice sacked managers immediately after winning the CL. Doesn't make it OK.

Firing AVB and Scolari was necessary, Firing RDM was not...A month ago we were 1st and scored 4 VS Spurs, so he

can't be that bad (besides he won us the CL and he's a club legend). I think that if something needs a change it's the boardroom/staff - Gourlay, Buck, Emenalo etc.

When Kenyon was here it worked a lot diffidently, as I still remember what they did to Wilkins...

[Muzchap 8,966]

As has been said - Managerial stability is NO guarantee of Success.... Reference: Arsenal...

Unfortunately for RDM - he was always 2nd choice and nobody in the Board, really believed he had the ability to take the team forward. In all honesty, I have to say I agree with them - my heart hoped he would, my mind said otherwise.

We basically found ourselves in the same position as WBA. No defence, no Plan B - no tactics and it wasn't great... We basically relied on Mata, Oscar and Hazard to win us games, not formations or tactics, just individual brilliance - and when the guys could no longer sustain this (as is reasonable) - we started slipping up... And then the players were attacked for poor performances... But it's clear to see we had little organisation, no defined way of playing and no way to break down a tough opponent.

So - say what you want about RA - but his responsibility is to give CFC the best tools at their disposal, unfortunately, RDM was a square peg in a round hole.

I am truly sorry for RDM - and if he could have stayed Assistant Manager, and learnt from someone more experienced that would have been an ideal situation, but unfortunately life is not like that.

[Muzchap 8,966]

Real Madrid twice sacked managers immediately after winning the CL. Doesn't make it OK.

Firing AVB and Scolari was necessary, Firing RDM was not...A month ago we were 1st and scored 4 VS Spurs, so he

can't be that bad (besides he won us the CL and he's a club legend). I think that if something needs a change it's the boardroom/staff - Gourlay, Buck, Emenalo etc.

When Kenyon was here it worked a lot diffidently, as I still remember what they did to Wilkins...

Did it get results? Yes... Then there is your answer.... Stop confusing sentiment with desire to win AT ALL COSTS...

That's why Schumacher raped Damon Hill - Damon Hill wasn't prepared to risk everything to win... like Wenger @ Arsenal... So RA decisions are not liked by all, but at least the guy stands by his decisions and if it doesn't work out he changes it - not bumbles on for 7+ years without a trophy...

Football is about results - RDM couldn't produce, so we got lucky in the first few games - but since then we have been COMPREHENSIVELY beaten and outclassed tactically by ANY GOOD opponents and especially in Europe where we were traditonally strong...

If you can't understand that, then your RDM bias is dialled on 'Overdrive'.... please reduce.

[Bosnian Blue 2,471]

I remember you Tomo just over a year ago saying that AVB could be our very own Ferguson.

[manpe 10,861]

I have been going to SB and away for over 40 years. There is no doubt Abramovich has brought success to the club so the question you have to ask is whether you would forfeit all the trophies for a less autocratic rule ?. What you have to remember is that it's a capitalist World , and that includes football.

The sport represents and reinforces capitalism's relations of labour and production. We find a hierarchy of coaches, trainers, assistants, directors and owners. Players are given monetary values and then bought and sold.

Capitalism promotes the idea that return on investment must be made as quickly as possible and so footballers rather than being nurtured and cultivated are being bought and sold as mere commodities across the globe. This includes managers where Roman has enough spare cash to buy out contracts.This concept also applies to football clubs, and ownership has passed around without discrimination, from exiled and corrupt billionaires to debt-ridden American businessmen, the Premiership has already bankrupted more than a few football clubs with the promise of more to keep financial administrators busy.

With this set up the fans are an afterthought, so know your place. But forums are a good place to moan.

The best thought out post I've seen regarding the current state of economics and how that transcribes to football :tophat:

[Krypt 241]

I remember you Tomo just over a year ago saying that AVB could be our very own Ferguson.

To be honest alot of us did , we gave him more of a chance than anybody because of his hype.

I am afraid it will always be like this the only person i could see being our long term manager is Jose , but he would be mad to come back here.

We just need to accept it now and concentrate on just supporting the players because thats who we are paying to see , not the bloke in the dugout.

[AndersonBLUE 819]

Would you guys prefer to support teams like Arsenal? Good stability and no trophies? I've supported Chelsea all my life and will continue to do so. We are used to the managerial circus at Stamford Bridge, but we have always gained something in the process of doing so.

[Liquidator 5,176]

In the end : who's done more for Chelsea ? Roman or Robbie ? Ahaha pretty obvious.Iam actually dissapointed RDM wasn't long enough here for all people to see how massively out of depth was he.

Wanting to see a Chelsea legend fail? How lovely of you.