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1 hour ago, DDA said:

Was a little tounge in cheek... the more I see clips of Raphiniha, he reminds me more of Mahrez than Ziyech.

Tbh I'm a little confused by the comparisons.

From what I've seen of Raphina he likes to operate the half spaces whereas Ziyech is at his best when he's outwide launching heroballs into the box.

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Ziyech is at his best when he’s already in position to deliver the ball. He’s more of a stationary player. He struggles quite a bit in a Chelsea shirt at getting the ball deeper in midfield and carrying it forward and he is so lightweight that he has been getting bullied and struggles to dribble past defenders.

Raphinha on the other hand is a great ball carrier and will help your team press from the front. 

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1 hour ago, Tomo said:

Tbh I'm a little confused by the comparisons.

From what I've seen of Raphina he likes to operate the half spaces whereas Ziyech is at his best when he's outwide launching heroballs into the box.

Found Ziyech extremely frustrating to watch. Those heroballs were embarrassing at times.

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Someone will need to elaborate the significance of this? There has been FFP issues hinted at with no specifics?

 

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8 minutes ago, ZAPHOD2319 said:

Someone will need to elaborate the significance of this? There has been FFP issues hinted at with no specifics?

 

Sounds more like something has been treated incorrectly for tax purposes as opposed specifically for FFP.

I think according to the reports, Boehly kept £100m of the purchase price aside because there were a couple of issues found with the finances/taxes owed but the expectation is these issues are a fraction of the £100m currently withheld.

I think certainly if the club have informed HMRC and the FA regarding this, I don't see it being a massive issue if it's been declared and any tax owing is paid up. It would be far more problematic if something was picked up first by HMRC or the FA in our finances.

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Also realistically you'd think if the issue was that big, Boehly very easily could have walked away from the deal. 

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17 minutes ago, ZAPHOD2319 said:

Someone will need to elaborate the significance of this? There has been FFP issues hinted at with no specifics?

 

I don't think this is a suggestion of FFP issues specifically. The new owners are alerting HMRC that something does not look right with the tax paid or collected (VAT). Most likely it's some question about tax treatment of the incomes of big earners. We'll probably hear more details at some point.

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8 hours ago, ZAPHOD2319 said:

Someone will need to elaborate the significance of this? There has been FFP issues hinted at with no specifics?

 

Honestly does anyone even care about a Times article? They've been publishing shit about the club takeover even before it happened. Including about how Roman would hold the club ransom. All proven false. Feels like they have a rival club worm penning articles for them 

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De Ligt has apprantly told Juve he wants to leave. Will still be difficult as he has two years left, however he is a player we should take a serious look at. 

I think we have a few players Juve would be interested in, Jorgi and Ziyech. Could potentially package a deal, even if they're done separately (as straight swaps/money+player are rare.) 

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I don’t think United will be able to resist the temptation of reuniting De Ligt with De Jong under Ten Hag. It would be the classic Man United signing where they overpay like mad on a big name.

Just can’t see us paying £70-90m on any CB.

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17 minutes ago, Pizy said:

I don’t think United will be able to resist the temptation of reuniting De Ligt with De Jong under Ten Hag. It would be the classic Man United signing where they overpay like mad on a big name.

Just can’t see us paying £70-90m on any CB.

Unless they make him the best earner in the team no chance he goes there to play in Europa League.

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26 minutes ago, Pizy said:

I don’t think United will be able to resist the temptation of reuniting De Ligt with De Jong under Ten Hag. It would be the classic Man United signing where they overpay like mad on a big name.

Just can’t see us paying £70-90m on any CB.

There's talk that Juventus might take €70-80m in the knowledge that he won't be extending as next summer they'll struggle to get more than €40-50m.

If Sevilla are valuing Kounde at €60-70m, I think De Ligt is the better option on paper, because I think it opens up doors to possibly only needing to bring one centre back in this summer.

Kounde I cannot see playing anywhere but RCB but I think with De Ligt he would be capable and comfortable playing across the backline. We need someone that can reliably rotate this season with Silva in the middle which I think he can do, and I think he would be earmarked as Silva's long term replacement (assuming we carry on with a back 3). He would likely come in as first choice LCB initially but could rotate there with Colwill. I'd have no issues to be honest going into next season with Chalobah as the starting RCB so long as he continues to develop. It says something that Tuchel started him in both finals against Liverpool and he performed well in both games.

If we also buy Clauss who we're linked with we also then have a genuine RWB option to rotate with Reece which allows him to fill in at RCB in some games too.

I also still wouldn't be surprised to see us play hardball and keep Azpi too in a utility role. His experience could still be crucial next year as when Silva doesn't play, that backline becomes extremely young.

As I've mentioned before it's not about getting signings in this summer, it's getting the right ones. If De Ligt is Tuchel's preferred signing at the back but he's a bit more expensive but a deal can still be done, then make it. Especially if Tuchel is then comfortable with finding solutions in other positions possibly in house. I'd rather one top signing and an academy prospect over two mid signings. And who knows, if Tuchel has to show some reliance next season on Chalobah and Colwill he might end up pleasantly surprised and the club suddenly isn't as desperate for defensive signings anymore.

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Is it true De Ligts salary is at £200,000 p/w? If so then it shouldnt be that much of a problem, because I would think with the contract renewals for Reece and Mount that they would ask for a salary somewhere around Chilwell's?

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10 minutes ago, chelsea_4_eva said:

Is it true De Ligts salary is at £200,000 p/w? If so then it shouldnt be that much of a problem, because I would think with the contract renewals for Reece and Mount that they would ask for a salary somewhere around Chilwell's?

I thought it was £290k. 

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1 hour ago, Pizy said:

I don’t think United will be able to resist the temptation of reuniting De Ligt with De Jong under Ten Hag. It would be the classic Man United signing where they overpay like mad on a big name.

Just can’t see us paying £70-90m on any CB.

£70m for de Ligt is fair value

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1 hour ago, King Kante said:

I thought it was £290k. 

almost everything (including a tonne of Italian sites) says around £200K PW gross

BUT

from 3 years ago there is this

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/jul/18/matthijs-de-ligt-joins-juventus-from-ajax-75m-deal

Juventus have confirmed the signing of Matthijs de Ligt from Ajax for a fee of €75m (£67.8m), with the 19-year-old defender agreeing a five-year contract worth a basic €16m (£14.5m) a season which could rise to €24m (£21.7m) with add-ons.

The full package could cost the Serie A champions €195m (£176.2m) and earn the teenager a potential weekly salary of €460,000 (£416,000) if all the add-ons are achieved.

De Ligt has been involved in a tug of war between Paris Saint-Germain and Juventus for most of the summer but the Turin club managed to convince the centre-back he would be better off joining them.

There is a buyout clause of €150m (£135.6m) included in the contract but that will not come into effect until June 2022.

 

 

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17 minutes ago, Vesper said:

£70m for de Ligt is fair value

And if we needed only 1 new CB I think we’d probably pay that. But since we need 2 who will both be extremely pricey I doubt we will.

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1 minute ago, Vesper said:

almost everything (including a tonne of Italian sites) says around £200K PW gross

BUT

from 3 years ago there is this

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/jul/18/matthijs-de-ligt-joins-juventus-from-ajax-75m-deal

Juventus have confirmed the signing of Matthijs de Ligt from Ajax for a fee of €75m (£67.8m), with the 19-year-old defender agreeing a five-year contract worth a basic €16m (£14.5m) a season which could rise to €24m (£21.7m) with add-ons.

The full package could cost the Serie A champions €195m (£176.2m) and earn the teenager a potential weekly salary of €460,000 (£416,000) if all the add-ons are achieved.

De Ligt has been involved in a tug of war between Paris Saint-Germain and Juventus for most of the summer but the Turin club managed to convince the centre-back he would be better off joining them.

There is a buyout clause of €150m (£135.6m) included in the contract but that will not come into effect until June 2022.

 

 

someone is WAY fucking off, lol

as that article is more that DOUBLE (due to add-ons) what most all else says

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Just now, Pizy said:

And if we needed only 1 new CB I think we’d probably pay that. But since we need 2 who will both be extremely pricey I doubt we will.

I already said (in a previous comprehensive 'all buys needed' post) to just buy KK and Demiral  (2 for the price of one)

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On 21/06/2022 at 08:29, Vesper said:

Broja, RLC + £40/50m for Rice

West Ham DESPERATELY need CMF's (they have none on the 25 man roster atm)

then we go balls deep for either Jesus or my preferred option, Osimhen (he is probably too expensive for this window, barring massive sales)

get Dembele in on free

Sterling in for like £40-45m (or Raphinha for the same)

sign Demiral before another team does (£30m or so)

buy KK (£30m or so)

and bring in 2 fullbacks on the cheap (one short term like that £8m 29, soon 30yo French RB Jonathan Clauss  (he will be good enough for 2 or maybe 3 seasons, enough to buy us time) and then LB David Raum (£25m or so)

sell the dregs and the ageing

forget the dwarf, KK and Demiral for the same price as just him is better value

here was that post

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