Chelsea Transfers

[Fernando 6,585]

Top signing. 

Glad we are working early. 

Hopefully it's not this one and then we fall away later. But continue to do all transfer as early possible so we can get them for the pre season. 

[Nero 1,874]

 

[turgi 71]

How "official" is this Ziyech thing?

[NikkiCFC 8,331]

3 hours ago, Miguelito said:

If I'm not mistaken, Ziyech is Moroccan, which means he will leave for the AFCON every 2 years (as long as Morocco get in each time). Does anyone know how good Morocco are/if they qualify each competition?

Not only him, Boga as well if we sign him. 

[petre.ispirescu 4,928]

Next move should definitely be Timo Werner, that 50M release clause is peanuts for a player of that much quality already. Imagine Ziyech + Werner for 88M only, insane business. 

I truly believe Werner will have (for the clubs he will sign for) the same impact as Benzema and Aguero have had and still have for their clubs. Hopefully we're smart and ruthless and tap him already. 

[Strike 7,492]

Buzzing. 38m is a GREAT price in this market and its smart to get this done early rather than wait and put all the eggs in the Sancho basket. 

[Jase 43,479]

10 minutes ago, petre.ispirescu said:

Next move should definitely be Timo Werner, that 50M release clause is peanuts for a player of that much quality already. Imagine Ziyech + Werner for 88M only, insane business. 

I truly believe Werner will have (for the clubs he will sign for) the same impact as Benzema and Aguero have had and still have for their clubs. Hopefully we're smart and ruthless and tap him already. 

I feel like Werner will end up at Liverpool.  We may have a chance if we finish in the Top 4 but I'm not sure that's gonna matter at all. The Liverpool-Werner rumors appear to be picking up steam recently and Werner said last year that he fancies playing for Liverpool. We might well end up signing Dembele etc instead. 

[NikkiCFC 8,331]

5 hours ago, Superblue_1986 said:

I'd be surprised when we have Mount, RLC and Barkley in that position. Lampard particularly likes the first two.

He's played predominantly RW for Ajax so I would assume that is where he is being brought for us.

Ziyech this season for Ajax:

RW 17 games 6 goals 8 assists 

AM 10 games 2 goals 12 assists 

So he is very effective as AM just like Pulisic. Since Lamps prefers to play 4-2-3-1 he will definitely start next season. Ideally Pulisic-Ziyech-Sancho. Plus those three can play all three positions so they can switch positions all the time which is going to be awesome! CHO and Mount on the bench maybe even Boga. Sell Barkley. Pedro and Willian are already gone. So I think signing Ziyech won't effect Sancho. 

[Jase 43,479]

Just now, NikkiCFC said:

Ziyech this season for Ajax:

RW 17 games 6 goals 8 assists 

AM 10 games 2 goals 12 assists 

So he is very effective as AM just like Pulisic. Since Lamps prefers to play 4-2-3-1 he will definitely start next season. Ideally Pulisic-Ziyech-Sancho. Plus those three can play all three positions so they can switch positions all the time which is going to be awesome! CHO and Mount on the bench maybe even Boga. Sell Barkley. Pedro and Willian are already gone. So I think signing Ziyech won't effect Sancho. 

The meltdown is gonna be funny if Willian does sign the contract extension.  

[Pizy 18,936]

Ajax seem like a unique club that doesn't seem to mind their players negotiating during the middle of the season. I'm not sure we'll see anything else bubble into the public eye like this did. 

[Nicco 927]

2 hours ago, Atomiswave said:

Nahh he is quality imo, maybe not world class but he could become WC with us. Put him in CAM instead of Barkely, go get Sancho and we are set on that front. We cant lose Sancho to any Eng Club.  

We just lost him, with Ziyech signing people actually thinking Lampard's nephew will be benched.

[Jase 43,479]

I don't think Willian leaving in the summer is a foregone conclusion yet. We always seem to take the scenic route when it comes to contract extension situation like this. Remember the CHO situation last summer? The negotiation went on for ages and people thought he was a goner but he eventually signed. If we go back a little further, the contract extension with Terry was only announced in March of the 2014/15 season, few months from his contract expiring. Plus, there has been nothing conclusive about Willian not gonna extend his contract. It seems the negotiation is still ongoing at least. 

[Nicco 927]

1 minute ago, Jason said:

I don't think Willian leaving in the summer is a foregone conclusion yet. We always seem to take the scenic route when it comes to contract extension situation like this. Remember the CHO situation last summer? The negotiation went on for ages and people thought he was a goner but he eventually signed. If we go back a little further, the contract extension with Terry was only announced in March of the 2014/15 season, few months from his contract expiring. Plus, there has been nothing conclusive about Willian not gonna extend his contract. It seems the negotiation is still ongoing at least. 

Do you really want to kill me? 

[Jase 43,479]

Just now, Nicco said:

Do you really want to kill me? 

 

 

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

5 minutes ago, Jason said:

The meltdown is gonna be funny if Willian does sign the contract extension.  

Even then if he does, as a squad player, not the worst idea in the world. His problems consistency and end product, probably wont change at his age now but if hes playing sporadically and can impact games, why not? Suppose its all hypothetical still.

I do think he maybe is/should look at moving because the clubs trying to refresh and he might only get one more big move in his career but if he stays and plays as a sub or squad player I am not completely against it. 

Pedro looks as if he is off for definites and so is Giroud but keeping Willian with all his experience around and the influence he has on the youngsters isnt neccessarily the worst thing. But if FL decides to play him every game, people will kick up a fuss, yes.

Cant see FL and the board allowing all of Giroud, Pedro, Alonso and Willian all to leave in the same summer to rely solely on younger players and potential signings that arent guaranteed. Frank was also there as a player when we let Deco, Ballack, Carvalho, Belletti and Joe Cole all leave in the same summer too and that didnt exactly go well.

[NikkiCFC 8,331]

Sell of Barkley will cover this transfer. Or going for Telles instead of Chilwell. So money spent on Ziyech should not effect our summer business. 

[Nicco 927]

Sell Kante and get Sancho that's how desperate I am to bring him here, a generational talent, that was raised supporting Chelsea and we let him go to United. For players like Sancho you make the financial effort since he is extremely young, extremely talented and extremely marketable.

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

1 minute ago, Nicco said:

Sell Kante and get Sancho that's how desperate I am to bring him here, a generational talent, that was raised supporting Chelsea and we let him go to United. For players like Sancho you make the financial effort since he is extremely young, extremely talented and extremely marketable.

No.

Look getting Sancho is all well and good but if we lose Giroud, Pedro, Willian and Alonso in the summer, we will definitely need to keep some of the other experienced players.

Frank talked about adding experience to this group because it is young. Ziyech fits the bill. Likes of Azpi, Rudiger, Kante, Jorginho, Kovacic have all played lots of games in their careers and we need to have a good balance of experience and youth in the squad. For me, as I mentioned before about the year we lost Cole, Ballack, Deco, Belletti and Carvalho in the same summer, we cant afford to be too rash and just think okay replace everyone with youngsters who are taleneted and we will get guaranteed success because when has that ever worked? Especially considering Frank is still a young manager too. Okay they are different types of characters or were bigger leaders than what we have now but still think it would be incredibly naive to sell Kante at any costs even to get Sancho. 

Still not entirely convinced Sancho would transform our fortunes to the point where signing him would have the same effect as the summer we signed Costa and Cesc for instance under Jose. He would improve us undoubtedbly but he still isnt worth getting rid of arguably our best player on paper despite the teething issues trying to get him into the side.

I would hope Frank would want to keep Kante as involved and pivotal to whatever his plans are here because he is a top player. Better than most still even if he has been off his level. 

I still think that spending 120m or more on Sancho isnt a guarantee of anything. He is a very good talent and is an improvement on what we have but if the club is smart, like we are being with Ziyech, they can also prioritise strengthening other areas in the team first such as CB, LB and CF as well for 150m if they look hard enough. I think having a very good collective with 3 or 4 good signings as opposed to spunking the whole kitty on 1 player is the better thing to do. Plus Ruben will be back and Pulisic can still improve tenfold. Its a double ended sword putting all our eggs in the Sancho basket. 

[Nicco 927]

10 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

No.

Look getting Sancho is all well and good but if we lose Giroud, Pedro, Willian and Alonso in the summer, we will definitely need to keep some of the other experienced players.

Frank talked about adding experience to this group because it is young. Ziyech fits the bill. Likes of Azpi, Rudiger, Kante, Jorginho, Kovacic have all played lots of games in their careers and we need to have a good balance of experience and youth in the squad. For me, as I mentioned before about the year we lost Cole, Ballack, Deco, Belletti and Carvalho in the same summer, we cant afford to be too rash and just think okay replace everyone with youngsters who are taleneted and we will get guaranteed success because when has that ever worked? Especially considering Frank is still a young manager too. Okay they are different types of characters or were bigger leaders than what we have now but still think it would be incredibly naive to sell Kante at any costs even to get Sancho. 

Still not entirely convinced Sancho would transform our fortunes to the point where signing him would have the same effect as the summer we signed Costa and Cesc for instance under Jose. He would improve us undoubtedbly but he still isnt worth getting rid of arguably our best player on paper despite the teething issues trying to get him into the side.

I would hope Frank would want to keep Kante as involved and pivotal to whatever his plans are here because he is a top player. Better than most still even if he has been off his level. 

I still think that spending 120m or more on Sancho isnt a guarantee of anything. He is a very good talent and is an improvement on what we have but if the club is smart, like we are being with Ziyech, they can also prioritise strengthening other areas in the team first such as CB, LB and CF as well for 150m if they look hard enough. I think having a very good collective with 3 or 4 good signings as opposed to spunking the whole kitty on 1 player is the better thing to do. Plus Ruben will be back and Pulisic can still improve tenfold. Its a double ended sword putting all our eggs in the Sancho basket. 

It's not about putting all our eggs in Sancho it's about Kante funding most of the transfer for Sancho, a luxury player that doesn't seem to fit in Lampard's way of playing.

We can sell Zouma or Christensen to fund the CB, we can sell Alonso or Emerson to fund the LB buy, we can sell Bakayoko, Drinkwater, Barkley to fund the ST, so I don't see the problem in spending over the odds for a player perfectly for our team.

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

3 minutes ago, Nicco said:

It's not about putting all our eggs in Sancho it's about Kante funding most of the transfer for Sancho, a luxury player that doesn't seem to fit in Lampard's way of playing.

We can sell Zouma or Christensen to fund the CB, we can sell Alonso or Emerson to fund the LB buy, we can sell Bakayoko, Drinkwater, Barkley to fund the ST, so I don't see the problem in spending over the odds for a player perfectly for our team.

Do you think that teams are just lining up to buy Barkley, Zouma, Christensen, Alonso, Bakayoko, Drinkwater, even the likes of Kenedy etc? Also for the money they will want to pay and what we want, it won't be straight forward as the club doesn't like to take losses on players. Hence why Bakayoko, Drinkwater and Kenedy are all away on loan, why Barkley and Christensen were both linked with a loan move and why only Everton were linked with Zouma in the summer when Marco Silva was there after he spent a year there on loan beforehand.... Its not a given we will be able to shift them easy.

Plus losing Giroud, Pedro and potentially Willian on frees already means we will have to replace them. So using the majority of our reported budget on one player, if that budget rumours are true, seems highly irresponsible.

Think we should be priorisiting a CF and LB before another winger now that it looks likely that Ziyech will arrive in the summer. Playing 2 RBs (when he has 2 LBs) and having no other trusted CF in our squad to rely on as he refuses to use Giroud, is killing us in some games.