Super Frank Thread

[Jase 43,479]

10 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

I would say he is Championship specialist. Derby finished 6th even the season before Frank so not sure you can say he improved them like Jokan did in both CS teams.

Not sure why some Chelsea fans seem insistent on playing down what Lampard did at Derby. When he got the job there, the club had to cut costs, get rid of senior players and had to get younger players into the squad. Yes, he may have lost the Championship play-off final but at least he maintained that consistent 6th place-finish despite all the changes that happened as well as it being his first job and by the way, Derby might have also finished 6th in the season before Lampard but they didn't reach the play-off final. Also, if you and some others want to say what Lampard did at Derby was nothing just because he finished 6th with them again, then I guess by the same token, it should be considered a decent feat now considering Derby have gotten so much worse ever since he left and only escaped relegation by the skin of their teeth last season.

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1 hour ago, Jase said:

Not sure why some Chelsea fans seem insistent on playing down what Lampard did at Derby. When he got the job there, the club had to cut costs, get rid of senior players and had to get younger players into the squad. Yes, he may have lost the Championship play-off final but at least he maintained that consistent 6th place-finish despite all the changes that happened as well as it being his first job and by the way, Derby might have also finished 6th in the season before Lampard but they didn't reach the play-off final. Also, if you and some others want to say what Lampard did at Derby was nothing just because he finished 6th with them again, then I guess by the same token, it should be considered a decent feat now considering Derby have gotten so much worse ever since he left and only escaped relegation by the skin of their teeth last season.

People need to stop focusing on Derby pre Lampard and look at Derby post Lampard. As you said the cost-cutting, etc had already started and Lampard's season stopped that inevitable decline from happening earlier.

 

[NikkiCFC 7,630]

5 hours ago, Jase said:

When he got the job there, the club had to cut costs, get rid of senior players and had to get younger players into the squad. 

Which turn out to be best thing. They got 3 best players on loan in that season due to Lampard pulling power.

Tomori POTY

Wilson top goalscorer

and Mount choose Derby because of Lampard instead of Bundesliga offers. Without those 3 they would finish like 15th or something.

 

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37 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

Which turn out to be best thing. They got 3 best players on loan in that season due to Lampard pulling power.

Tomori POTY

Wilson top goalscorer

and Mount choose Derby because of Lampard instead of Bundesliga offers. Without those 3 they would finish like 15th or something.

Yeah but he still made it work. Only have to look at what happened last season when Lampard got the "new shiny toys". 

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22 minutes ago, Mana said:

Lampard also took Tomori, Mount and the coaching staff with him. Derby's top scorer Wilson was on loan from Liverpool during Lampard's season. These are massive things that made a difference and contributed to Derby's downfall the following season.

How can Derby rebuild from that when your top players leave and you don't bring in proper replacements? Of course the only way is down.

But yeah, let's ignore those because ahem, "Super Frank".

Tomori, Mount and Wilson were only loan signings and considering Derby were able to make 8 signings in that summer that Lampard left them, then isn't it their issue that they couldn't find anyone decent to do a good job for them? Plus, they hired Phillip Cocu, who has more experiences as a manager than Lampard, to replace him and yet, he couldn't quite manage a play-off place finish.

Also, we should know better than most that just because good signings are made, it doesn't necessarily they will be good unless the manager knows how to make good use of them at least. Lampard certainly did that with Mount, Wilson etc in that season and mind you, Wilson hasn't come close to replicating the numbers he had at Derby since then. 

[Tomo 21,685]

12 hours ago, Mana said:

Lampard also took Tomori, Mount and the coaching staff with him. Derby's top scorer Wilson was on loan from Liverpool during Lampard's season. These are massive things that made a difference and contributed to Derby's downfall the following season.

How can Derby rebuild from that when your top players leave and you don't bring in proper replacements? Of course the only way is down.

But yeah, let's ignore those because ahem, "Super Frank".

Only you could try and pass off good recruitment as a bad thing.

The bolded bit is hilarious btw given you gave Lampard no leeway for losing Eden Hazard (not to mention Kante was injury stricken for half the season).

Edited August 7, 2021 by Tomo

[bigbluewillie 1,809]

Is that deplorable cunt still on here, I blocked him ages ago.

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[Superblue 6,333]

Hope Frank does well at Everton. I don't mind Everton as a club either (maybe it's my hatred of Liverpool)

I think this season could be a struggle but if he can keep them from getting dragged further into a relegation battle and settle the squad this season I think he has a really good opportunity to build on from next season.

Will be interested to see if he's learned some of the lessons of mistakes made here.

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[Fulham Broadway 16,443]

Dont do it Frank ! Good luck if you do, you’ll need it with that squad.

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[Tomo 21,685]

9 hours ago, Jase said:

 

Unless he's homesick or Frank is offering him higher status (like direct assistant) it wouldn't make sense for Barry to do this so hopefully he declines.

[Vegetable 790]

Brace for constant stream of loses and draws, unless of course they play Chelsea, play for their lives and we loose points, obviously, lol

[NikkiCFC 7,630]

His job is not to keep them in the league but to finish top half on table. Everton have squad on paper for that. 

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[Jase 43,479]

Anthony Barry expected to stay now, according to Matt Law. 

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