Super Frank Thread

[NikkiCFC 7,634]

I am surprised a bit he gets another PL job so soon. You can bet he will take some Chelsea players on loan. Conor probably.

[Jase 43,479]

8 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

I am surprised a bit he gets another PL job so soon. You can bet he will take some Chelsea players on loan. Conor probably.

His reputation as a player and his nationality will always be in his favor when it comes to getting jobs in the Premier League. 

If his playing style at Derby and here is anything to go by, then it could be a trainwreck at Palace considering they have so many old players there and are seemingly stuck in their pragmatic ways. Could end up like Frank de Boer's tenure. 

[Tomo 21,685]

3 hours ago, Jas said:

His reputation as a player and his nationality will always be in his favor when it comes to getting jobs in the Premier League. 

If his playing style at Derby and here is anything to go by, then it could be a trainwreck at Palace considering they have so many old players there and are seemingly stuck in their pragmatic ways. Could end up like Frank de Boer's tenure. 

It may actually work out for him as an underdog. For all his greenness he did overarchieve all in all last season it's when the pressure cranked up he crumbled.

It's weird thinking he may be a plucky underdog type manager given he was the total opposite as a player but still.

[Magic Lamps 11,473]

30 minutes ago, Tomo said:

It may actually work out for him as an underdog. For all his greenness he did overarchieve all in all last season it's when the pressure cranked up he crumbled.

It's weird thinking he may be a plucky underdog type manager given he was the total opposite as a player but still.

Hard to be an underdog type of a player when you are the best midfielder of your generation. He was a plucky type in his west ham days tho.

The palace job might be a decent opportunity.After all he started the rebuild with us and did very well integrating younger players. CP are in a similar positon. the difference is that he will neer be that much in the spotlight and under pressure no matter who they buy. Even if they make a couple of 30,40m signings and only just avoid relegation he will not get fired solely for that.

Edited May 18, 2021 by Magic Lamps

[Jase 43,479]

1 hour ago, Tomo said:

It may actually work out for him as an underdog. For all his greenness he did overarchieve all in all last season it's when the pressure cranked up he crumbled.

It's weird thinking he may be a plucky underdog type manager given he was the total opposite as a player but still.

There's no point in being the underdog if he can't get the players to buy into his methods. Palace will no doubt look to get younger players in but their squad will primarily still consist of old, experienced players. Can Lampard get them to move away from the pragmatic style to a more open, expansive style? Can those old, experienced players play the way he wants to? If Lampard is not careful, he could easily run into the same problems that Scolari and AVB ran into here. They tried to change the style but it wasn't successful because the players in the squad then were already so used to playing in a certain way and couldn't change to a different style. 

[ZAPHOD2319 3,936]

If Frank cannot adjust his gameplay to the abilities of his players, he has no business being a top level manager. I hope his reflection with his time here makes it so he is more in contact with struggling players.

[Fulham Broadway 16,444]

5 hours ago, Jas said:

Palace considering they have so many old players there

Nearly all their players will be out of contract - will look a completely different squad next season

[Jype 6,398]

10 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Nearly all their players will be out of contract - will look a completely different squad next season

Yeah. A list of players who have their contracts up at the end of the season:

Cahill
McArthur
McCarthy
Hennessey
Sakho
Benteke
van Aanholt
Henderson
Townsend
Dann
Kelly
Clyne
Ward
Wickham
Schlupp

 

Some will still obviously re-sign but releasing even most of them will free up massive space in their wage budget and they can get rid of older injury-ridden players who are still on big wages. Everything in their re-build depends on whether they have the money to actually buy new players or if they're stuck hoping to strike gold with other clubs' leftover free agents and loan players. Speaking of loan players, if Frank goes to Palace I wouldn't mind sending Gallagher there next season.

Edited May 18, 2021 by Jype

[Jase 43,479]

52 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Nearly all their players will be out of contract - will look a completely different squad next season

I know but I doubt they are just gonna let everyone go. They would probably keep at least half of them. 

[Jype 6,398]

11 minutes ago, Jas said:

I know but I doubt they are just gonna let everyone go. They would probably keep at least half of them. 

Obviously not, but from the 15 names on the list if they release even half it will free up a ton of wages.

For example they have Sakho, Kelly, Clyne, Dann, McCarthy, McArthur and Wickham who reportedly earn a total of around £450K/wk and have started around 60 games between them in the league so averaging less than ten games each. While some of them have been regulars in the past they are not considered valuable squad members anymore but they still take up a big chunk of their wage budget that could be spent a lot better on some more important players.

Also seeing as he's scored a total of two league goals this season they're unfortunately not going to take up their option to keep Batshuayi so that's another £90K/wk freed up for Palace. And while Christian Benteke, their highest paid player after Zaha, has had a sort of resurgence to form after years of being a total waste of space (6 league goals in last three seasons before this one) I wouldn't exactly be willing to re-sign him on those sort of wages again if I was calling the shots at Palace so there goes another £120K//wk.

The ones I could see Palace trying to keep are Ward, Van Aanholt, Schlupp and Townsend. Perhaps Cahill too for experience alone if they're otherwise going for a younger and more inexperienced squad. That's still around £700K/wk saved on their wage bill if they release the rest so they should have plenty of resources available for a squad re-build, that's assuming their finances are not totally screwed over COVID.

[Milan 17,835]

Contract expiring or not, the players should give their absolute everything for Roy Hodgson in the last match. I don't even know who they play but they must sweat blood for him. 😇😇

[milka 3,308]

I will be happy if   Crystal Palace get Lampard . He deserve 2nd chance . 

will make them an attractive team like Derby County 

[Tomo 21,685]

4 hours ago, Jas said:

There's no point in being the underdog if he can't get the players to buy into his methods. Palace will no doubt look to get younger players in but their squad will primarily still consist of old, experienced players. Can Lampard get them to move away from the pragmatic style to a more open, expansive style? Can those old, experienced players play the way he wants to? If Lampard is not careful, he could easily run into the same problems that Scolari and AVB ran into here. They tried to change the style but it wasn't successful because the players in the squad then were already so used to playing in a certain way and couldn't change to a different style. 

They have actually got a unique situation with so many players contracts running out at big wages, it will be a chance for Frank to bring in a few of 'his' type of player.

[OneMoSalah 8,619]

Whoever takes over at Palace will have a huge job on. Look how many folk are out of contract. They wont resign absolutely everybody. Some need to go. Plus whats the budget gonna be? Steve Parish wont be giving anyone a fuck tonne to spend on 6,7 or 8 very good new players to beef up a thin squad. Be a dangerous job for someone with 18 months experience as a football manager in the top flight. Good luck if he takes it but brave as well.

Edited May 18, 2021 by OneMoSalah

[Jase 43,479]

3 hours ago, Jype said:

Obviously not, but from the 15 names on the list if they release even half it will free up a ton of wages.

For example they have Sakho, Kelly, Clyne, Dann, McCarthy, McArthur and Wickham who reportedly earn a total of around £450K/wk and have started around 60 games between them in the league so averaging less than ten games each. While some of them have been regulars in the past they are not considered valuable squad members anymore but they still take up a big chunk of their wage budget that could be spent a lot better on some more important players.

Also seeing as he's scored a total of two league goals this season they're unfortunately not going to take up their option to keep Batshuayi so that's another £90K/wk freed up for Palace. And while Christian Benteke, their highest paid player after Zaha, has had a sort of resurgence to form after years of being a total waste of space (6 league goals in last three seasons before this one) I wouldn't exactly be willing to re-sign him on those sort of wages again if I was calling the shots at Palace so there goes another £120K//wk.

The ones I could see Palace trying to keep are Ward, Van Aanholt, Schlupp and Townsend. Perhaps Cahill too for experience alone if they're otherwise going for a younger and more inexperienced squad. That's still around £700K/wk saved on their wage bill if they release the rest so they should have plenty of resources available for a squad re-build, that's assuming their finances are not totally screwed over COVID.

According to The Athletic, Van Aanholt will be leaving Palace this summer. Sakho, Hennessey, McCarthy and Wickham expected to follow suit as well. Batshuayi will definitely return to us. Cahill has been offered a new one-year deal while Ward and Dann have held talks over deals on reduced terms. Benteke's and Townsend's future still up in the air. Not sure about the others.

50 minutes ago, Tomo said:

They have actually got a unique situation with so many players contracts running out at big wages, it will be a chance for Frank to bring in a few of 'his' type of player.

That is true but how many players will he be able to bring in? How much say will he get in the transfers?

Given the rebuilding job at hand, won't be surprised if Palace opt for a more experienced head than Lampard. Am sure it's not lost on Palace what happened with Lampard this summer when he got new players into the squad. Last thing they would want is the De Boer nightmare again.

[Jase 43,479]

 

[Laylabelle 9,305]

Deserved

[Magic Lamps 11,473]

Right where he belongs