The Conte Thread

[CHOULO19 24,332]

17 hours ago, The Chels said:

Anyone know if Conte used to press high against the bigger teams when he was at Juve? I was really surprised by yesterday's approach given how much he talks about intensity.

What are 'bigger teams' than Juve in Italy?

The only season where it was even close in the league was his first and the team was built on defensive solidity. He drew (a Juve record IIRC) 15 matches conceding just 20 goals all season. He did mostly play on the counter against Milan and Inter that season.

In the next two seasons Juve was the team to beat, and everyone defended with 10 behind the ball against them.

In the CL, we, Real and Bayern were the biggest teams they faced. They did press us high, though we were probably a class below them at the time. They played balanced matched against Real but I wouldn't call it 'high press'. Against Bayern they tried to press high and build from the back but got annihilated in those two matches. 

 

[The Chels 2,502]

2 hours ago, CHOULO19 said:

What are 'bigger teams' than Juve in Italy?

The only season where it was even close in the league was his first and the team was built on defensive solidity. He drew (a Juve record IIRC) 15 matches conceding just 20 goals all season. He did mostly play on the counter against Milan and Inter that season.

In the next two seasons Juve was the team to beat, and everyone defended with 10 behind the ball against them.

In the CL, we, Real and Bayern were the biggest teams they faced. They did press us high, though we were probably a class below them at the time. They played balanced matched against Real but I wouldn't call it 'high press'. Against Bayern they tried to press high and build from the back but got annihilated in those two matches. 

 

By 'bigger teams' I meant non-small teams rather than teams bigger than Juve. Thanks for the insight.

[Fulham Broadway 16,907]

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[jernej93 565]

3 hours ago, MefiX19 said:

hope he will change players for the Leicester game and we actually press them as a team

 

 

Begović
Azpi/Aina - Ivanović - Luiz - Alonso
RLC - Fabregas - Chalobah
Moses - Michy - Hazard

Or maybe Kante instead of RLC or Chalobah. Probably won't see Loftus in midfield because Conte sees him as a striker? Chalobah - Fabregas - Kante than

[CHOULO19 24,332]

1 hour ago, Fulham Broadway said:

''We''

 

 

 

 

David Mitchell really hates football, doesn't he?

[MefiX19 1,092]

30 minutes ago, jernej93 said:

 

Begović
Azpi/Aina - Ivanović - Luiz - Alonso
RLC - Fabregas - Chalobah
Moses - Michy - Hazard

Or maybe Kante instead of RLC or Chalobah. Probably won't see Loftus in midfield because Conte sees him as a striker? Chalobah - Fabregas - Kante than

I hope Chalobah-Kante-Fabregas is our midfield

[quickpassnmove 924]

Conte needs more time and no, I'm not a Conte fanboy; my fav. manager has been Klopp as I am a longtime Dortmund fan.

You should all look at the shot totals from ManCity and the Tottenham matches. Then also take a look at the shot count in the Watford-ManUtd match.

I loved the comment earlier from a United supporter who mentioned "midfielders who can't think quickly enough."

I will echo what others have suggested in their comments here: put our slow build-up and personnel problems aside, you cannot afford to play conservative or sit back like a Mourinho or maybe a Conte side in the Premier League. Defending may have gotten better in the past 15 years, but right now there's a lack of top class defenders whose ability and mentality sets them apart from the rest --that is, compared to the money being offered by clubs in search of top talent.

Liverpool might be a mid-table side from last season, but it's possible that being mid-table and having Klopp as your manager gives you a practical edge when composing your squad (instead of waiting until the end of the window for some players who will never come).

[AlesJuve 264]

I propose an exchange of coaches you will take Allegri and give us back Conte.

[Fulham Broadway 16,907]

I hate to say it, but I'm annoyed with Conte the most. Let's give him time and all that, but why are we setting up defensively at home and playing on the counter attack?

We made them look like fucking Barca at the bridge. Similar to the West ham game, we showed them far too much respect. They had Milner at LB FFS. Theyre known for being woeful at the back and we didn't exploit it or even try too. Hazard should have been put on Mlner from the start.

Also, re conte - the subs and tactical changes were far too late.

Change has to come at Leicester. We simply can't go on like this - defeat on Tuesday is unthinkable given our failure to qualify for European competition last season.

[BlueStorm1003 539]

We are just starting the season. Give the man some time, and believe in what the team can do with him at the front. I am annoyed by the late subs as well, but I´m sure that, if he has any managerial sense, he'll adapt to these situations in time.

[xPetrCechx 13,563]

19 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

I hate to say it, but I'm annoyed with Conte the most. Let's give him time and all that, but why are we setting up defensively at home and playing on the counter attack?

We made them look like fucking Barca at the bridge. Similar to the West ham game, we showed them far too much respect. They had Milner at LB FFS. Theyre known for being woeful at the back and we didn't exploit it or even try too. Hazard should have been put on Mlner from the start.

Also, re conte - the subs and tactical changes were far too late.

Change has to come at Leicester. We simply can't go on like this - defeat on Tuesday is unthinkable given our failure to qualify for European competition last season.

THIS!

[AlesJuve 264]

17 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

I hate to say it, but I'm annoyed with Conte the most. Let's give him time and all that, but why are we setting up defensively at home and playing on the counter attack?

We made them look like fucking Barca at the bridge. Similar to the West ham game, we showed them far too much respect. They had Milner at LB FFS. Theyre known for being woeful at the back and we didn't exploit it or even try too. Hazard should have been put on Mlner from the start.

Also, re conte - the subs and tactical changes were far too late.

Change has to come at Leicester. We simply can't go on like this - defeat on Tuesday is unthinkable given our failure to qualify for European competition last season.

The tactical idea of Conte was explained well by Xavi during the European "Italy knows how to defend like Atletico and attack like Barca" this is perfection for Conte.It will take time (and a few purchases).Of one thing you can be sure if you're angry for the defeat he is more probably he spent the day reviewing the game several times.

[Fulham Broadway 16,907]

7 minutes ago, AlesJuve said:

The tactical idea of Conte was explained well by Xavi during the European "Italy knows how to defend like Atletico and attack like Barca" this is perfection for Conte.It will take time (and a few purchases).Of one thing you can be sure if you're angry for the defeat he is more probably he spent the day reviewing the game several times.

Agree about the lack of purchases bit, that's down to abramovich and the board.

Conte seems a bit dopey regarding subs. Bringing Batman on at Swansea so very late was criminal ( I ask myself, was it a time wasting happy with a point sub?) and chasing Liverpool for the majority of Friday night (in every way) it took until the 82nd minute for him to act. So it took him a massive 82 minutes to realise we were second best all over the park and do something about it? I hope he is sitting down and reviewing the game today. Sit down and watch the game Conte, stop playing the game on the touchline...it appears to be clouding your view somewhat. We love you directing when we're winning but passionately running up and down waving arms doesn't mean you actually have a clue. I wait to be convinced he is the real deal.

Of course the real danger is the Buckenalo wont give him the time, even if he is the real deal, it'll be arrivederci....

[Laylabelle 9,373]

Agree!!' don't understand the late subs..things aren't going well they're not suddenly going to change without something being done and they just get later and later so when they do come on little time to actually make a impact. So frustrating 

[OhForAGreavsie 5,897]

12 hours ago, Blue_Fox_ said:

Thing is, this team cannot be set up in an attacking way for the time being. It would be suicide. It baffles me how people fail to realize it yet.
Hopefully once Luiz and Alonso (maybe) will be starters we can take steps forwards in that direction.

I'm optimistic that Alonso can help us but I'm disillusioned about the re-signing of David Luiz.

Your main point about the deficiencies of our squad is absolutely correct. There is a group of members who refuse to accept the limitations placed on our tactical options by those deficiencies. It doesn't matter how many managers come in and find themselves forced to adopt the same approach, this group continue to blame the managers.

Over the weekend I read yet another post pleading for us to adopt a more attacking approach. Players hurtling up the pitch, waiting for a ball that's never going to arrive because your team can't string five positive passes together, isn't atacking. It is, as you say, suicide.

Every team defends when they don't have possession. The difference between Chelsea and other sides that we admire is what they can do with the ball when they get it. Any squad of professional footballers can put together beautiful passages of play. Over the course of a season however the shortcomings of our squad are going to continue to restrict our ambitions until, and unless, we improve their general quality.

[Blue Armour 4,300]

The silver lining from all this is that observing the last 5 league games could lead him to one conclusion. 

Bar the one game against Burnley, he has lost every single game with the same starting eleven he has put out. Didn't get a result out of any game until the point he made a substitution. (Yes, Terry didn't play the last game and Willian missed another, but had those players been fit it would have been identical lineups for all 5 games)

[Henrique 9,133]

The result against Liverpool was not great, but one thing you got to love about Conte: after the game he wans't trying to create silly controversies, he wasn't blaming players or creating scapegoats. Thats a completely different thing from what we got in past seasons...

[coolhead23 1,146]

Disappointed with the loss but I feel in the larger scheme of things he needed this one  ... Too much respect in the first half, late subs and not believing in his tactics were the things that let him down. 

If I have to believe the man from what he has spoken in various interview this should get him thinking and should adapt the dynamics on the field of play... I really hope he comes back with a strong plan B when in a situation like the Liverpool game ... I have really have hope in him and this is part of the learning curve in the PL.