The Mourinho Thread

[Laylabelle 9,453]

Thats what was frustating.They had 10 men yet looked far from it and quite surprised we ended with a draw to be honest,Just seemed to cautious towards the end and making silly mistakes cause of it.

[Chelsea? 892]

  On 21/09/2014 at 19:37, didierforever said:

Are people idiotson here. I mean seriously what the fuck is wrong?

We have played at etihad and goodison and are 5 points clear off the only title rival.

Still people are cribbing. We were getting hanmered put there with a man advantage. Jose chose right to simply play out last minutes. Every time city had the ball it seemed they would score. They had the momentum and the crowd. The lamps goal gave them extra impetus.

The DD inclusion was a little weird. I would have chosen remy (if he was on the bench) but costa needed to get off. A red card would have been devastating and he was walking a thin line

People are disapointed by the performance and are criticizing Jose for it. Similar to praising him when we win. No one has asked for him to be sacked or anything drastic. What the hell else do you want? you want ppl to praise him after a disappointing performance?

[Belgiannutt 3,201]

  On 21/09/2014 at 20:22, didierforever said:

red card, we were in the lead and we were getting outplayed. cesc and hazard getting caught on the ball and leaving us prone to counters.

we dint choose to defend, we were FORCED to defend. their is a massive difference here. it was not jose's tactics to make us defend so deep with 11 to 10. city simply were that good in the last 10 minutes. and there is no shame in admitting that. and that is where i feel you are wrong. we were trying to dominate, but it simply was not happening.

No offense but that's a load of crap. First thing you need to do when you wanna dominate the other team : You press them. We just sat back and let them have the ball.

Also Hazard and Fabregas were caught on the ball because they were receiving the ball in their own half, with their face towards goal, with a city defender breathing down their neck. The simple fact was there was nowhere to go with the ball once they got it.

[MrBlueGuy 1,552]

  On 21/09/2014 at 20:38, Chelsea? said:

People are disapointed by the performance and are criticizing Jose for it. Similar to praising him when we win. No one has asked for him to be sacked or anything drastic. What the hell else do you want? you want ppl to praise him after a disappointing performance?

Yep that is the problem on here, some of the top players/manager in the team cannot be criticized at all. If anything slightly a bit negative is posted you are automatically a troll/Pep fan/glory hunter/idiot or whatever nonsense insult they can come up with.

It is always either you support him as a God and be a proper fan or you don't and be a troll. It is pathetic really.

[Henrique 9,133]

I can't understand why people are surprised about tactics today. This is who Mourinho is, we all know. The same tactics that made the team beat City at Etihad months ago, are the tactics that made the team concede the equalize today. I also don't understand people trying to prove Mourinho is not pragmatic, but a manager who take risks, its like trying to prove 7 and 7 is 15.

We are still 5 points ahead of City and 4 ahead of Arsenal. Lets judge Mourinho's tactics today at the end of the season.

[MrBlueGuy 1,552]

  On 21/09/2014 at 20:52, Henrique said:

I can't understand why people are surprised about tactics today. This is who Mourinho is, we all know. The same tactics that made the team beat City at Etihad months ago, are the tactics that made the team concede the equalize today. I also don't understand people trying to prove Mourinho is not pragmatic, but a manager who take risks, its like trying to prove 7 and 7 is 15.

We are still 5 points ahead of City and 4 ahead of Arsenal. Lets judge Mourinho's tactics today at the end of the season.

Doubt anyone is surprised as I pointed out after that Schalke game a few pages back he would do this. What most people including me are disappointed with is how predictable it is though. I don't think performance is anywhere near the one against them last Feb, in that match he hit the posts like 3 times and should have win 3/4-0 bar a bit of unlucky. Today we played for a point from the get go, if Zab didn't get sent off I doubt Jose would have told the team to be more adventurous as evident by the fact that even against 10 men we still used the same tactic, not a single alteration.

However one thing we can say though is this game should finally dispell that notion that Jose can get us to play 'sexy' football aka Dortmund style. He never could and never will, it is impossible to change after spending your whole career perfecting this tactic. That game in Feb against City was really the best we could ever hope for against a big team away from home, it was close to perfection. We will never do a Bayern away last season at City and dominate from start to finish, not with Jose as manager and it is about many accept that I guess.

I believe no one is disappointed with the point, but the way it was collected imo. On paper if you didn't watch the match and just read on newspaper, this would be a good result in a tough away game. But if you watched the match then you start to realize we really threw away the game with our unnecessary tactic. Anyway, time to move on now I think and look forward to thrashing Villa next week.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

  On 21/09/2014 at 18:51, MrBlueGuy said:

It is natural really, the way forums work. Also because posting something controversial is more engaging for most people than just simple praises. For example lets say someone post ''Mourinho is a world class manager, he will lead us to great glory!''. What do you expect people to say? Erm ''OK you are right, I agree!!!!''

However if we discuss general issues such as for example his negative tactics today, people can come in and argue about it, thereby creating a debate. But it seems it is either for or against. You either support him or you are a Pep supporter. There is no middle line. Same with people saying we should either do all out attack Arsenal and lose 6-0 or ultra bus parking and draw 0-0. There is no middle ground such as good defending and occasionally going forward like last season.

Mourinho is never going to risk losing to a rival away from home to appease everyone, once we begin to accept this, things will become easier to understand.

  On 21/09/2014 at 18:51, MrExcalibur100 said:

It's a point, yes but I don't see anybody bemoaning the fact we got a point at the Etihad, just the way we played and the incredibly negative tactics we deployed. I think that's perfectly normal.

We were poor after we scored and that was largely due to costa being subbed out for Drogba, our attack completely went out. If we went more attacking, mancity would have punished us more than schalke did, except that they have even more clinical strikers.

I would get as angry as you guys if we show no attack at HOME not away to the Champions.

[Blue Armour 4,369]

Some people need to calm down..

Draw away from home against a tile rival, and playing defensive football? Good, because that has been the objective always, and that's what happened last season.

I don't care about playing against ten men...Playing against ten men in their own stadium is always a challenge.

The people who started watching football yesterday can go on bleating about how City "dominated" the game...but the only thing I will take away from it is that Lamps scored against us. But from looking at his face, he was probably just as upset as I was about it..

[LegenTerry 272]

Result was good but performance,with the fact that we have +1 player was crap.Very simple.

[didierforever 7,349]

  On 21/09/2014 at 20:35, Styles said:

Disagree. How can a team with 10 men force their will on you? We accepted their dominance like we did for most of the game and let them dominate the ball in our half. They were more likely to win the game in the end than we were, let that sink in for a moment.

if you see the match, you will know how a team can do that. they were that good.

and like you said, they were more probable to win, why? cos they were creating that much problem. maybe it was cos of no willian/oscar in the middle to lend our mid that solidity cos i dont remeber cesc anywhere except for losing balls in the last 10-15 minutes. mikel was static. iva was horrible. schurrle was getting skinned by milner. DD was well... to put it lightly, preoccupied.

they were bossing us plus we had a lead to protect. so saying that we willingly conceded possession and that city's dominance had no role to play is wrong. city should get their due.

[didierforever 7,349]

  On 21/09/2014 at 20:40, Belgiannutt said:

No offense but that's a load of crap. First thing you need to do when you wanna dominate the other team : You press them. We just sat back and let them have the ball.

Also Hazard and Fabregas were caught on the ball because they were receiving the ball in their own half, with their face towards goal, with a city defender breathing down their neck. The simple fact was there was nowhere to go with the ball once they got it.

so u r telling me that city were a man down, yet were able to man mark hazard and cesc and create as much problem as they did to us in the last 15 minutes??? well their os your answer. they were THAT dominant then.

[stroey 2,525]

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[didierforever 7,349]

  On 21/09/2014 at 20:38, Chelsea? said:

People are disapointed by the performance and are criticizing Jose for it. Similar to praising him when we win. No one has asked for him to be sacked or anything drastic. What the hell else do you want? you want ppl to praise him after a disappointing performance?

people praise jose for the tactics used. like the ones against city last year. like the one against pool last year. or arsenal where we were playing and running like rabid dogs and simply owned their DMs.

also go and read mr.blueguy's posts. he is crtitisizing the tactics. not the performance. so know stuff before u speak.

[ballackstothat 43]

  On 21/09/2014 at 21:42, didierforever said:

so u r telling me that city were a man down, yet were able to man mark hazard and cesc and create as much problem as they did to us in the last 15 minutes??? well their os your answer. they were THAT dominant then.

they didnt man mark hazard they doubled him up, we did well! last couple of weeks people have been moaning that we were conceding goals, now it's that were not attacking enough. doh you just can't win.

[didierforever 7,349]

  On 21/09/2014 at 21:49, ballackstothat said:

they didnt man mark hazard they doubled him up, we did well! last couple of weeks people have been moaning that we were conceding goals, now it's that were not attacking enough. doh you just can't win.

they doubled up on hazard with a man down?

the post was written in the context of last 10-15mins of the match.

[ballackstothat 43]

  On 21/09/2014 at 21:51, didierforever said:

they doubled up on hazard with a man down?

the post was written in the context of last 10-15mins of the match.

playing against 10 men is as dangerous as playing against 11 if they feel aggrieved any manager will tell you that, at that point jose was trying to hold out for 3 points it didn't work

[kellzfresh 7,229]

  On 21/09/2014 at 21:49, ballackstothat said:

last couple of weeks people have been moaning that we were conceding goals, now it's that were not attacking enough. doh you just can't win.

Also according to the complainants, mancity parked the bus against bayern away too because it was the same tactics only that hart prevented a 4-0 score.

[Daniel1980 1,425]

Playing even against 10 men away is never easy when their fans are urging them on (and our own fans urged on Frank ). Besides, with Drogba we basically played with 10 men too. Jose tried to play it safe. It didn't work and we got a point against the main title rival. It's not the end of the world, even though we could have won.