bushman 2,043 Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 Never mind whether the team is strong enough to win the PL. Jose does not need to broadcast it in the media, does he?To blame Jose for yesterday´s loss, only an idiot may post that. The team was not there mentally, that´s all.Most likely, their minds were set in Paris. Perhaps, we may be pleasantly surprised on Wednesday. Muzchap 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! Rmpr 8,977 Posted March 30, 2014 Popular Post! Share Posted March 30, 2014 Lol the fact that Torres missed opportunities is Jose's fault? The team he played yesterday should have destroyed Palace. Non of the players pulled their weight, simple.Everybody was horrible in yesterday's game, including Mourinho!The fact Torres missed all these opportunities was also Jose's fault because he was the one who selected him. It is funny how when we win Jose is God, but when we lose it's all because of the players...Dont get me wrong, I love Mourinho and I am absolutely amazed he returned. But when he has a bad match, we have to acknowledge! Mohammed Seif, The Chels, The Mak and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrus 422 Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 The fact Torres missed all these opportunities was also Jose's fault because he was the one who selected him.You seriously think Ba would have done better?Two other striker options - Torres and Schurrle - were playing... Oh wait. Ba too was playing.Though maybe playing with no striker at all is preferable to having Torres on the pitch. And I'm serious here. Barbara and Muzchap 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,754 Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 God if we don't win anything this season the tedious "well Rafa won the EL post's" will be cringeworthy. The only place to be, Barbara and xPetrCechx 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polo7 3,496 Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 Everybody was horrible in yesterday's game, including Mourinho!The fact Torres missed all these opportunities was also Jose's fault because he was the one who selected him. It is funny how when we win Jose is God, but when we lose it's all because of the players...Dont get me wrong, I love Mourinho and I am absolutely amazed he returned. But when he has a bad match, we have to acknowledge!And if he dropped Torres and Ba had a bad game you would be on here again slating Mourinho because he didnt play Torres (especially after he had a decent game against Arsenal). Crystal Palace are awful, even our reserves should beat them. Muzchap 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! The Skipper 20,609 Posted March 30, 2014 Popular Post! Share Posted March 30, 2014 I have said from the start that I don't mind if we win the title or not but if we isolate this game on it's own, some blame has to go to Mou for the way we set up our team. You have to expect this sort of performance when there is still no patterns in our attacking play against teams that sit deep against you, it's always been my only problem with Mourinho's approach especially against the smaller teams. You can't keep relying on the individual brilliance of Hazard to bail you out in these sort of games. The Mak, Belgiannutt, dee25 and 8 others 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo11bluecl 207 Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 God if we don't win anything this season the tedious "well Rafa won the EL post's" will be cringeworthy.But it is a fact... at least Jose should have got us Capital One or FA Cup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,754 Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 But it is a fact... at least Jose should have got us Capital One or FA Cup.It is, but we will see that used a lot as reasoning that Rafa did a better job, which just won't be true. Regardless of what happens now, Jose has done better than Rafa. Barbara 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo11bluecl 207 Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 It is, but we will see that used a lot as reasoning that Rafa did a better job, which just won't be true. Regardless of what happens now, Jose has done better than Rafa.No one is saying that, remember throwing 2 goals in last 2 mins against Reading or lost at home to QPR, that were just terrible. The 2nd part is debatable as well, in term of head to head against top teams yh probably. But we haven't actually not anywhere yet so nothing solid(trophy...etc) to back it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodIsBlue 291 Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 I feel way happier just being involved in the tightest premier league race in ages than winning the Europa league. If we were something like 15 points off the top and City, Liverpool and Arsenal were going at it for the title it would suck. Europa league is about as satisfying as stepping in gum, it was awesome in the moment but in hindsight it's not so glamorous. Barbara, Mohammed Seif and Blue-in-me-Veins 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only place to be 11,313 Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 Strange comments after the game. The team needs more balls? What? Nonsensical. That in no way describes what happened yesterday. And obviously most supporters buy that and think a lack of balls is the problem.The team only really knows how to counter-attack and not much else. In almost every game we need to take the initiative and break teams down we struggle to create and rely on Hazard to make something happen.Guts. Grit. Whatever synonym you want to use for balls. That's what we needed.I'm also a little tired of this notion that we can only counter-attack. It's utter twaddle used to paint Mourinho as a one-dimensional coach. The fact that you contradict yourself almost immediately by saying that we have to rely on Hazard to make something happen indicates just how hollow a notion that is.We don't just hit teams on the counter. We press them into mistakes and we do have the ability to create chances in second and third-phase situations but all that is hampered right now by the lack of an effective striker. I have said from the start that I don't mind if we win the title or not but if we isolate this game on it's own, some blame has to go to Mou for the way we set up our team. You have to expect this sort of performance when there is still no patterns in our attacking play against teams that sit deep against you, it's always been my only problem with Mourinho's approach especially against the smaller teams.You can't keep relying on the individual brilliance of Hazard to bail you out in these sort of games. The movement from the striker yesterday wasn't good enough, but that's been the case with Torres for years now? The idea that there's no pattern to our attacking play is simply wrong though. Blue Armour, Barbara, darrus and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Cool 388 Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 Jose can play down our expectations all he wants, but the fact that we appear to be so horrendously flaccid in the final third at times with all the flair players that we have, striker or no striker, is incredibly disappointing. With the amount of investment that has gone into the squad these past two summers, there is no reason why we should not be able to break down the teams that sit in the bottom half of the table. The Chels and Mufassir08 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Styles 9,790 Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 Guts. Grit. Whatever synonym you want to use for balls. That's what we needed.I'm also a little tired of this notion that we can only counter-attack. It's utter twaddle used to paint Mourinho as a one-dimensional coach. The fact that you contradict yourself almost immediately by saying that we have to rely on Hazard to make something happen indicates just how hollow a notion that is.We don't just hit teams on the counter. We press them into mistakes and we do have the ability to create chances in second and third-phase situations but all that is hampered right now by the lack of an effective striker.How did they lack balls exactly? Give clear examples of incidents throughout the match that lacked balls. It's such a convenient excuse to wheel out when you don't want to examine what happened. The players were committed as always but simply had no idea how to break down Palace. But forget quality or systemic problems, they just don’t have the fortitude because that’s easier to live with.How is saying we rely on Hazard magic when our one and only game-plan fails a contradiction? Are you implying that relying on a player to do something extraordinary is a viable alternative to actual tactics? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,754 Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 No one is saying that, remember throwing 2 goals in last 2 mins against Reading or lost at home to QPR, that were just terrible. The 2nd part is debatable as well, in term of head to head against top teams yh probably. But we haven't actually not anywhere yet so nothing solid(trophy...etc) to back it up.Regarding trophies, the only one that should be used as a true barometar to how good as manager is, is the league. Every team wins atleast 10 games a season, 6 fall on FA Cup week and you have bagged yourself a cup. Even with the CL, did that trophy turn Robbie into Jose? If Moyes somehow wins it this season will he suddenly become a better manager?I like to look at consistency first and foremost to judge a manage work, and we have improved a lot in consistency and general performance overall imo. Strike and duo11bluecl 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only place to be 11,313 Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 How is saying we rely on Hazard magic when our one and only game-plan fails a contradiction? Are you implying that relying on a player to do something extraordinary is a viable alternative to actual tactics?How is looking to a player on your team to do something not an actual tactic? People seem to think that Hazard doing something 'magical' is above and beyond the call of duty, when it's precisely what he's paid for.We look to hit teams on the counter, which is something that most teams do. We also look to apply a high pressing game to force them into turnovers in key areas. That is a tough tactic though and requires players to push themselves hard for 90 minutes - that's where the grit and determination is needed, to outfight the opposition. Yesterday Palace defended deep but broke fast and pushed themselves when we probably didn't. When Azpi got to the byline in the first-half, Torres should've been breaking his neck to get to the ball but he didn't. Then watch Costa bully the opposition, fight for every ball and make runs for 90 minutes. That's balls. Term-X, Barbara and darrus 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strike 7,854 Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 Constant Back five - best in the league really. it's the attack that goes missing in some games but then again Willian, Schurrle, Salah in their first season here, Oscar is still approaching his prime and the less said about the strikers the betterGetting this far without good strikers is an achievement in itself. The stretch of games from December to March, the team was producing the goods week in week out. Barbara, The only place to be, darrus and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Armour 4,759 Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 Guts. Grit. Whatever synonym you want to use for balls. That's what we needed.I'm also a little tired of this notion that we can only counter-attack. It's utter twaddle used to paint Mourinho as a one-dimensional coach. The fact that you contradict yourself almost immediately by saying that we have to rely on Hazard to make something happen indicates just how hollow a notion that is.We don't just hit teams on the counter. We press them into mistakes and we do have the ability to create chances in second and third-phase situations but all that is hampered right now by the lack of an effective striker. The movement from the striker yesterday wasn't good enough, but that's been the case with Torres for years now? The idea that there's no pattern to our attacking play is simply wrong though.Yes, its lot of poor decision making that's ruining a lot of counter-attacks. In many ways, this match was symptomatic of what happened to Chelsea earlier this season. Attackers not taking their chances, and getting punished by the opposition who essentially beats us in our own game (the counter-attack). If you look at the stats both Palace and Chelsea had nearly the same number of attempts on goal...and typically one team made the most of it.I feel most of the poor decision-making stems from a lack of experience...attackers like Willian, Oscar, Hazard and Schurrle need more playing time together to iron out these faults..For instance, I think one can guarantee that a front three of Drogba, Anelka and Malouda operating under similar instructions would have blitzed Palace on the counter Barbara 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strike 7,854 Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 Yes, its lot of poor decision making that's ruining a lot of counter-attacks. In many ways, this match was symptomatic of what happened to Chelsea earlier this season. Attackers not taking their chances, and getting punished by the opposition who essentially beats us in our own game (the counter-attack). If you look at the stats both Palace and Chelsea had nearly the same number of attempts on goal...and typically one team made the most of it.I feel most of the poor decision-making stems from a lack of experience...attackers like Willian, Oscar, Hazard and Schurrle need more playing time together to iron out these faults..For instance, I think one can guarantee that a front three of Drogba, Anelka and Malouda operating under similar instructions would have blitzed Palace on the counterNot at all true. Taking only the Palace game - Most of Chelsea's shots were from 35 yards when the team couldn't find a way through whereas Palace had a lot of dangerous attacksOnly dangerous Chelsea attack was Azpi cross to Schurrle that somehow stayed out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Styles 9,790 Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 How is looking to a player on your team to do something not an actual tactic? People seem to think that Hazard doing something 'magical' is above and beyond the call of duty, when it's precisely what he's paid for.We look to hit teams on the counter, which is something that most teams do. We also look to apply a high pressing game to force them into turnovers in key areas. That is a tough tactic though and requires players to push themselves hard for 90 minutes - that's where the grit and determination is needed, to outfight the opposition. Yesterday Palace defended deep but broke fast and pushed themselves when we probably didn't. When Azpi got to the byline in the first-half, Torres should've been breaking his neck to get to the ball but he didn't. Then watch Costa bully the opposition, fight for every ball and make runs for 90 minutes. That's balls.Because asking an individual player to waltz through 7-8 opponents is not a tactic. This is the first time I’ve ever seen anyone refer to an individual players’ contribution as a tactic in a team sport.When faced with teams that play like Palace we’re almost always clueless. No patters of play or rehearsed moves, just Ivanovic aimlessly lumping the ball into the box ad nauseam.I can't agree with your grit/determination rhetoric. Torres is crap, we've known this for years, comparing him to one of the best strikers in world football doesn't excuse what happened yesterday. DYC., ╫rue Blue and Amblève. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only place to be 11,313 Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 Because asking an individual player to waltz through 7-8 opponents is not a tactic. This is the first time I’ve ever seen anyone refer to an individual players’ contribution as a tactic in a team sport.Teams are composed of individual contributions. Of course it's a tactic, as is asking a player to make a pass. What Hazard is asked to do is based on what his skillset allows him to.When faced with teams that play like Palace we’re almost always clueless. No patters of play or rehearsed moves, just Ivanovic aimlessly lumping the ball into the box ad nauseam.That's utter twaddle. There's clear patterns of movement and to suggest otherwise is simply an attempt to impugn the tactical nous of Jose. Breaking down teams isn't easy though. The 11 players Palace put out yesterday are all professional sportsmen with pride and desire. Expecting us just to roll them over is naive.I can't agree with your grit/determination rhetoric. Torres is crap, we've known this for years, comparing him to one of the best strikers in world football doesn't excuse what happened yesterday.You don't have to agree with it, but I'm not suggesting Torres should've done anything more than push himself to make it into the six-yard box for a ball. It's not the first time he's failed to do that and it won't be the last, but until we have someone who can do that we'll always struggle.But if you don't think that overlapping run from Azpi wasn't a designed tactic then it's probably best to just agree to disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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