The Mourinho Thread

[Styles 9,790]

We're not exactly the same, but that's football. Ozil doesn't contribute as many goals as Mata for example. I don't think Varane's price is that much of a factor. We spent more than that on Lukaku and he's out on loan after being wasted for a year. I think he's simply a good player that Mourinho hasn't let age be an encumbrance.

I actually agreed with your last point up until a a few weeks ago. I simply don't know who else is out there (realistically, so not Klopp in my opinion) that would be as good a fit for us. I've used the 'never go back' argument against him and it certainly has merit, but there's always an exception to these things. Couples do get back together and are stronger for their time apart.

But this is all dependant on Roman and Jose truly learning from their humbling experiences. Neither one is stupid so it's possible.

Not so sure about that. Look at the way Roman has run Chelsea for the last 10 years. We have underachieved immensely when you take into account the players we've had, the big coaches and money that has been spent. Look at the people he surrounds himself with on the football side. The 'football board' is an absolute joke and consists of lawyers, business men and his friends. He might not be stupid in his own private life and businesses but on the football side he has been an extremely stupid owner. Things are going from bad to worse year in year out.

Mourinho keeps getting into silly battles with his own clubs and now it seems his own players. At Chelsea the club had enough of him and what's happening at Madrid right now is alarming. Isn't that a warning sign?

What I find most depressing is that the club were gearing up for Guardiola to take charge. They wanted the club to move towards his style of play and the acquisition of new players has been in-line with that philosophy. Why not try to stick with your own plans? Guardiola isn't the only manager capable of producing high-intensity technical football. Why blow it up and go back to square one in Mourinho which is exactly what that would represent.

[The only place to be 11,313]

Not so sure about that. Look at the way Roman has run Chelsea for the last 10 years. We have underachieved immensely when you take into account the players we've had, the big coaches and money that has been spent. Look at the people he surrounds himself with on the football side. The 'football board' is an absolute joke and consists of lawyers, business men and his friends. He might not be stupid in his own private life and businesses but on the football side he has been an extremely stupid owner. Things are going from bad to worse year in year out.

I don't know if we've underachieved when you take into account what we've won compared to where we were previously. I think some of the big ticket items have been dismal (Torres, Shevchenko etc.) but you have to remember he's been learning on the job and has tried to change his ways slightly.

As for the criticism of the board, what do you expect chairmen to be? What's wrong with a lawyer or God forbid a businessman being on the board? That's what boards tend to be. Laporta was a lawyer and Rossell a businessman - just imagine how good Barca could be if they hired a guy who could do 100 keepy-uppies.

Yes there are warning signs around Jose, but that's the same with any coach. Of the managers who will be available I'm not sure if there's a better choice.

[MHL 47 378]

Is that what you think Emenalo does?

No, I think that what Emenalo primarily does is what it say on the tin i.e.http://www.chelseafc.com/chelsea-article/article/859057/title/michael-emenalo---technical-director

However there is/are people advising on transfers and targets and if it is not Emenalo, who is it? For what it's worth, the information given to me is that he's one of them.

[The only place to be 11,313]

No, I think that what Emenalo primarily does is what it say on the tin i.e.http://www.chelseafc.com/chelsea-article/article/859057/title/michael-emenalo---technical-director

However there is/are people advising on transfers and targets and if it is not Emenalo, who is it? For what it's worth, the information given to me is that he's one of them.

There are lots of people who offer advice on transfers but I'm not sure what the benefit of hiring someone like Pat Nevin to replace Emenalo is.

[Muzchap 8,966]

There are lots of people who offer advice on transfers but I'm not sure what the benefit of hiring someone like Pat Nevin to replace Emenalo is.

I'm not liking any of your posts until the voting is over - LOL

I guess what people are trying to say is that they would sacrifice Emanalo for Jose to return...

I think with FFP and Football being a Global Brand - we do need Business Savvy Board Members - that's how you beat FFP, by finding 'intelligent' ways to generate positive cash-flow... We've been good at that recently...

I guess where people draw the line (and this is an imaginary line as we simply don't know the truth of the rumours) is when the Board interfere with 'footballing' decisions... Like I say, how accurate that is - we have no way of knowing and could be a media hatchett job again...

But whatever happens - the talk of Jose is cheering me up slightly... I think he will give the youngsters a chance, we're all too quick to pigeon hole people - the acadamey when Jose was last here was poor, now it's not!

So expecting Jose to use everything he has - and out of 23 players on loan - there's a shit load to work with

I just really expect him to instil a WINNING MENTALITY into the players - he can literally turn them into WORLD BEATERS...

[Strike 7,217]

If you had asked me at the end of last season, I would have put Joachim Loew, Jurgen Klopp, Diego Simeone and Brendan Rodgers ahead of Jose because the platform was there to build a new team, a new era. Drogba had left along with third-rate players like Kalou and Bosingwa. Quality players like Hazard had been brought in. I thought a new manager with fresh ideas could build a team around Oscar-Mata-Hazard

But Now that we're shambles again, Jose is the man to pull us back up

[Stingray 9,441]

Besides they say you should never go back. I tried to get back together once with an ex-girlfriend and it was a total disaster.

So I'm in the no camp when it comes to Jose.

I bet the sex was great though. That's exactly what we need now!! More passion, more drive, more faith, more heart .... So yeah, more sex on the pitch (metaphorically speaking lol) .

Oscar, Hazard and all the other young talents can play well enough. I want a manager that gives hem a soul. That pitch. So imma gonna go yes on Mourinho :-)

[MHL 47 378]

There are lots of people who offer advice on transfers but I'm not sure what the benefit of hiring someone like Pat Nevin to replace Emenalo is.

Sometimes and especially when you are dealing with extremely talented and self-confident people - Jose for instance, you may require someone who he can communicate his requirements to and not someone who he percieves as not one of his team. Remember when Avram Grant was appointed and the comments then.

Anyway I wouldn't appoint anyone to replace Emenalo, let Jose bring in his own people to deal with scouting and let the Acadamy Manager Manage.Let them have a dual responsibilty to the First-Team Manager and a D of F, if in fact the Owner/Board want a D of F.

I'm happy to offer an opinion on Emenalo, an over-promoted networker just like the fella who brought him in the first place i.e. Grant, friendly with Grant and posed him no threat and was an extra set of ears and eyes for him. He'd be lucky to get a job at any other Premier League side, but that's just my opinion.

[Styles 9,790]

I don't know if we've underachieved when you take into account what we've won compared to where we were previously. I think some of the big ticket items have been dismal (Torres, Shevchenko etc.) but you have to remember he's been learning on the job and has tried to change his ways slightly.

As for the criticism of the board, what do you expect chairmen to be? What's wrong with a lawyer or God forbid a businessman being on the board? That's what boards tend to be. Laporta was a lawyer and Rossell a businessman - just imagine how good Barca could be if they hired a guy who could do 100 keepy-uppies.

Yes there are warning signs around Jose, but that's the same with any coach. Of the managers who will be available I'm not sure if there's a better choice.

Haha good one.

I'm surprised you can be unsure about whether we have underachieved or not. I'm almost inclined to say you of all posters here should know better. One league title in the last 7 seasons, when you take into account the money we spend on transfers and wages, is nothing short of a disaster. Look at the state of the squad and the numbers out on loan. That is the very definition of mismanagement and you can only point the finger in Roman's direction. He is after all allowing this to happen by keeping the people who create this mess and keep it going every year and instead firing managers for not being miracle workers.

Do you think if we had some football people on the board who understand the game and are knowledgeable of current events that the 50m for Torres would have been sanctioned? Ancelotti would have been reprimanded for being an idiot and warned of his future conduct.

As for Jose what you're essentially saying is that he is the best out of a bad bunch. This is our chance for things to seriously change. If Jose comes back it'll be one or two years before we find ourselves in this mess again and I'm certain of that.

[termninja 5,290]

The "Jose's Coming Home" Season is Officially Open!

http://www.weaintgotnohistory.com/2013/2/4/3949326/the-joses-coming-home-season-is-officially-open

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Personally, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Jose back where he belongs come summer, but it's far too early to say anything for sure. Firstly, and most obviously, he is still manager of Real Madrid. Though his sacking seems merely a formality at this point, it does actually have to happen for Chelsea to stand a chance of hiring him. Until that happens, or official quotes are released to that effect, there's no reason to get too excited about it. As always, quotes are essential. If a piece doesn't contain quotes, or quotes an "insider," treat it with all scepticism you can muster.

[The only place to be 11,313]

Haha good one.

I'm surprised you can be unsure about whether we have underachieved or not. I'm almost inclined to say you of all posters here should know better. One league title in the last 7 seasons, when you take into account the money we spend on transfers and wages, is nothing short of a disaster. Look at the state of the squad and the numbers out on loan. That is the very definition of mismanagement and you can only point the finger in Roman's direction. He is after all allowing this to happen by keeping the people who create this mess and keep it going every year and instead firing managers for not being miracle workers.

Do you think if we had some football people on the board who understand the game and are knowledgeable of current events that the 50m for Torres would have been sanctioned? Ancelotti would have been reprimanded for being an idiot and warned of his future conduct.

As for Jose what you're essentially saying is that he is the best out of a bad bunch. This is our chance for things to seriously change. If Jose comes back it'll be one or two years before we find ourselves in this mess again and I'm certain of that.

You forgot to mention the Champions League win as well, but one league title in that time isn't good. My opinion is that we didn't do things properly to ensure long-term success 10 years ago, but that we're making the right moves now. The number of players we've got out on loan is part of that because we need youngsters who can contribute to the first-team and this is how they get experience.

I'm not entirely sure what a football person is, but the board have many, many advisors who are 'football men'. The Torres deal looks horrendous in hindsight but at the time, it wasn't in most people's opinions. If you want to use that to bash them over the head then you should probably give them credit for the signings of Mata, Azpi, Courtois, Lukaku etc.

I'm not saying Jose's the best of a bad bunch either. He's probably the best of a decent bunch. Who would be better in your opinion?

Sometimes and especially when you are dealing with extremely talented and self-confident people - Jose for instance, you may require someone who he can communicate his requirements to and not someone who he percieves as not one of his team. Remember when Avram Grant was appointed and the comments then.

Anyway I wouldn't appoint anyone to replace Emenalo, let Jose bring in his own people to deal with scouting and let the Acadamy Manager Manage.Let them have a dual responsibilty to the First-Team Manager and a D of F, if in fact the Owner/Board want a D of F.

I'm happy to offer an opinion on Emenalo, an over-promoted networker just like the fella who brought him in the first place i.e. Grant, friendly with Grant and posed him no threat and was an extra set of ears and eyes for him. He'd be lucky to get a job at any other Premier League side, but that's just my opinion.

When you say 'let Jose bring in his own people to deal with scouting', do you mean we should get rid of the entire scouting network? Has it not done a good job in bringing in young talent? Is two Youth Cups in three years not evidence that we have good youth but struggle to implement them into the first team? Have our signings in the last 18 months not suggested we have a pretty good network?

As for letting the academy manager manage, what if he wants to play a different style to the first-team coach? Do we just let him manage or do we need someone who actually makes sure that everyone at the club is working towards the same ideas, and shouldn't that person be a long-term appointment and probably not a coach who struggles to stay at clubs for longer than 3 years?

What's your opinion of Emenalo based on? Sorry if it sounds harsh but people seem to keep bringing up 'the board' and those in between the coach and the owner, but I wonder how much of it actually has any basis in reality.

[laeth 527]

I think the boards actually done pretty well with signings and the like; bar Torres and Benayoun, I can't think of many recent poor signings. Mata (maybe not quite in the promising bracket anymore), Hazard, Courtois, Lukaku and Oscar are among the most promising youngsters going and bar signing Neymar, I don't see how they could of done any better -- and even that is debatable.

[De_ChrapQaa 192]

well, we finally need someone who will be here for more than season, and I think José is one that is capable of this...

btw. yeah OUR BOARD SUX

[AndersonBLUE 819]

Jose may not be the best manager to come in and 'build' but let's face it, no manager has given that chance before. We need someone with a blues passion for playing football and winning, none of this 'we must learn' shit from Rafa. We need to turn every player out there into fighters. Fire up Lampard and Terry to be true leaders again. Thats what this squad needs, and with Jose, Stamford Bridge will be cheering him on all the way. Our squad last season was dogshite, but we fought and fought and won the FA Cup and Champions League. We need to turn our young squad into that fighting mentality squad again. Come home Jose, come home.

[ZOS 580]

I don't mind the controversy Jose brings (the media hates Chelsea anyway). His team had a spirit but it also had a footballing philosophy which was not appreciated by all. These are thoughts I wish every one considers

Can our new players adopt to his philosophy? (though some say he's not tactically rigid and he has no problem working with what he has)

Is this what RA looking for? (It took the club 6 years to finally built a team free of his tactical influence)

Wouldn't he want new expensive signings? (remember the 'bad egg - bad omelet' talk) How will that affect the club in the long run with the FFP and all...?

[gary gordon 1,777]

I honestly can't understand anybody that would say 'no' to Jose.. The guy was fucking epic! Could you imagine how he would have handled John Terrys sex scandal?

"yeah i don't blame John, we all had the sex with her"

[Styles 9,790]

You forgot to mention the Champions League win as well, but one league title in that time isn't good. My opinion is that we didn't do things properly to ensure long-term success 10 years ago, but that we're making the right moves now. The number of players we've got out on loan is part of that because we need youngsters who can contribute to the first-team and this is how they get experience.

I'm not entirely sure what a football person is, but the board have many, many advisors who are 'football men'. The Torres deal looks horrendous in hindsight but at the time, it wasn't in most people's opinions. If you want to use that to bash them over the head then you should probably give them credit for the signings of Mata, Azpi, Courtois, Lukaku etc.

I'm not saying Jose's the best of a bad bunch either. He's probably the best of a decent bunch. Who would be better in your opinion?

The league is the true test of you good you are and how well managed the club is. We have effectively conceded the last two league titles by early winter. We are so off the pace it's shocking. The Champions League is a cup competition and not a barometer of how good you are. Anything can happen as was proven last year when we are arguably one of the worst luckiest teams to ever win the competition. We finished nearly 30 points behind the two Manchester clubs. How many young players have we had out on loan before only for them to never get a look-in? It's just we now have more of them out on loan. That doesn't indicate any sort of plan but points towards more waste of resources.

I'm not sure who is out there but I'm just saying Mourinho is a gamble and his history shows it will end in tears sooner rather than later. To expect him and Roman + his yes man to magically work well together all of a sudden doesn't take into account the trends of both. Nothing has changed both personally and professionally. Mourinho still has a massive ego and personality issues as proven by his Madrid stint and Roman is still a rash owner as proven by his last 2-3 years.

[xPetrCechx 13,563]

You are very active with fresh news, thanks mate.

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