The Mourinho Thread

[Stats 7,147]

They will not sack him. Relax and prepare to work tomorrow. He is the best for this club. Night.

I think you have to get prepared to go to work. The 9-5 shift should be enough for you to contribute the 100 euros you promised you would owe to the forum if we lost to Southampton

We are waiting on you.

[xPetrCechx 13,573]

[The Mak 4,459]

You are forgetting one important part here. Who's the boss. Mourinho right? Why is he refusing to drop those underperforming players? Why didn't he replace them with players that DO WANT to play?

You guys keep on passing the main blame to the players, but while they are pathetic, it's not their fault they are put on the pitch.

Completely missed my point altogether. I was talking about something specifically: José resigning at the simple whim of the players. The same players who stroll around like they don't care. I even addressed José as well, but whatever. I know I am being objective even though you think I'm just supporting José (if you looked at my previous posts you would know I'm far from).

My main point is that allowing players who don't want to work for a manager to call the shots is absolutely fucking insane. It regresses the entire team back years to the days of Scolari, AVB etc. when they held all the power, performing or otherwise. What is the fucking point in getting a new manager in if the players know they can just down tools whenever they want to get rid of him??

[Special Juan 28,139]

The fucking whole lot of them are to blame, the manager, the players the lot. Gutless again on the pitch on Saturday, no fucking fight what so ever, caving in when we concede and ambling around the field looking like they don't care. As for Mourinho, well were do you start? You keep constantly putting these under performing players on the field, you live by the sword and you die by it. A 7 minute rant hiding behind the so called failures of a ref when it runs much deeper than that, but his ability to talk shit and act shit is prominent right now.

I now read that RLC is being readied for Villa, you mean something that should of been done weeks ago when certain players in midfield have been shite since? All of a sudden now the shit is hitting the fan we sit up in our ivory tower and look to the kids because the old favorites aren't doing it? Should of been done weeks and weeks ago. The failure to change things is another absolute travesty- Baba Rahman, bought for big money should be shot in the fold, but no, keep things as they are, we don't want to upset individuals who are playing shite now do we?

They need to man the fuck up, so does Jose and if they had half the passion I have for Chelsea we wouldn't be talking about caring.

[xPetrCechx 13,573]

Willian on Mourinho's relationship with players: "With the players there is no problem" (Globo Esporte) #CFC

Willian: "People generally want to find a problem when the team loses but I never saw Mourinho arguing or fighting with another player" #CFC

Willian: I think it’s a bad time for all of us. Too bad, because we play for #CFC, one of the world's largest clubs & are losing many games.

Willian: "The players playing here have never gone through a situation like this, losing so many games." #CFC

Willian: "But we have everything to win again, despite our many errors" #CFC (Globo Esporte)

[The Mak 4,459]

Okay my bad. You're spot on actually. Hey, it's morning right?

Lol, fair enough!

[Pizy 18,948]

If every club the world had the same conservative point of view as yours, there would be no plance for people like Guardiola, Klopp and Simeone and...Jose Mourinho, who was considered an average Joe for everyone outside Portugal Joe 2004.

How is wanting nothing but the best conservative?

I've seen people here and other places suggesting we sack José for Unai Emery, Rudi Garcia, or Tuchel from Dortmund. Guys who have really proven nothing and have all done pretty well at clubs with expectations nowhere near what we have here. They'd all have AVB written all over them if we appointed them.

We need someone who knows how to manage a huge club with huge expectations.

[xPetrCechx 13,573]

Abramovich is understood to have stayed at the Bridge after Saturday's defeat until after midnight to meet with his board. #CFC (DailyStar)

Chelsea owner Roman Abramovich is understood to have remained at Stamford Bridge until around midnight. #CFC (Mirror)

Mourinho retains strong support at the highest level of the club (Telegraph) #CFC

Although the support is not now believed to be universal and is being severely tested by #CFC’s form and by Mourinho's behaviour (Telegraph)

There is understood to have been talks about whether Mourinho will still be able to turn things around with Chelsea. (Telegraph) #CFC

Chelsea are extremely keen to break this cycle and want Mourinho to create a dynasty at the club, introducing young players (Telegraph) #CFC

Mourinho understands that he cannot continually switch clubs and is determined to make it work again at Chelsea. (Telegraph) #CFC

Mourinho's return to #CFC was championed by among others, Marina Granovskaia Abramovich’s representative on the board & director (Telegraph)

Mourinho has been vocal publically, and behind the scenes, in his criticism of his squad and individual players. (Telegraph)

There have been dressing-downs which have been received badly by some players (Telegraph) #CFC

In fairness to Mourinho, it is a deliberate tactic to provoke response but there is a sense at #CFC he needs to find another way (Telegraph)

Chelsea also accept that Jose Mourinho is a great manager, the best of his generation. #CFC (Telegraph)

There have been rumblings from those close to Mourinho that he was ­unhappy with the club’s transfer dealings in the summer (Telegraph) #CFC

And especially [unhappy at] the club's failure to sign a com­manding young central defender such as John Stones. (Telegraph) #CFC

The suggestions are that, while furious with Chelsea’s slump, Abramovich is not planning to get rid of Mourinho for a second time (Guardian)

Abramovich spoke with #CFC officials at Stamford Bridge late into Saturday & decided, for now, the best thing is to do nothing (Guardian)

Mourinho: "I know what the player did for us in previous seasons. He [ivanovic] is in a very bad momentum." #CFC (BBC)

Mourinho: "What do I do? I trust him and keep him in the team or I change him. In this moment I am doing both [to Ivanovic]" #CFC (BBC)

Mourinho: In this moment I feel they all accept the decisions, understand the moment & that I can drop or keep them to give them confidence

Jose Mourinho held discussions with members of the Chelsea board after the Southampton game, according to Sky sources. #CFC

[borriske 330]

Man. These are borderline embarrassing comments. So Ivanovic keeps his place because he's tall and an aerial threat? Come on, José. Being more vulnerable to set pieces is a trade off I'm willing to risk if it means playing Baba and Azpi.

So.. he has five tall players to defend set pieces. He switches Iva with Baba and suddenly he has three? Is Baba this small that he counts as -1?

[Fulham Broadway 17,332]

We need action now, too many words. But to me it is way too premature to sack him.

Brendan got 18 months, Wenger's had 10 years, Jose's had 8 matches so far...

[Fulham Broadway 17,332]

This seems to allude Baba wasnt a Mourinho signing

http://www.london24.com/sport/football/clubs/chelsea/mourinho_reveals_why_he_won_t_throw_new_boy_into_chelsea_defence_against_aston_villa_1_4258556

[Pizy 18,948]

This seems to allude Baba wasnt a Mourinho signinghttp://www.london24.com/sport/football/clubs/chelsea/mourinho_reveals_why_he_won_t_throw_new_boy_into_chelsea_defence_against_aston_villa_1_4258556

I suspect that quite a few of our signings since he's been back have been board signings rather than José ones. Cuadrado, Salah, Schürrle, Djilobodji, Baba...

He likely gave the "okay" to these players but I highly doubt they're all his choices.

[xPetrCechx 13,573]

Jose Mourinho 'met Chelsea board' after Southampton defeat

Sky sources have confirmed the meeting took place after the Stamford Bridge defeat, and despite some reports suggesting Mourinho's future was on the line, it is believed discussions of this nature are not uncommon regardless of results.

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/10018768/jose-mourinho-met-chelsea-board-after-southampton-defeat

[MrExcalibur100 7,124]

Man. These are borderline embarrassing comments. So Ivanovic keeps his place because he's tall and an aerial threat? Come on, José. Being more vulnerable to set pieces is a trade off I'm willing to risk if it means playing Baba and Azpi.

Very revealing indeed. Coming from a manager of one of the biggest team in Europe, this is his mentality? Apparently, we're the only top side in the league that that suffers the ignominy of potentially defending set-pieces with midgets! Man City apparently don't have this problem! United nor Arsenal either! That apparently didn't stop both Manchester clubs from winning the league on multiple occasions in recent years.

What's funny and sad at the same time is Filipe Luis, who is 6 feet tall barely got a look in when he was here despite Ivanovic's miserable form. Filipe Luis and Azpi were barely ever played together. Now do the math.

Filipe Luis, Cahill, JT, Matic - four players over 6 feet.

Ivanovic, Cahill, JT, Matic - four players over 6 feet.

Yep, makes sense.

[ZOS 580]

Speaking of taking responsibilities, I see some of you guys are trying to put things in to perspective using numbers.. let me try this too

• Post Season Matches + Late start to the summer.. (Jose - 60%, Board - 40%, Players - 0%)........................... (15% of the total problem)
• Lack of Summer transfer activity............................ (Jose - 0%, Board - 100%, Players 0%)...............................(30% of the total problem)
• Selling Luis............................................................ (Jose - 100%, Board - 0%, Players 0%)................................(5% of the total problem)
• Eva Caraneiro....................................................... (Jose - 80%, Board - 10%, Players 0%, Eva - 10%)..............(5% of the total problem)
• Lack of motivation...................................................(Jose - 30%, Board - 10%, Players- 60 0%)...........................(10% of the total problem)
• Lack of rotation.......................................................(Jose -100%, Board - 0%, Players 0%)..................................(15% of the total problem)
• Lack of tactical flexibility......................................... (Jose - 100%, Board - 0%, Players 0%).................................(20% of the total problem)

overall,

• Jose ....... 56%
• Players ... 6%
• Board ......38%

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It would be fine to keep playing Ivanovic as long as we saw some improvement. There is no point forcing it to work because he is getting worse game by game now. I prefer to play Baba and defend better at open play chances rather than set pieces which btw i am not so sure about the "shorter player = more risk" thing Jose says.

[Viper22 2,418]

Speaking of taking responsibilities, I see some of you guys are trying to put things in to perspective using numbers.. let me try this too

• Post Season Matches + Late start to the summer.. (Jose - 60%, Board - 40%, Players - 0%)........................... (15% of the total problem)
• Lack of Summer transfer activity............................ (Jose - 0%, Board - 100%, Players 0%)...............................(30% of the total problem)
• Selling Luis............................................................ (Jose - 100%, Board - 0%, Players 0%)................................(5% of the total problem)
• Eva Caraneiro....................................................... (Jose - 80%, Board - 10%, Players 0%, Eva - 10%)..............(5% of the total problem)
• Lack of motivation...................................................(Jose - 30%, Board - 10%, Players- 60 0%)...........................(10% of the total problem)
• Lack of rotation.......................................................(Jose -100%, Board - 0%, Players 0%)..................................(15% of the total problem)
• Lack of tactical flexibility......................................... (Jose - 100%, Board - 0%, Players 0%).................................(20% of the total problem)

overall,

• Jose ....... 56%
• Players ... 6%
• Board ......38%

How were the post season matches anything to do with Jose? That was a money making exercise 100% and was completely down to the higher ups at our club. If Mourinho could have a say i'm sure like any other manager he'd rather have let the players have an extra 2 weeks rest than a pointless tour that does no good.

[Blue Colored Sky 1,807]

"I'm giving attention to all details"

OMG, kick him out ASAP. What a miserable, fucking liar. How you can have respect for liar ?

[Viper22 2,418]

He's still the best manager around ATM so I think it would be a little silly to sack him.

Klopp is only proven at 1 club (and had one hell of an awful final season) and is just as mental as Mourinho, he'll be the media plaything for their precious soundbites just as much.

Ancelotti has already been here once and while he is proven around the world he's shown at all of the clubs that he struggles at formulating plan B's and reverts to awful negative football when under pressure (remember our 2nd season under him?).

Simeone has also only managed at one club and while he looks good for the future it would be a bit of a risk to take the gamble on him. He's also as much of a hothead as Mourinho.

Who else is out there and actually gettable? Pep looks like his talent lies with taking over already successful clubs, winning a few trophies and butchering the teams balance over 2/3 years. De Boer?

I just don't think we should jump the gun and sack him just yet. He's looked frankly clueless at times (especially Saturday with the whole Willian, Ivanovic and Matic bullshit) but I still hope that he can turn it around himself and stay at the club for a long while.

Thing is though, he HAS to drop Fabregas and Ivanovic for RLC and Baba respectively now. It HAS to happen. If it doesn't then he's playing with fire and if he does get sacked he'd have no-one to blame but himself and his raging hard on for big Serbs with rounded arses.

[Fulham Broadway 17,332]

The club/board only gave him Begovic after selling Cech . They let him have Falcao on loan until after the disaster at Man city, aswell as shipping out or losing Drogba, Luis, Salah etc. Say what you want about their abilities but they were squad players and we had a small squad already before letting them depart.

The club failed to back Jose in the summer and now we are suffering because of it.

That said, I think Jose has to take some responsibility, but not all of it. Like he said we all (the club) need to take responsibility.

Look what happened last year when they listened to him and he got his players in and did their business early. Bottom line hes one of the top 3 managers in the World. I can see a big January panic coming. Similar to torres/Luiz a few years back.