Roman Abramovich Thread

[Chelseapony 76]

Interesting article on Roman Abramovich and Boris Berezovsky feud in Vanity Fair magazine.

[Tomo 21,751]

Im going to go on a bit of an out of character rant here because tbh i am sickened by some of the stuff i have read about Roman these past 48 hours.

Now do i agree with his decision to sack Roberto Di Matteo? no, but some of the knee jerk reaction's dearie me, didn't we learn from the AVB sacking when we hastily stripped Lampard of his legend's tag, only to back track a couple of months later and realize he wasn't as guilty as we thought.

Roman is a Chelsea fan like we are, if i was the owner i would probably do things that would have some of you tearing your hair out, we would do what we think is best for the club as a whole and Roman is doing that.

We seem to want managerial stability, this is not the ancient times any more it just doesn't happen in football these days, Ferguson is a complete one off as soon as he is gone United will join the growing club or chopping and changing managers, it's the way football works these days (rightly or wrongly) and by in large it get's result's. Roman is not this evil owner who changes manager's for the sake of it, it's just the way modern football works just we for some reason seem to be scapegoated for it. Roman's method's get's result's, period.

Our stability is Roman, and believe me id rather change managers and have a dedicated owner than vice versa.

Below are the stats of most top European clubs (and Tottenham) and how many times they have changed manager since Roman's takeover at Chelsea.

Chelsea: 8

Bayern Munich: 7

Real Madrid: 10

Inter Milan: 9

Ajax: 7

FC Porto: 8

Tottenham: 6

Now if you ask the two English clubs who are in a better position now compared to 10 years ago most will say (after City) Chelsea and Spurs, surprise, surprise the two serial manager changing clubs off the last decade, but what both clubs have is stability upstairs, which is much more important.

So can someone explain why are we the 'joke' and the 'poison chalice for managers' when their is more than 1 other club around just as bad when it comes to chopping and changing ill never know.

Constant managerial changes are the norm in most football clubs on this planet these days, not just Chelsea, Ferguson is a one off, we need to get the idea of us finding our version out of our head right now.

We might if were lucky find a manger who will stick around for 3-5 years but another Fergie? as much chance as a lottery win so best never get too comfortable with a manager, because the days of managerial changes here and abroad are not going away, so best get use to it.

[Henrique 9,133]

I have to say there is a bad atmosphere. Sacking RDM, and now the racism thing. Its just depressing, months after winning the PL, perhaps the worst week in recent years. Thats chaos. Its really sad when you open the sites and Chelsea is everywhere, but its not about football, its about how the owner is mad, about how the Chelsea almost destroyed a poor referees life. I dont like this, I hope we just win against City and then we stop talking about this kind of thing.

I really feel sorry for RDM, but imo he is the reason we have so many problems right now. RDM never had the same power the previous managers had, the board never saw him as the right man. He was given the job because no other top manager would aceept this job when the world knows the club is waiting for Guardiola. Even AVB had more power, lets remember that he told Alex and Anelka to leave during the season.

We were left with a small squad, full of weakness, this board is doing a really stupid job when they keep buying players like De Bruyne, Lukaku, Marin and Aziplicueta. A club like Chelsea needs a manager like Guardiola, Mourinho, Hiddink...or Benitez. RDM was not ready yet. Working in a club like Chelsea means the manager has to build a relationship with the people that have the power, you need to be a politician.

There is a lot more in RDM sacking than just a couple of bad results.

[Shane 2,275]

The sacking of RDM makes no sense. We're third in the league ffs, not seventh. We would easily make Champions League next season, no need to treat him like shit and bring in a scouse cunt that fans stated they didn't want last season, and this before he was appointed.

If he is a fan like us then he should see how much we didn't want Rafa before appointing him. Brought the bashing among himself.

Chelsea F.C has no soul anymore. Laughing stock of world football.

[TorontoChelsea 4,064]

Managerial stability certainly still happens. Barcelona had 2 managers for about a decade. Bayern has had 4 different full-time managers in the last 15 years. Klopp has been at Dortmund for years. Arsenal, ManU, Everton, and many other English teams have had a lot of stability. It's not just about sticking with a guy forever, it's about having reasonable expectations, giving the coach some breathing room, and not going crazy after every game where we drop points. We're actually having a batter season than anyone should have hoped for. We were 6th last season and we're third now and alive in all competitions. How does that deserve a sacking? Especially when you're just hiring another temporary manager in his place. It just doesn't make sense. It's clear that Roman never wanted to hire RDM, in which case he shouldn't have. To treat anyone like that, never mind a Chelsea legend, is an absolute joke.

[didierforever 7,349]

"managerial longevity does not exist anymore" so we should sack managers if they lose 2 consecutive matches? on what grounds did he make this decision, that we were 3rd in the league, playing the best football we have had in a long time or that rdm made us win the ucl... u can defend roman all you want but his decision stinks and can never be made right.

[Fulham Broadway 17,299]

I have been going to SB and away for over 40 years. There is no doubt Abramovich has brought success to the club so the question you have to ask is whether you would forfeit all the trophies for a less autocratic rule ?. What you have to remember is that it's a capitalist World , and that includes football.

The sport represents and reinforces capitalism's relations of labour and production. We find a hierarchy of coaches, trainers, assistants, directors and owners. Players are given monetary values and then bought and sold.

Capitalism promotes the idea that return on investment must be made as quickly as possible and so footballers rather than being nurtured and cultivated are being bought and sold as mere commodities across the globe. This includes managers where Roman has enough spare cash to buy out contracts.This concept also applies to football clubs, and ownership has passed around without discrimination, from exiled and corrupt billionaires to debt-ridden American businessmen, the Premiership has already bankrupted more than a few football clubs with the promise of more to keep financial administrators busy.

With this set up the fans are an afterthought, so know your place. But forums are a good place to moan.

[NishC300 1,865]

(http://www.diminbeirut.typepad.com) FFS FERGUSON'S ONLY THERE because HE'S LIKE A POLITCIAN! UTD use his as a tool to remain powerful in England (Suarez, Viera). UTD is the most corrupt organisation in football!!!! Fergie is like an MP in the UK!!! Look at them David Gill and that bastard Mike Riley all fucking cunts!!! Fergie is there to make them more strong politically!! THAT IS ALL DAMN IT!!! FFS look at UTD play they never dominate a game! THey are always lucky!!! They just score randomn goals they concede less goals than they deserve!!! ALL A BUNCH OF BASTARDS!!!! FERGIE IS THERE FOR CORRUPTION!!

SO STOP BLOODY TALKING ABOUT FERGUSON!!! TALK ABOUT MOYES AND WENGER!!!

[RamiCFC9 258]

In the end : who's done more for Chelsea ? Roman or Robbie ? Ahaha pretty obvious.Iam actually dissapointed RDM wasn't long enough here for all people to see how massively out of depth was he.

[KonohasOrangeFlash 2,607]

Seriously, I'm getting tired of the Circle Jerk over stability. Look at Madrid. They have the same model as us (although ours is more drastic) and it has worked for both of us. So get over it.

[bluephoenix 1,131]

I have been going to SB and away for over 40 years. There is no doubt Abramovich has brought success to the club so the question you have to ask is whether you would forfeit all the trophies for a less autocratic rule ?. What you have to remember is that it's a capitalist World , and that includes football.

The sport represents and reinforces capitalism's relations of labour and production. We find a hierarchy of coaches, trainers, assistants, directors and owners. Players are given monetary values and then bought and sold.

Capitalism promotes the idea that return on investment must be made as quickly as possible and so footballers rather than being nurtured and cultivated are being bought and sold as mere commodities across the globe. This includes managers where Roman has enough spare cash to buy out contracts.This concept also applies to football clubs, and ownership has passed around without discrimination, from exiled and corrupt billionaires to debt-ridden American businessmen, the Premiership has already bankrupted more than a few football clubs with the promise of more to keep financial administrators busy.

With this set up the fans are an afterthought, so know your place. But forums are a good place to moan.

we have bought some big names and might buy some more in the jan transfer window... Roman has to think from a fan, owner, business man perspective and its not all easy.

The best thing is to always stick with the club... this has been stated umpteen number of times... and don't know how many more times its going to be said...

No one wants/wanted Rafael Benitez but he is the manager now... get over it ... just stay positive and support the lads in blue

cheers...

i think its getting pointless checking new threads... its like a branch of a master "Why Rafael Benitez"

I sincerely hope we win against City so that people focus less on Benitez and Roman

[Fulham Broadway 17,299]

The best thing is to always stick with the club... this has been stated umpteen number of times... and don't know how many more times its going to be said...

No one wants/wanted Rafael Benitez but he is the manager now... get over it ... just stay positive and support the lads in blue

cheers...

This is the nub of the matter. The clubs, owners, take the fans for granted -yet they would be nothing without mugs like us splashing the cash to go to games. People align themselves to a 'brand' and the owners invest because they know fans are 4 times more likely to get divorced than switch clubs/brands.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

The reaction was inevitable. The same kind of emotions that drove RA to sack RDM are causing all the hate towards him. It's just a matter of time before everyone settles down again and accepts Roman's decisions and Rafa's presence for that matter.

I do however think that Roman does need to be in sync with the fans more. And I do believe that the question of whether you would prefer RA and all the money and the trophies or the club being closer to the fans is a completely viable one.

[The only place to be 11,313]

Managerial stability certainly still happens. Barcelona had 2 managers for about a decade. Bayern has had 4 different full-time managers in the last 15 years. Klopp has been at Dortmund for years. Arsenal, ManU, Everton, and many other English teams have had a lot of stability. It's not just about sticking with a guy forever, it's about having reasonable expectations, giving the coach some breathing room, and not going crazy after every game where we drop points. We're actually having a batter season than anyone should have hoped for. We were 6th last season and we're third now and alive in all competitions. How does that deserve a sacking? Especially when you're just hiring another temporary manager in his place. It just doesn't make sense. It's clear that Roman never wanted to hire RDM, in which case he shouldn't have. To treat anyone like that, never mind a Chelsea legend, is an absolute joke.

Before Rijkaard, Barca had 6 managers between May 2000 and June 2003.

Before Klopp, Dortmund had 4 managers between June 2004 and May 2008.

Arsenal have stuck with Wenger for 7 years and won fuck all. Their fans have seen them sell their best players in each of the last two seasons whilst paying more each year for the privilege Six months ago our owner gave us one of the greatest nights of our lives.

Managerial stability exists, but you have to find the right manager first. Roman has tried to replace Mourinho but hasn't found the right guy, yet he's won Leagues, Cups and The Big One in the meantime.

It's easy to forget how hard it is to find the right manager for your club, and you can't simply give someone time if you think they're the wrong guy. Each managerial change makes sense in it's own way, including this one. What we need to understand is that Roman has the best interests of the club at heart (don't forget that he's a fan) and he wants Pep Guardiola to come in and build something special. HE will be the one who gets the time to build something because he's earned a level of trust.

And Roman and the board understand how the fans feel about Rafa Benitez. They aren't in a bunker or an ivory tower. But they recognise that of the available managers, he offered the most. That may well include a relationship with Torres, but he is still a £50 million investment that the club feels it has to maximise the value of, be it in contribution to the club or in a transfer fee in the summer.

[nachikethas 1,154]

i have no doubt we will win something every season no matter who coach us.and our old guards play really a big role for that all thanks to special one who made them. But now we have to be bit careful because we have a lot of yougplayers who haven't faced these kind of situation. We need an experienced coach for that but again sacking rdm is most the painful of all.

talking about the joke and all media situation i have only one word PREMIER LEAGUE. No league in the world gets more meda attention than PL. Even the local newspaper in my home town was making joke of roman which i couldn't believe.no one pays attention to other clubs managerial changes in other leagues

but more im concerned is the whole racism issues and other stupid respons from ower board and fans. Making stupid allegations against referee Not giving support for sturidge and giving plenty for that shit torres is not joke its disgusting.hope everything gets over someday and we properly debate about football.

So here is for a better dawn.