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4 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

Even before Lampard though people said the same under Sarri re Rudiger and Christensen (particularly Andreas).

It just shows though, someone who is able to restore the confidence of someone and coach them in a way Frank couldn’t was all the difference.

Theres also no doubt some of Christensen’s games under Sarri, as little as they were compared to what people might think, weren’t always as bad as mentioned. Some were but some weren’t, playing such a key position, such as CB and not playing regularly is always going to be a struggle. 

all that is fine, but Lampard was still a shit defensive manager

this season 100% proved it 

he has a long way to go to get up to an elite manager level

insanely great player, one of the 10 greatest AMF's in football history

maybe top 5

but not impressed with him as a manager

he served his purpose for us by giving the youth a chance

for that I am grateful

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There is no chance the club and TT will allow Rudi and Chris leave.....no chance. They will be more than happy to sign again but after the Euro's.

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8 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Never thought Dortmund would accept it, just something to see where we stand. I'm personally under the assumption/belief Dortmund would want Tammy over Silva. 

Don’t know about that. I mean Andre Silva has pretty good pedigree and people forget that seeing as he had that quick break through at Porto then struggled/didn’t play at Milan. He is a fully fledged Portuguese international (39 games 16 goals for them) and has scored 56 goals in his last 3 seasons in Germany and Spain.

His all round game is much better than Tammy’s also and I think that for 35m he would be a logical buy for Dortmund if they sell Haaland (or even if they don’t this season maybe next season?), they will know much more about him seeing as he has been playing in Germany for 2 seasons now at a team thats been rivalling them for European places. 

Tammy is a decent player but he’s not at the same level I don’t think. Fair that Silva has been playing regularly this season and Tammy hasn’t, although Tammy still got 12 or 13 goals this season in limited games. Still, I don’t think Dortmund will be that keen on him. They have also said they would prefer cash upfront no exchanges also. 

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3 minutes ago, ZAPHOD2319 said:

 

Carlo can fuck off if true 😄 Werner definitely deserves at least one more season.

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18 hours ago, DDA said:

Maybe it's time to give Billy Gilmour a serious look in to the first team. 🤷‍♂️

But he's more of a replacement for Jorgi and it's Kovacic who I want ousted from the side first.

Jorgi has his flaws but I can at least see what he does for team. I am completely blind to what Kovacic is supposed to bring. The absolute definition of a nothing kind of footballer.

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52 minutes ago, Jas said:

What makes you have that assumption/belief? 

 

36 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

 

Don’t know about that. I mean Andre Silva has pretty good pedigree and people forget that seeing as he had that quick break through at Porto then struggled/didn’t play at Milan. He is a fully fledged Portuguese international (39 games 16 goals for them) and has scored 56 goals in his last 3 seasons in Germany and Spain.

His all round game is much better than Tammy’s also and I think that for 35m he would be a logical buy for Dortmund if they sell Haaland (or even if they don’t this season maybe next season?), they will know much more about him seeing as he has been playing in Germany for 2 seasons now at a team thats been rivalling them for European places. 

Tammy is a decent player but he’s not at the same level I don’t think. Fair that Silva has been playing regularly this season and Tammy hasn’t, although Tammy still got 12 or 13 goals this season in limited games. Still, I don’t think Dortmund will be that keen on him. They have also said they would prefer cash upfront no exchanges also. 

I think the Bundesliga is a difficult league to judge players on. Even Batshuayi managed to look quality. Far as I'm concerned, most Bundesliga fans don't rate Andre Silva. (penalty merchant as well)

Tammy has proven himself in arguably the most difficult league in the world. People tend to criticise his overall game, but at Dortmund he would be at the focal point of so many creative outlets. You just have to look at Haaland's metrics and see how little involved he needs to be in the build up. I've always been adamant that when you have Tammy in front of goal, he will likely find the ball in the back of the net. He can only get better and on a team like Dortmund, in a league that provides so much space for attackers, I think he would absolutely flourish. Far more than Silva. 

Personal opinion obviously. 

 

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24 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

I think the Bundesliga is a difficult league to judge players on. Even Batshuayi managed to look quality. Far as I'm concerned, most Bundesliga fans don't rate Andre Silva. (penalty merchant as well)

Tammy has proven himself in arguably the most difficult league in the world. People tend to criticise his overall game, but at Dortmund he would be at the focal point of so many creative outlets. You just have to look at Haaland's metrics and see how little involved he needs to be in the build up. I've always been adamant that when you have Tammy in front of goal, he will likely find the ball in the back of the net. He can only get better and on a team like Dortmund, in a league that provides so much space for attackers, I think he would absolutely flourish. Far more than Silva. 

Personal opinion obviously. 

I don't necessarily disagree with your reasoning but it's no guarantee Abraham will be successful there. I mean for example, Immobile went to Dortmund and couldn't hack it in the Bundesliga but was/is prolific in Serie A. Even though Abraham may know where the goal is, his overall game can leave a lot to be desired. It's arguably the reason why Tuchel has not fancied him and it's probably not lost on Dortmund either. Plus financially, it also doesn't make sense for them as mentioned earlier.

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1 hour ago, ZAPHOD2319 said:

 

Fichajes is a shit source...

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On 10/06/2021 at 21:11, DDA said:

Talks now of us in negotiations with Lutauro Martinez agent

We're signing agents now? 🙂

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5 hours ago, chippy said:

 I am completely blind to what Kovacic is supposed to bring. The absolute definition of a nothing kind of footballer.

 

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5 hours ago, Jas said:

I don't necessarily disagree with your reasoning but it's no guarantee Abraham will be successful there. I mean for example, Immobile went to Dortmund and couldn't hack it in the Bundesliga but was/is prolific in Serie A. Even though Abraham may know where the goal is, his overall game can leave a lot to be desired. It's arguably the reason why Tuchel has not fancied him and it's probably not lost on Dortmund either. Plus financially, it also doesn't make sense for them as mentioned earlier.

I'm rather surprised Michy hasn't been mentioned at all. I guess a positive Euros might change that.

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6 hours ago, ZAPHOD2319 said:

 

Love how people still throw Real's name about as if they're not broke. 

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13 hours ago, Jas said:

I don't necessarily disagree with your reasoning but it's no guarantee Abraham will be successful there. I mean for example, Immobile went to Dortmund and couldn't hack it in the Bundesliga but was/is prolific in Serie A. Even though Abraham may know where the goal is, his overall game can leave a lot to be desired. It's arguably the reason why Tuchel has not fancied him and it's probably not lost on Dortmund either. Plus financially, it also doesn't make sense for them as mentioned earlier.

Tammy is always going to look like Bambi on ice, but he still scores enough goals to be a decent enough 3rd choice forward for us. TT has treated him as badly as Lamps treated Rudi.

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31 minutes ago, chippy said:

Tammy is always going to look like Bambi on ice, but he still scores enough goals to be a decent enough 3rd choice forward for us. TT has treated him as badly as Lamps treated Rudi.

The ironic thing with Rudiger is most of us were glad that Lampard wanted to push him out and sell him last summer but now want him to stay because of his turnaround under Tuchel. Could point to Lampard being a bad coach/Tuchel being a good coach etc but yeah, hindsight is 20/20 and all that. 

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1 hour ago, Jas said:

The ironic thing with Rudiger is most of us were glad that Lampard wanted to push him out and sell him last summer but now want him to stay because of his turnaround under Tuchel. Could point to Lampard being a bad coach/Tuchel being a good coach etc but yeah, hindsight is 20/20 and all that. 

Could also point to Rüdiger having used the time on the bench to get his shit together,  do some analysis of his play and improve in training. It is easy to point fingers at other but after all the stupid individual not tactical errors Toni committed in 2019/20 even the worst coach in the world would have rightly sat im on the Bench.

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How about a Rudiger Varane swap...we and real madrid both wouldnt want to lose our best cb for free next year 😛

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2 hours ago, Jas said:

The ironic thing with Rudiger is most of us were glad that Lampard wanted to push him out and sell him last summer but now want him to stay because of his turnaround under Tuchel. Could point to Lampard being a bad coach/Tuchel being a good coach etc but yeah, hindsight is 20/20 and all that. 

It was instant transformation under TT. From looking completely shot to playing better than ever.

It shows just how important man management can be at the top level. Some players need a bollocking while others need an arm around the shoulder. Love to know what TT did to get Rudi playing so well so quickly?

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3 hours ago, Magic Lamps said:

Could also point to Rüdiger having used the time on the bench to get his shit together,  do some analysis of his play and improve in training. It is easy to point fingers at other but after all the stupid individual not tactical errors Toni committed in 2019/20 even the worst coach in the world would have rightly sat im on the Bench.

Yes, we can point to individual mistakes but at the same time, Lampard's carefree tactical approach didn't help matters. Players' shortcomings were left exposed on a weekly basis and they eventually lost confidence, especially when results started to go south and that spiraled out of control. Tuchel came in, implemented a solid system with clear tactical instructions and one that hides the players' shortcoming as much as possible and lets them shine with their strengths. He has also got more out of them mentally and emotionally as well. 

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3 hours ago, Magic Lamps said:

but after all the stupid individual not tactical errors Toni committed in 2019/20 even the worst coach in the world would have rightly sat im on the Bench.

Pretty sure others did more. Rudiger and Zouma as CB pairing last season kept clean sheet everytime except one game (Lille - we still won that game). This continued this season with Frank. But he played them so rarely.